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If they're going to make the 10.5" size, why not offer the mini, 10.5" and 12.9"?

9.7" and 10.5" seem too close in size.

Plus there are multiple colors of 9.7 and 10.5. Plus multiple storage options (32, 64, 128, 256, and maybe a 512).
Plus Wifi or Wifi/LTE versions.
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Apple is getting out of the Mac business.
iPads are the new computer business.
Obey.

Yes, master. As you wish.
 
The only bit I believe of this prediction is the iPad Pro 12.9" 2 and maybe a flexible screen iPad although that tech will still be very new for a tablet size screen.

Hate to say it but I think the God of Apple predictions is wrong.
 
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Here's my main problem with iPads:

They're relatively disposable.

I bought a maxed out iPad 1 and another maxed out iPad 2 when they came out. They are both basically unusable paperweights now. Apps crash constantly, or in the case of the iPad 1, they just don't exist due to higher iOS versions being required. That, and the inability to revert to an earlier OS version make them a bad purchase and a waste of money.

Had I invested the $800 or so I paid for each of them on Macs instead, it'd still be using them, well too.

I will NEVER buy an iPad again, unless Apple gives me control of the hardware (OS installation, filesystem) which I know will never happen either.

If Tim bets the company on iPads like he's been promoting, well...
 
Sounds like you haven't looked at what's available for the iPad in quite some time. Mass storage with built-in WiFi is one example.

1) Way to deliberately miss the point. So that only leaves what 999 more reasons the iPad can't replace a computer?

2) From your snippy response, I really don't know what you're talking about and I did just google it. If you mean wifi access to an external hard drive, i assume you're just making a bad joke.
 
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Here's my main problem with iPads:

I will NEVER buy an iPad again, unless Apple gives me control of the hardware (OS installation, filesystem) which I know will never happen either.

If Tim bets the company on iPads like he's been promoting, well...

Right. And I want to see first, how Tim converts his corporation from Macs to iPads. How they can run the business using iPads. That ain't going to happen.
 
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I want an iPad with no buttons at all and the screen is shaped like a giant donut. It should also be thin enough to slice straight through an unprotected hand. I also want it available in size increments of 1mm all the way up to 1m. Oh and I want it in baby pink.
But the Samsung Galaxy Donut will be available in a 1.2m size! And galaxy blue.
 
I wonder if they make copy and paste more reliable so they can continue to pretend an iPad toy can replace a real computer like a Mac.
 
I *really* like my iPad Pro. The smart cover keyboard is honest to goodness fundamental change on how you use the thing - nice to type on, and light and stuck to the iPad when you need it. When I am trying to actually work on it though, usually in Split Mode, the side I am reading content ends up just slightly too small. I'd be interested in this in between 10.5 model. Its the equivalent of the perfect sized 9.7 model but for work.
 
The iPad mini probably will go, as most people will be contempt between the largest iPhone and the smallest and cheapest iPad.

They will not ditch the iPad mini as it's a gateway device. It brings new customers to the iPad. Apple's iPad strategy is clear: 2 basic models and 2 pro models
 
1) Way to deliberately miss the point. So that only leaves what 999 more reasons the iPad can't replace a computer?

2) From your snippy response, I really don't know what you're talking about and I did just google it. If you mean wifi access to an external hard drive, i assume you're just making a bad joke.

I'm not actually sure what your own point is.

For example, if the A9X is basically the equivalent of a 2013 Core i5 (and it is), then there isn't really much in the way of "computer" software that it couldn't run. The barrier isn't really the iPad itself anymore, but rather what makes sense for the software developers themselves, which usually comes down to economics. Obviously there aren't as many A9X devices to run high-end software as Mac desktops/laptops, so the vast majority of developers are probably going to continue to view it as a companion platform to their OS X/Mac OS apps. I guarantee you that an A9X could run the Adobe Creative Suite better than the 2012 Macbook Pro I have, but Adobe doesn't really have a reason to try and create a full-fledged version of CS for iOS when it comes to the economic aspect.

As for the drives… http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/i...your-iphone-or-ipad-external-devices-3579792/
 
Here's my main problem with iPads:

They're relatively disposable.

I bought a maxed out iPad 1 and another maxed out iPad 2 when they came out. They are both basically unusable paperweights now. Apps crash constantly, or in the case of the iPad 1, they just don't exist due to higher iOS versions being required. That, and the inability to revert to an earlier OS version make them a bad purchase and a waste of money.

Had I invested the $800 or so I paid for each of them on Macs instead, it'd still be using them, well too.

