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Because I totally make buying decisions based on whether the store offers Apple Pay..
I see the humor in your statement, but on a serious note... I have forgotten my wallet at home before and stopped for gas somewhere I knew I could use Apple Pay. :)
 
I had no idea! I'm actually surprised to learn this.

Yep, I look forward to visiting family in Canada -- where I really can walk out the door without cards, have a night out, and pay for everything with my phone or watch with no problem. In the U.S., I couldn't confidently leave the house without plastic unless I planned ahead and knew I was only going to a select few retailers I frequent that accept contactless payments.
 
Finally, I was in NYC last year and I was really surprised at what a cash carrying society it was there, where the default by far seemed to be payment in cash.

Merchant fees in the US are much higher than elsewhere, so it's no surprise that cash is preferred for smaller purchases. In fact, many places will charge you extra for card use or outright not let you use one if it's under a certain amount (usually $5-10).

This is also a big part of why contactless support has been slow to roll out, IMO. Having it would make it so that cards are used more, which would cost the store more money. Visa/MC should just bite the bullet and offer, say, a 50% discount on interchange for NFC transactions.

Not true. Apple has to work out terms with each retailer to accept their service, obviously. Tons of places take Android/Samsung Pay and not Apple Pay.

Samsung Pay has the magstripe emulation feature, which lets it be used in places without NFC. That's probably why it looks like places don't support Apple Pay but support others. (For comparison, Google Pay is also NFC only and will work. only at places with NFC enabled.)
 
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Too bad Apple can't figure out a way to create a bridge for payments for companies like Walmart. That way you could use Apple Pay at any retailer.

That's just the business aspects. Walmart are pigs.
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Many 7-Elevens, at least around here, haven't done any pump upgrades yet. And the one that I found with newer looking pumps had no external contactless readers. YMMV though.

ARCO stations in California now take Apple Pay. Yay!
 
I'm surprised men put their wallets in their back pockets today. In that position, it's uncomfortable when sitting and can cause back problems.
Several times over the past 20 years I have forgotten to pick up my wallet before leaving the house. I don't plan on being pulled over because I am not driving in a manner that would get me stopped by the po-po. No person has asked for my ID in years.
It is way past time for health information to be stored on chips so that one does not have to fill out pages of personal health history every time he goes to a different doctor or hospital or specialist.

Sorry, had to LOL about not planning to be pulled over. No one plans on that. :) I witnessed an accident and I (among others) pulled over to help them and the officer who arrived on the scene asked for licenses to keep track of witnesses. If you ever buy alcoholic beverages, you need an ID.
 
Do my eyes deceive me, or this actually an article about Apple Pay that isn't a list of 50 more banks that have been added?
 
If you go to Arco, can you pay with a CC in AP or does it still only work with debit cards? The only reason I don't ever go to Arco is their policy to not take credit cards...

Yes, unfortunately I believe they’re still limited to debit cards. At least where I’ve been. But at least with Apple Pay, it’s reasonably secure.
 
Seriously? Tap is pretty common in Canada, and I thought that if anything we were behind you guys.
Heh, nope. We’re only just *now* getting chip cards. Mind you, *not* chip and PIN. Just chip. Retailers here fight even the chip readers, let alone the tap terminals.
 
Great, now I can go up to the warming machine that hasn't been cleaned this millennium, select the one taquito that's been in there for at least two weeks, and use my watch to pay for it. Wonderful.

Also, can we stop with the "I can't believe the US is so slow. In country X it's so much better," posts? Look, we get it. But we go through the same thing every single time a new vendor announces Apple Pay support. Don't believe me? Go have a look at the Costco story from a few weeks ago.
Even after Visa and Mastercard announced that signatures were no longer required when a purchase was made with their cards, some stores just have not gotten the message. They really get mad when a customer doesn't sign. Must be very poor communication.
I know of stores that just recently switched BACK to requiring a signature. Apparently as soon as they stopped requiring them they got a ton of people coming in trying to dispute charges. Most of the time their kids stole the card and racked up a bunch of crap. The stores found the argument ended a lot faster when they could show a signed receipt when mommy came complaining.
 
Walmart is pretty much the only place I can't use it in Canada. They want that tracking data.

Most chain stores I frequent have loyalty programs that have actual rewards and discounts. That's a more direct and open way to get tracking data-- pay the consumer for it.
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And if your phone runs out of juice, do you stay hungry? Probably a better option than fast food anyways.

By 2118, humans will have cybernetic implants, and will plug in rather than eating actual food. The Apple Watch and iPhones are the first step down that path. Fair warning!
 
Hmmm...sarcasm or honesty? I think former. :) If so, I agree. It's just as easy to grab a CC and do the transaction that way.

The only place I would REALLY love to use AP is at gas stations (at the pump), where CC info is ripped off daily from card scammers. But, I've yet to see a pump that takes AP.

