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I never claimed to be the voice of all the Apple consumers everywhere. I'm just saying that there has to be a lot of people "overrating" something for you to feel it is overrated. If you didn't think people liked the ecosystem than you do, you wouldn't use that word.

Very few people say "sand in the armpits is overrated". They only use that word about things that they think other people like, and that they wish other people liked less.

So when I say "we", I speak for the people who you feel are "overrating" Apple's integrated ecosystem. And since you CAN'T speak for us, the idea that we are being superficial is one that exists only in your head; you're claiming to know our motivations better than we do ourselves.
Please don't confuse my point and lose sight of the original context here. I am not overrating Apple's ecosystem—not by a long stretch. (I actually feel it's vastly superior to all other options currently available.) Rather, I am overrating the notion that someone may fear leaving iPhone to try a different mobile operating platform. If for whatever reason you were at a crossroads and were objectively considering a change of scenery, you would need to take a step back and evaluate Apple's integrated system as it pertains to you specifically. No "us" or "we", just "you". I also don't pretend to speak for everyone, but I personally find that since I already own an Apple TV, iMac, MacBook Pro, iPad, and iPod Touch, I can completely forgo the need for an iPhone to keep me integrated with Apple and its content. A ton of .99 cent apps and IAPs is not going to prevent from trying a different mobile operating platform. In fact, in addition to my iPhone 6+, I own a Nexus 6 running Marshmallow 6.0.1 that is a pretty darn amazing device in its own right. To each his own I guess.
 
Exactly what I've been saying. The leap to 4K and 8K isn't going to be for "normal" viewing per se. It's going to be because of what's required for companion devices like VR. I personally can't wait.

As a content provider..... I dread going to 8K. The sheer render times are going to be horrific. 4K is bad enough as it is. We capture footage in 4K/6K on a regular basis, but the reality is that there is almost zero requests for 4K output. 99% of business is still 1080p and will be for quite some time. Hell... half of Hollywood films are still shot in 2K.
 
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As a content provider..... I dread going to 8K. The sheer render times are going to be horrific. 4K is bad enough as it is. We capture footage in 4K/6K on a regular basis, but the reality is that there is almost zero requests for 4K output. 99% of business is still 1080p and will be for quite some time. Hell... half of Hollywood films are still shot in 2K.
I hear you. But it would (mostly) affect you if you dive into VR/360 production. Here is where, because of the "view" - resolution needs to be bumped up. Not just on the screen to reduce screen-dooring, but also because with that extra real estate, for it to be crystal clear (as clear as 1080) the resolution needs to be higher.

But yeah - I'm a content creator as well - and the thought of rendering (normal)things at 4K/8K makes me cringe
 
What gimmicks are you referring to? Given Android's worldwide marketshare - don't you think using the phrase "struggling to survive" might be a tad off base. Forget about whether or not they are high end phones or cheaper ones. "Struggling to survive" is purely your bias coming through. And that's ok. But it's not fact, is it?

I'll also suggest that some of Android gimmicks of the past, Apple has since developed. Now perhaps you think they are more elegant - and for some I might agree - but without Android testing the waters, who knows if Apple would have adopted those "gimmicks."
Reality check: market share means NOTHING. For commercial companies, profits are what counts, an in Android world most of the companies (or at least their mobile department) are struggling to survive despite market share...
Market share is an argument good for "supporters" to say "wow we won".

Oh well keep on thinking that then, but you're wrong. I know there are more aspects to a display than just resolution, but a higher resolution makes a difference, there's no two ways about it. You can even tell the difference with Sony's overkill 4k smartphone display vs 1080p

http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/16/sony-xperia-z5-premium-review/
No you are the one to be wrong.
Since human eyes aren't improved in the last years, you can boost resolution how high you wish, but with 4.7" and the same using distance, you are gaining NOTHING.
 
Reality check: market share means NOTHING. For commercial companies, profits are what counts, an in Android world most of the companies (or at least their mobile department) are struggling to survive despite market share...
Market share is an argument good for "supporters" to say "wow we won".

No you are the one to be wrong.
Since human eyes aren't improved in the last years, you can boost resolution how high you wish, but with 4.7" and the same using distance, you are gaining NOTHING.