I will NEVER buy an iPad again, unless Apple gives me control of the hardware (OS installation, filesystem) which I know will never happen either.

If Tim bets the company on iPads like he's been promoting, well...
Pretty much this. I bought a maxed out iPad 3 in 2012. Apart from an occasional novelty app/game, all I ever did on it was browse the web or watch Youtube/Netflix. 4 years later, my usage hasn't changed but it now performs worse than it ever did - borderline unusable. Tabs reload constantly, web scrolling and app switch animations are super choppy. On screen keyboard delay is monumental - it truly has to be seen to be believed. Never in all my techie life have I seen this sort of performance degradation, and that includes the impulse purchase pos netbook I bought to modify into an htpc. Apple's iOS optimization hasn't been great over the years. They should not have even bothered including the 2012 devices in the iOS9 upgrade list at all.
 
I'm not actually sure what your own point is.

For example, if the A9X is basically the equivalent of a 2013 Core i5 (and it is), then there isn't really much in the way of "computer" software that it couldn't run. The barrier isn't really the iPad itself anymore, but rather what makes sense for the software developers themselves, which usually comes down to economics. Obviously there aren't as many A9X devices to run high-end software as Mac desktops/laptops, so the vast majority of developers are probably going to continue to view it as a companion platform to their OS X/Mac OS apps. I guarantee you that an A9X could run the Adobe Creative Suite better than the 2012 Macbook Pro I have, but Adobe doesn't really have a reason to try and create a full-fledged version of CS for iOS when it comes to the economic aspect.

As for the drives… http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/i...your-iphone-or-ipad-external-devices-3579792/

Why have you chosen to compare core I processors from several years ago to the latest in ARM CPU technology?
I'm pretty sure a desktop 2016 i5 or i7 would make mincemeat out of a 2016 ARM processor.
Of course Adobe is going to make is full professional heavyweight suite run on X86 first and foremost, it's software used by people for whom time is literally money and they are not going to sit there waiting for a much lower power ARM system as opposed to a full desktop PC to render pictures etc.

Until ARM can actually match the speeds and power of X86 CPUs and platforms of the same year, you won't see too much enthusiasm to make the full Adobe Creative Suite run on an iPad.
 
I've been very happy with the wifi iPads. I received a Mini 16g when they first came out in 2012 for Christmas. Traded it in for an iPad Air2 64g at Best Buy, cost $250, recently traded the iPad Air in, again at Best Buy for a iPad Pro 9.7 128g, cost out the door $350. Even figuring the Mini at $400, that's $1000 over about four years to have a current device, plus that doesn't take into account the life of my new iPad Pro. I think they are fairly cheap if you wait for a deal. If I had sold the Air2 on CL probably could have done better yet. Love the Pro but just a wee bit bigger would be nice. And 4g of ram, of course.
 
Why not go metric? We could make some nice round numbers with millimeters. 200mm, 250mm, 300mm, ...
The 11.67" size would be based on Picas, and would be a Special Edition for Graphic Designers.

Of course, it wouldn't be able to actually run any "Pro" Design apps.
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Here's my main problem with iPads:

They're relatively disposable.
They're just not priced that way.
 
It's not that they can't, it's that there's no incentive for them to. They most likely would lose more than they would gain. The 17in notebook sector is nonexistent at this point.

I was just being sarcastic , as great as the 17" mbps were, they were not profitable enough for apple to keep them in he line up, minority of users bought them. Hence apple pushing the much more profitable idevice over the less profitable laptop at the same price point
 
But then you wouldn't buy the new one.
I suppose that is indeed their logic but I, along with many others, didn't upgrade regardless. Currently, my android phone is my mobile workhorse, and my MBP is my general workhorse. Collectively, those cover 99% of my work and over 90% of my overall 'computing' usage. So, if I do decide to upgrade, it likely won't be an iPad. It certainly will be nowhere near the $900 price bracket as my iPad 3 was.
 
I'm not actually sure what your own point is.

Really? This is what you choose to reply to:

DevNull0 said:
Looking at raw computing power has very, very little to do with what you can do with a computer. Tiny screen, crappy keyboard choices, no mouse or trackpad, no usable file system, no ports, no peripherals, no real multitasking, no resizable windows, no mass storage. No, an iPad does not come close to rivalling a laptop.

If you could not tell from that that what my point was, I'm really not sure why you bothered to reply to it on some stupid irrelevant tangent.