I've seen some discussion elsewhere indicating that a number of chains are at least starting to deploy it. Probably be more common in a year or so.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8icjxf/apple_pay_at_the_pump_for_gas/
 
That doesn't make sense. If one NFC based payment method is accepted, all of them are.

What could have happened is that the terminals broke there again. They seem to be pretty unreliable in my experience.

Apple Pay works if your terminals accept contactless cards, but the company can invest time and money to disable it. Don't ask me why they would do that. I don't care _too_ much about Apple Pay, but if I found that a company actually spent time and money to stop it from working, I'd be angry.
 



7-Eleven today announced that Apple Pay and Google Pay are accepted at nearly all of its 10,000+ locations across the United States, following a rollout that began in August.

While many 7-Eleven retail locations have already started accepting Apple Pay, the rollout will continue throughout the month of September until "most U.S. stores" support the payments service.

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"The ability to pay with their smart device gives consumers one more reason to shop at 7-Eleven," said 7-Eleven CDO and CIO Gurmeet Singh of the Apple Pay launch.

7-Eleven also highlighted some of the technology improvements that it has introduced recently, including the 7-Eleven NOW app for placing on-demand orders with Apple Pay as a payment option, the 7Rewards loyalty program that allows customers to earn points for purchases, and the 7-Eleven Bot on Facebook Messenger to allow customers to get quick answers to questions.

Apple CEO Tim Cook first announced in July that Apple Pay support would be coming to 7-11 retail locations in the United States, and the wide availability of Apple Pay at 7-Eleven comes just in time for the launch of Apple's new 2018 iPhones.

To use Apple Pay at 7-Eleven stores, customers will need an iPhone 6, 6s, 6, 7, 8, 6 Plus, 6s Plus, 7 Plus, 8 Plus, SE, or X, and/or a compatible Apple Watch model.

Along with 7-Eleven, popular drugstore chain CVS, once an Apple Pay holdout, is also expected to begin accepting the payments service this fall.

Article Link: Apple Pay Now Available in 10,000+ U.S. 7-Eleven Stores
[doublepost=1536708454][/doublepost]Great, will it actually work reliably now? 90% of the time when I try to use ApplePay it fails and I have to pull out my wallet.

At least half the time when it DOES work, it asks me all kinds of questions that take just as long as if I'd pulled out my card.

For these reasons, ApplePay is a complete failure for me.
 
I've seen some discussion elsewhere indicating that a number of chains are at least starting to deploy it. Probably be more common in a year or so.

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/8icjxf/apple_pay_at_the_pump_for_gas/

EMV deadline for retail was Oct 2015. That's why we've seen an increase since then. For gas stations the deadline was supposed to be Oct 2017, but has been delayed to 2020. I think most gas stations are delaying a hardware upgrade as long as possible.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/12/visa-delays-chip-deadline-for-pumps-to-2020/
 
Apple Pay works if your terminals accept contactless cards, but the company can invest time and money to disable it. Don't ask me why they would do that. I don't care _too_ much about Apple Pay, but if I found that a company actually spent time and money to stop it from working, I'd be angry.

I doubt this is happening in any large numbers. At best they'd be able to block all mobile wallets (likely by looking for the data indicating that CDCVM was used), not specific ones. And even then, it's not 100% reliable; for example, US issued AmEx cards in mobile wallets use an older magstripe-based mode that generally doesn't allow CDCVM.

Also, even if doing so were 100% reliable, I'm pretty sure it's against card network rules to do so. What would be the point, anyway, especially when retailers aren't paying Apple/Google/Samsung/etc. anything for mobile wallet transactions?

That said, retailers in the US do have incentives to disable contactless entirely, as many are so acutely aware. It just so happens that contactless and mobile wallets are effectively one and the same due to the lack of contactless cards, so doing so would likely not impact non mobile wallet users.

EMV deadline for retail was Oct 2015. That's why we've seen an increase since then. For gas stations the deadline was supposed to be Oct 2017, but has been delayed to 2020. I think most gas stations are delaying a hardware upgrade as long as possible.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/12/visa-delays-chip-deadline-for-pumps-to-2020/

Gas stations are usually franchised and don't make anywhere near huge profits (most of the latter comes from inside sales, even). It's no wonder they're holding off on large capital investments for as long as possible.

FWIW, I think Shell, Arco and ExxonMobil will end up getting all of their stations EMV enabled by 2020; the hardware is basically all there already. As for the others...yeah.

BTW, Safeway gas stations of all places are already EMV enabled outside. No contactless readers outside though, but AP inside the convenience store works.
 
I thought modern credit cards (with chip) offer the same level of protection (at least for all practical purposes). Besides even if card data does get stolen, you loose nothing.
Have you seen any cards with chip that do not also have the magnetic strip that makes cards insecure?
 
Have you seen any cards with chip that do not also have the magnetic strip that makes cards insecure?

They're actually not uncommon in Europe, where they've had 100% chip acceptance for quite a long time. Unfortunately it might be a while for that to happen in the US.
 
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