I disagree. I think your phrasing is poor if you think Android is "struggling." AS a platform, it is not.

Also, what gimmicks? You didn't answer.

Also - boosting resolution, as others and myself have explained is less about viewing content "normally" on the device - although there would be a difference... but rather when that device is used to power VR through something like Gear VR or similar. Having 4k/8K will make a markable difference. You gain a lot.
 
I could have sworn you've copied and pasted this utter garbage before and have thoroughly had it debunked by many people. You need to stop
Why?
Because you don' t like it?
Or any other Samsung /android user?
Some solid points on the oled on the Samsung being the better screen have been made and I agreed on that.
But I don' t have to agree with every dumb remark being made.
If you think it is so ridiculous, why not react to the content.
Acting like Donald Trump is not the solution.
 
Reality check: market share means NOTHING. For commercial companies, profits are what counts, an in Android world most of the companies (or at least their mobile department) are struggling to survive despite market share...
Market share is an argument good for "supporters" to say "wow we won".


No you are the one to be wrong.
Since human eyes aren't improved in the last years, you can boost resolution how high you wish, but with 4.7" and the same using distance, you are gaining NOTHING.


Lol. You fell for the "retina" marketing spiel. Makes you wonder - if we can't see past "retina" resolutions why Apple has gone for "retina HD", a higher PPI on iPhone 6+.

Could it be that you can see a difference..? :rolleyes:

Its funny, you are ignoring multiple citations which are saying you are wrong. Quit drinking the kool aid. As an avid Apple fan myself it's just embarrassing to watch.
 
Why?
Because you don' t like it?
Or any other Samsung /android user?
Some solid points on the oled on the Samsung being the better screen have been made and I agreed on that.
But I don' t have to agree with every dumb remark being made.
If you think it is so ridiculous, why not react to the content.
Acting like Donald Trump is not the solution.

IREading back, i'm not entirely sure WHAT you said anymore... sso I'm goign to go ahead and say sorry. carry on, and edit my post.
 
Lol. You fell for the "retina" marketing spiel. Makes you wonder - if we can't see past "retina" resolutions why Apple has gone for "retina HD", a higher PPI on iPhone 6+.

Could it be that you can see a difference..? :rolleyes:

Its funny, you are ignoring multiple citations which are saying you are wrong. Quit drinking the kool aid. As an avid Apple fan myself it's just embarrassing to watch.

Iv'e seen many Apple cool-aide drinkers in here but, wow, somebody fell in and is drowning in it. I'd throw a life preserver (as some are trying) but I think it's too late. It's these guy's that allow Apple to stay 2 years behind so they can maximize profits. They can do no wrong.
 
You can find by yourself.
Since they consider "the best display on the market" a panel with a PenTile matrix and a color accuracy that will degrade over the time for the inherently wearing of sub pixels on OLED displays, well, that's enough proof for me.
And , again, yes I'm absolutely convinced Apple is the only company on the cutting edge here. They did mistakes, for sure, but they have the best overall product.


That's for sure.
With white backgrounds an OLED panel would consumes twice an LCD.


Then they won't use a Samsung panel, since Samsung use PenTile matrix that is a shame. Samsung boosted up resolution to cover this flaw, but I don't think this is an efficient solution, especially on a 4.7" display.
Color accuracy? When it's brand new.... On an OLED panel sub pixels wears out in a different time depending on their color, so accuracy will vary.
Burn in effect is still present, and power efficiency on bright backgrounds isn't great.
So it's not a win win solution. It has drawbacks and I'd like them to use a more advanced lcd instead.
Reality check: market share means NOTHING. For commercial companies, profits are what counts, an in Android world most of the companies (or at least their mobile department) are struggling to survive despite market share...
Market share is an argument good for "supporters" to say "wow we won".


No you are the one to be wrong.
Since human eyes aren't improved in the last years, you can boost resolution how high you wish, but with 4.7" and the same using distance, you are gaining NOTHING.

Funny how everyone with a different opinion than you is always wrong. Funny how market share is only important when Apple is on top. Funny how no company but Apple produces a good product. Funny how you make wide ranging claims and offer no evidence to support them other than because you say so. And you claim to be open minded and not biased yet say that anyone who doesn't agree with with you is biased.
 
