I hope that Presto (in Ontario, Canada) will join in on this. It'd be two fewer cards I would have to travel with.
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Apple Pay for Transit: Now Accepted in Singapore, NYC Testing Soon, Chicago and Portland to Integrate Fare Cards
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Sort of. Since most everyone had a landline, telephone credit cards were very common. Why would anyone want a stored value card rather than a phone card that just added the call to one’s existing account?
We had something like that in Mexico too, but the card had a chip on it just like the prepaid ones and could be used by simply inserting into the payphone instead of dialing a whole bunch of numbers while listening to an automated menu. Plus, when credit and debit cards started coming with a chip on them (long before in the US), on some of those payphone you could insert a credit or debit card and have the call billed to the card.
We're much smaller but Louisville, KY just added NFC readers to all of our busses on TARC (Transit Authority of River City) and It'd be a great small place to try it out... I'd love to ditch my tap-and-go TARC card and just be able to ping my watch.
No, never used those machines in NY. I assumed you had to swipe it through a machine, but if you are just holding it by the machine, I could see that it would be as fast as Apple Pay. I have used Apple Pay with newer machines and it is actually too fast and as soon as I bring the phone up to reader it gives the distinctive beep. It's too fast since sometimes I want to change the card I am paying with but it does it instantly.
If you don't use the subway in NYC then, respectfully, you really don't know what you're comparing Apple Pay to.
how long does it take to buy a metrocard?
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also, nobody.. literally nobody.. swipes 100%..
anybody that tries to swipe without breaking stride will get stuck eventually..
you go through when you know the thing is going to turn..
i'm not saying bodies come to complete stops but the strides do break.
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I’ve been to Japan twice last year and I love Suica integration with the iPhone. Being a transport card makes not needing to authenticate ideal to use in the subway and the fact that is now accepted in almost every major city is great. And not to forget its accepted in Convenience Stores, vending machines...
If you have it set up as an Express Transit Card, can you also use it in shops without using FaceID?
I don't think you read beyond my first sentence. I can go on your description. When people use the term slide, that generally means they take their card out and slide it through a reader. If that's the case, then since that type of set up is commonplace, I know that using my Apple Watch or iPhone is both less friction and faster. If instead, you simply have to wave your card in front of reader as you walk by, then that is probably as fast as moving an iPhone or Apple Watch in front of the reader, though not as frictionless, especially when compared with an Apple Watch.
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I don't want NFC security on the iPhone compromised so I wouldn't like this to happen, but how do we add items to list that the Omniscient and Omnipotent elites will force companies to do? Because I'd like to put black AirPods on that list. And bring back the Airport. And I want a Homepod mini. And $4.99 is a much better price for my liking for the Apple News Plus. If they can do this by this summer, that would be great, and then I will add more.
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There's just 1 card for the whole country I live in, guess the states is way behind, as many other countries.
Forcing NFC to be open is totally different than the examples you gave.
You could opt not to use it if you are concerned about security.
Can't say much more, getting political.
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Security doesn’t have to be compromised. Apple Pay payment information stored in the secure enclave need not be accessible to third parties, just the nfc transmitter needs to be open so other banking, store or transit apps can use it to transmit/receive their own payment information. On android devices, for instance, even the end user is allowed to have control over the nfc transmitter via an on/off toggle switch within the phone settings.
This is exactly why I said I am hoping for a more DIRECT INITIALIZATION of NFC that BYPASSES double clicking the power button when trying to activate a transit gate or transit card reader.
Reason being, if you double click power without opening the transit card in wallet first, your preferred Apple payment credit/debit card is going to pop up on screen.
It’s the same as, say, a Walgreens Rewards card. Open Wallet, pick Walgreens card, and NFC the card to the reader to activate before you pay. Then you have to use Apple Pay to pay. Convenient, but still could be more streamlined if NFC would be able to identify the store you are at and let you automatically activate your rewards card without even unlocking your phone.
Bottom line, it would be superb if the iPhone could work exactly as an RF chip card does when you use public transit.
And yes, I have thought the steps through for this. Thanks.
So at what point would the FaceID authentication step that you said you wanted happen?
I remember Presto saying at one point they will support tap on / Tap off with iPhone. But nothing since. Let’s hope they do soon!
LOL. NFC doesn't work that way. Any modification to who can access it, potentially compromised the entire platform and your phone. It would be great if security issues could be limited to choosing to use a particular card, but that's not how the technology works. This is why it needs to be up to Apple to decide what is secure, and keep the government out of it.
Freedom works. If you don't like the level of security, openness Apple builds into its products, or the color of the AirPods, price of subscription services, they offer, etc., don't buy an Apple product. Ditto for every other company. I wish Tesla would allow Apple's Car Play, but if I buy one, I shouldn't shout that it's not fair and ask the government to force them to do it.
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Then buy an Android phone. The rest of us don't want the security and privacy mess of Android. With millions of NFC readers abounding, you are supposed to be checking your phone and toggling a control on and off as to which ones you want to have access to your phone????? LOL.
Most of the mega banks in Australia that denied their customers access to Apple Pay, tried to use their government to force Apple to grant them access to the iPhone platform, "just to modify the NFC process." Apple refused to compromise the security of their entire platform just to appease these folks and fortunately the government agreed with Apple. Note also, Apple didn't run to the Australian government and demand that the banks be forced to accept Apple Pay. No, Apple is letting the free market decide and as customer demand has increased, there are only a couple of holdouts in Australia.
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What use would removing the double click be if you still have to look at the phone to authenticate the payment?
You absolutely *need* to do that before swiping in to any transit system unless you want to walk around like the Hunchback of Notre Dame or look like you’re sniffing the person in front of you’s ass (considering the height of readers).
London is different. They stop charging _long before_ you reach the price of a day pass. Looks like they don't want you to have any physical purchases. And a weekly pass is more than 6 times the daily limit, so even if you work full time five days a week _and_ go to London one day of the weekend, a weekly pass isn't worth it.
It's not, there's no authenticating a card when you swipe through. You pull it out and swipe through. Having to wait a second for your phone to authenticate your fingerprint is slower, it just is.
When I am going to use my iPhone at an NFC reader, the authentication takes place as I am bringing the phone to the reader, so there shouldn't be any delay at all. Certainly, no longer than it takes to swipe a card through. However, that point is moot since Apple came out last year with Express mode to make iPhones and Apple Watches work seamlessly with NFC readers without pass code, Touch ID or Face ID.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying: the "slide" you do with a metrocard isn't even remotely the same as with a credit card. It's a faster movement, and the response beep totally instantaneous. Like, by the time your wrist has moved the card through the slot, in well under a second, it's beeped in response and the turnstile is unlocked. I use Apple Pay too, daily. It's fast, but I'm telling you, the response with a metrocard swipe is faster still.