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For example, if the A9X is basically the equivalent of a 2013 Core i5 (and it is), then there isn't really much in the way of "computer" software that it couldn't run. The barrier isn't really the iPad itself anymore, but rather what makes sense for the software developers themselves, which usually comes down to economics.

No, I listed a whole bunch of barriers intrinsic to the the iPad hardware and it's crippled OS that prevent it from doing basic tasks. Maybe the CPU is up to the task. The crippled iPad hardware and OS that CPU is stuck inside most certainly is not.
 
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Three sizes from 9.7" to 12.9"? Is there enough difference in screen area to justify the so many models in such a small size range? And those who think an 8" tablet can be replaced by a 5.5" phone...have you actually used both sizes? I use a Nexus 7 for reading books and articles with some browsing and my 6 Plus doesn't even compare for those uses.

Consider the size differences:
iPhone 6+: 83.4 cm2
iPad Mini: 193 cm2
iPad: 291 cm2

The iPad mini is 2.3 times greater in area than the 6+, while the iPad is only 1.5 times greater in area than the iPad mini. There is a yuuuuge difference in usability between the iPad mini and the 6+, the two are in unmistakably different product classes, at least to those who have spent time with both of them.

I think Apple are wise to keep the choices clear and concise as they are now. When OLED tech enables lighter form factors and possibly a collapsable tablet then it would make sense to EOL the 7.9" Mini. Until then, the 8" tablet class needs an Apple product.
 
Personally I think it means he's talking crap. He doesn't know.
Three sizes from 9.7" to 12.9"? Is there enough difference in screen area to justify the so many models in such a small size range? And those who think an 8" tablet can be replaced by a 5.5" phone...have you actually used both sizes? I use a Nexus 7 for reading books and articles with some browsing and my 6 Plus doesn't even compare for those uses.

Consider the size differences:
iPhone 6+: 83.4 cm2
iPad Mini: 193 cm2
iPad: 291 cm2

The iPad mini is 2.3 times greater in area than the 6+, while the iPad is only 1.5 times greater in area than the iPad mini. There is a yuuuuge difference in usability between the iPad mini and the 6+, the two are in unmistakably different product classes, at least to those who have spent time with both of them.

I think Apple are wise to keep the choices clear and concise as they are now. When OLED tech enables lighter form factors and possibly a collapsable tablet then it would make sense to EOL the 7.9" Mini. Until then, the 8" tablet class needs an Apple product.
Yes, the mini is a very nice little surfing and reading device. Ditching the 9.7 would make more sense.
 
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Why not just make 1 stretchy iPad size made of some rare earth element and call it a day.

Also, are iPads even in demand anymore? I haven't touched the one I bought in 2010 in a good 3 years because it's just not that useful when you have an iPhone and a Mac.

Really? I find just the opposite. I barely ever use a computer anymore. The useless device in my opinion is the IPhone Plus. It's too big to be carried around as a phone, but too small to be useful for note taking, etc. why would you want to lug around a laptop?
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The future of the iPad lies with the iPad Pro. Non-pro iPads (and tablets in general) are getting cannibalized by large-screen smartphones.

Um, what?! Tablet and phones are totally different devices. The large screen phones are a joke. Too big for a phone, not big enough for anything else useful.
 
I'm not actually sure what your own point is.

For example, if the A9X is basically the equivalent of a 2013 Core i5 (and it is), then there isn't really much in the way of "computer" software that it couldn't run. The barrier isn't really the iPad itself anymore, but rather what makes sense for the software developers themselves, which usually comes down to economics. Obviously there aren't as many A9X devices to run high-end software as Mac desktops/laptops, so the vast majority of developers are probably going to continue to view it as a companion platform to their OS X/Mac OS apps. I guarantee you that an A9X could run the Adobe Creative Suite better than the 2012 Macbook Pro I have, but Adobe doesn't really have a reason to try and create a full-fledged version of CS for iOS when it comes to the economic aspect.

As for the drives… http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/i...your-iphone-or-ipad-external-devices-3579792/
Top end desktop Macs struggle to run high end art applications such as Substance Designer, Zbrush, and Maya, not to mention Unreal 4. A desktop windows box blows away Macs for that type of thing. How would an iPad with a puny GPU and visually no RAM handle them? I can max out my Mac's 32gb on RAM in Photoshop alone with total ease.
 
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So they'll phase out the 7.9" model because the 5.5" model is "close enough," but they'll add a 10.5" model because both 9.7" and 12.9" models aren't enough? Umm...what?

That extra 0.8" of screen will just be legendary for the iPad. /s
 
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