What could possibly justify the use of a 750p 4.7" display in 2016 for a smartphone?

Absolutely nothing.

If you're talking about a phone being compact, there are 4.7" 1080p smartphones that are, ironically, more compact than the iPhone 6/6s.


because the human eye cannot see the pixels at that resolution at normal viewing distances; why only settle for 16.7 Million colors (that has been around since the early-mid 90's)? why not 64 bit color with BILLIONS of colors? oh, because that's higher than the color perception of the human eye. Why settle for standard speakers that only go to 20KHz? That has been around for decades! I need a speaker capable of 2MHZ! (well beyond human hearing! Because, Spec-sheet for the win!)
 
Funny how everyone with a different opinion than you is always wrong. Funny how market share is only important when Apple is on top. Funny how no company but Apple produces a good product. Funny how you make wide ranging claims and offer no evidence to support them other than because you say so. And you claim to be open minded and not biased yet say that anyone who doesn't agree with with you is biased.

Market share of android means nothing for hw sales for one particular company. iOS market share does. Android is an umbrella for some big and small smartphone manufacturers. The only one benefitting is Google , not the hardware manufacturer.
All but Samsung break even or loose money in the smartphone market.

So only Samsung and Apple will be able to keep up with the race in cutting edge. They are the only ones that are really making money.
Samsung has to fear the budget android phones though, what is samsungs usp? Touchwizz? Their very good oled displays that they are already have started selling to the same budget manufacturers(xioami for instance).

So marketshare for android is nice, but doesn' t tell us how much money it makes for each manufacturer individually. And profits are the most important driver for future innovation and R&D.
So Samsung will be able to keep up, perhaps Huawei, perhaps xioami. And Google could if they would really make their own phones.
But future for high end android phones will be pretty dark..
 
because the human eye cannot see the pixels at that resolution at normal viewing distances; why only settle for 16.7 Million colors (that has been around since the early-mid 90's)? why not 64 bit color with BILLIONS of colors? oh, because that's higher than the color perception of the human eye. Why settle for standard speakers that only go to 20KHz? That has been around for decades! I need a speaker capable of 2MHZ! (well beyond human hearing! Because, Spec-sheet for the win!)

Except you can distinguish pixels at 326 ppi at normal viewing distances.
 
Market share of android means nothing for hw sales for one particular company. iOS market share does. Android is an umbrella for some big and small smartphone manufacturers. The only one benefitting is Google , not the hardware manufacturer.
All but Samsung break even or loose money in the smartphone market.

So only Samsung and Apple will be able to keep up with the race in cutting edge. They are the only ones that are really making money.
Samsung has to fear the budget android phones though, what is samsungs usp? Touchwizz? Their very good oled displays that they are already have started selling to the same budget manufacturers(xioami for instance).

So marketshare for android is nice, but doesn' t tell us how much money it makes for each manufacturer individually. And profits are the most important driver for future innovation and R&D.
So Samsung will be able to keep up, perhaps Huawei, perhaps xioami. And Google could if they would really make their own phones.
But future for high end android phones will be pretty dark..

The point I was arguing is that it's incorrect to say Android as an OS is struggling. That couldn't be further from the truth. You can't be installed on the # of devices (no matter which version) and be considered struggling.
 
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The point I was arguing is that it's incorrect to say Android as an OS is struggling. That couldn't be further from the truth. You can't be installed on the # of devices (no matter which version) and be considered struggling.
No you can' t.
But there is a dependence on hw manufacturers, that needs to be considered. The only one profiting from android are Google and Samsung . The rest is barely hanging in there.
They are huge in developing markets because of the price.
A lot of these buyers will never buy apps, just get the free ones with lots of advertising, or get a illegal copy in another App Store .
That is not very encouraging for software developers , and not for hw developers, they don' t want to invest in r&d because margins are too low, profits too small
Google needs to step in and produce their own phones. Google reference line or something like that. They write the software, they have the resources and huge R&D department, to do the next step in hw and software .
 
I disagree. I think your phrasing is poor if you think Android is "struggling." AS a platform, it is not.

Also, what gimmicks? You didn't answer.

Also - boosting resolution, as others and myself have explained is less about viewing content "normally" on the device - although there would be a difference... but rather when that device is used to power VR through something like Gear VR or similar. Having 4k/8K will make a markable difference. You gain a lot.
The Gear VR itself, as of today, is the best example of gimmick I could make...
Explaining the ridiculous pumped up resolution on some android devices as a facilitator for gear VR is the demonstration of how poor your arguments are... Gear VR ... on my iPhone ... who cares ???


Lol. You fell for the "retina" marketing spiel. Makes you wonder - if we can't see past "retina" resolutions why Apple has gone for "retina HD", a higher PPI on iPhone 6+.

Could it be that you can see a difference..? :rolleyes:

Its funny, you are ignoring multiple citations which are saying you are wrong. Quit drinking the kool aid. As an avid Apple fan myself it's just embarrassing to watch.
are you being obtuse on purpose ?
For the iPhone 6+, using a bigger screen, Apple had to change resolution and they just used one with slightly higher PPI, maintaining the same aspect ratio.
That have very little to do with Android manufacturers trying to differentiate themselves from a crowd of otherwise identical uninspiring products....

Funny how everyone with a different opinion than you is always wrong. Funny how market share is only important when Apple is on top. Funny how no company but Apple produces a good product. Funny how you make wide ranging claims and offer no evidence to support them other than because you say so. And you claim to be open minded and not biased yet say that anyone who doesn't agree with with you is biased.
Again, market share is good for "supporters" cheering their beloved OS on forums ....
Apple NEVER was or want to be on top of market share.
They are not going after the crappy cheap low end segment that makes Android "the most used mobile OS".

Except you can distinguish pixels at 326 ppi at normal viewing distances.
No you can't, a normal viewing distance, and any medic could say that... but keep believe you "see pixels".
Maybe you would be able to see how ridiculous the PenTile matrix is, with such a good view sight ...
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The point I was arguing is that it's incorrect to say Android as an OS is struggling. That couldn't be further from the truth. You can't be installed on the # of devices (no matter which version) and be considered struggling.
English isn't my first language, but the phrase was quite easy to understand:

most of the companies (or at least their mobile department) are struggling to survive despite market share...

No one said Android as an OS is struggling.
Android is nothing more than a "data bait" for Google. They made it to have people involved in their ecosystem and monetize on their data.
Android itself isn't struggling, on the contrary it is constantly improved.
But in my opinion it is mined in its foundations.
 
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The Gear VR itself, as of today, is the best example of gimmick I could make...
Explaining the ridiculous pumped up resolution on some android devices as a facilitator for gear VR is the demonstration of how poor your arguments are... Gear VR ... on my iPhone ... who cares ???



are you being obtuse on purpose ?
For the iPhone 6+, using a bigger screen, Apple had to change resolution and they just used one with slightly higher PPI, maintaining the same aspect ratio.
That have very little to do with Android manufacturers trying to differentiate themselves from a crowd of otherwise identical uninspiring products....


Again, market share is good for "supporters" cheering their beloved OS on forums ....
Apple NEVER was or want to be on top of market share.
They are not going after the crappy cheap low end segment that makes Android "the most used mobile OS".


No you can't, a normal viewing distance, and any medic could say that... but keep believe you "see pixels".
Maybe you would be able to see how ridiculous the PenTile matrix is, with such a good view sight ...
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English isn't my first language, but the phrase was quite easy to understand:

most of the companies (or at least their mobile department) are struggling to survive despite market share...

No one said Android as an OS is struggling.
Android is nothing more than a "data bait" for Google. They made it to have people involved in their ecosystem and monetize on their data.
Android itself isn't struggling, on the contrary it is constantly improved.
But in my opinion it is mined in its foundations.

Ok now I'm convinced you're just trolling.

Goodbye.
 
Ok now I'm convinced you're just trolling.

Goodbye.
Yes, because explaining the reasons why I like Apple's products above others ON AN APPLE CENTRIC FORUM, means trolling.... indeed.
Unfortunately I can't add more about behaviors on MR Forums...
 
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Max(IT) uses rational argument, rather than fanboy catchphrases.



But you're right, someone is trolling.

He called mobile VR a gimmick, he says that increasing the PPI on iPhone would make no difference despite many cited sources saying the opposite, he just keeps saying things that are patently untrue such as "Apple NEVER was or want to be on top of market share."

http://techcrunch.com/2009/04/23/an...e-ad-market-share-iphone-still-blows-it-away/

Oh well when Apple finally do increase the PPI he'll finally get it, until then he can carry on "drinking the kool aid".
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Yes, because explaining the reasons why I like Apple's products above others ON AN APPLE CENTRIC FORUM, means trolling.... indeed.
Unfortunately I can't add more about behaviors on MR Forums...

No, that's not what you're doing. You're disagreeing with facts over and over. I call this trolling.
 
He called mobile VR a gimmick, he says that increasing the PPI on iPhone would make no difference despite many cited sources saying the opposite, he just keeps saying things that are patently untrue such as "Apple NEVER was or want to be on top of market share."

http://techcrunch.com/2009/04/23/an...e-ad-market-share-iphone-still-blows-it-away/

I said GEAR VR, not "Mobile VR" is a gimmick, and I will repeat it a million times: IT IS A GIMMICK.

And lol at you reporting a US only market share FROM THE BEGINNING OF 2009, when the smartphone market was shaken by the iPhone introduction, as a proof for your statement...

Regarding the "many cited sources" I can't see any. The only really interesting discussion I had on this argument on this forum was with an ACTUAL MEDIC that basically confirmed that human eyes can't see differences at normal using distance above 300-400 PPI.
So I stand my position: I can't see any good reason to use 400+ PPI panels on a smartphone I'm not going to look at 2 cm of distance....

Oh well when Apple finally do increase the PPI he'll finally get it, until then he can carry on "drinking the kool aid".
When Apple will increase the PPI they will do that because of a true advantage or just because the technology will be mature enough to do that without obvious drawbacks.
Still our eyes won't be any better than they are today...

No, that's not what you're doing. You're disagreeing with facts over and over. I call this trolling.
I'm disagreeing with people worshipping Samsung ? Yes, indeed. Heartedly .
Am I a fanboy ? Call me whatever you like. Im surely not trolling the forum...
 
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I said GEAR VR, not "Mobile VR" is a gimmick, and I will repeat it a million times: IT IS A GIMMICK.

And lol at you reporting a US only market share FROM THE BEGINNING OF 2009, when the smartphone market was shaken by the iPhone introduction, as a proof for your statement...


When Apple will increase the PPI they will do that because of a true advantage or just because the technology will be mature enough to do that without obvious drawbacks.
Still our eyes won't be any better than they are today...


I'm disagreeing with people worshipping Samsung ? Yes, indeed. Heartedly .

My eyes will probably be worse and I'll still be able to see a discernable difference between QHD and 750p on a 4.7" display. I can see the individual pixels on my 6S right now. And lets not forget the difference it makes to oriental text too. This is a massive drawback for low res displays.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Japan-Display-Inc-Retina-Display-651ppi-pixels-per-inch,15913.html

Gear VR really isn't a gimmick, it's pretty decent. I used the term Mobile VR because if you are dismissing Gear VR (which is unanimously the best mobile VR you can get) you are also dismissing all other mobile VR solutions - ergo you are dismissing mobile VR as a gimmick.

And no, you are not disagreeing with people who worship Samsung, you are disagreeing with industry standard tests by Displaymate and dismissing them as biased, lol.

Oh well when Apple finally boosts resolution you'll get it, until then - good day sir!
 
I just bought myself a mid range Samsung Galaxy A8 and it's amazing how better the screen is than the iPhone 6 at nearly half price.The OLED display simply blows away the LCD on my iPhone
This is the Galaxy A8 with 1080p res at 30% brightness.Just look how bright colourful and sharp it is
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This is my iPhone at 30% taken with a Lumia 730

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Alas people like MaxIT will continue to deny that Samsung displays like the above are plainly superior

On top of that the Galaxy has ZERO lags
 
The Gear VR itself, as of today, is the best example of gimmick I could make...
Explaining the ridiculous pumped up resolution on some android devices as a facilitator for gear VR is the demonstration of how poor your arguments are... Gear VR ... on my iPhone ... who cares ???

No one said Android as an OS is struggling.
Android is nothing more than a "data bait" for Google. They made it to have people involved in their ecosystem and monetize on their data.
Android itself isn't struggling, on the contrary it is constantly improved.
But in my opinion it is mined in its foundations.

Stating that the Gear VR is a gimmick just informs me that you haven't really used one. Oh you might have tried it out in a store. But you haven't spent time with one. Further - I sincerely doubt it's something you could have just simply whipped up in your house. It's not just a Google Cardboard in a fancier shell.

You just don't care about it and are dismissing it because it's not available for iOS. That's what it sounds like to me. I wonder if you would still consider it a "gimmick" if it was readily available to work on iOS.

As for "struggling" - thank you for clarifying. I don't agree with a lot of what you say - but at least you clarified your stance.

I said GEAR VR, not "Mobile VR" is a gimmick, and I will repeat it a million times: IT IS A GIMMICK.
When Apple will increase the PPI they will do that because of a true advantage or just because the technology will be mature enough to do that without obvious drawbacks.
Still our eyes won't be any better than they are today...

Towing the company line here. It's ok to be wrong, you know. Admitting it on this forum actually gains you credibility whereas here you keep losing it insisting on things that simply aren't true and just your opinion.

For example - when the iPad was introduced and up until launch I couldn't see why anyone would want or need it. Well more specifically - I couldn't think of a single use case I would need it for based on price and what it could do. I was pretty vocal about it and how the iPad wasn't really going to replace laptops as it lacked many things to be uber-productive. Some challenges still remain. However, I wound up getting an iPad on launch day and post that I was wrong because as a media consumption device (alone) - it was worth the price for me. Screen real estate (then) compared to phones and the lack of other tablets made all the difference in the world when I was traveling and wanted to consume media. THAT first day - launch day - I came back on MR and apologized for being so wrong. Something to think about as you combat other forum members.
 
My eyes will probably be worse and I'll still be able to see a discernable difference between QHD and 750p on a 4.7" display. I can see the individual pixels on my 6S right now. And lets not forget the difference it makes to oriental text too. This is a massive drawback for low res displays.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Japan-Display-Inc-Retina-Display-651ppi-pixels-per-inch,15913.html

your outdated, unrelated link is the demonstration of how ridiculous this matter is:

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THIS IS NOT, AND SAY AGAIN NOT WHAT IM SEEING ON MY IPHONE'S DISPLAY, unless I look at it from 2/3 cm distance.

Gear VR really isn't a gimmick, it's pretty decent. I used the term Mobile VR because if you are dismissing Gear VR (which is unanimously the best mobile VR you can get) you are also dismissing all other mobile VR solutions - ergo you are dismissing mobile VR as a gimmick.

And no, you are not disagreeing with people who worship Samsung, you are disagreeing with industry standard tests by Displaymate and dismissing them as biased, lol.

Oh well when Apple finally boosts resolution you'll get it, until then - good day sir!
Gear VR is gimmick for me, no matter how many times you repeat it.
It could mature over time, maybe, but for now is gimmick.

An NO, DisplayMate isn't "industry standard". It's just a Company that sell calibration tools.
In the past OTHER calibration tools (used by Anandtech for instance) didn't agree with them in the analysis of Galaxy S5's panel.
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I just bought myself a mid range Samsung Galaxy A8 and it's amazing how better the screen is than the iPhone 6 at nearly half price.The OLED display simply blows away the LCD on my iPhone
This is the Galaxy A8 with 1080p res at 30% brightness.Just look how bright colourful and sharp it is
5965a02a3beccc6b92e1796d5826ab64.jpg

569f811522df1e1bb0e8585074784c41.jpg



This is my iPhone at 30% taken with a Lumia 730

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Alas people like MaxIT will continue to deny that Samsung displays like the above are plainly superior

On top of that the Galaxy has ZERO lags
So a totally inaccurate display on an uninspiring poorly designed smartphone like the A8 is superior to the iPhone 6 just because they boosted up colors ?
As i said a long time ago you are the perfect target for Samsung.

I still think Samsung display using OLED technology and a crappy pentile matrix aren't something I would like to have on my next iPhone.
My opinion and Im entitled to have one.
 
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