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Oculus wil be looking to sell 15% of what the Apple Watch has sold - and you're welcome to book mark that estimation.

I have no idea what the # will be. But it's apples and oranges since the price point and overall use case(s) are different. Further, I wasn't referring to Oculus as being the end all/be all of VR. My comments about VR is that it's not going to be niche as it matures. There are a lot of players aside from Oculus.
 
What could possibly justify the use of a 750p 4.7" display in 2016 for a smartphone?

Absolutely nothing.

If you're talking about a phone being compact, there are 4.7" 1080p smartphones that are, ironically, more compact than the iPhone 6/6s.
What you, and the guys upvoting you, completely ignore is that THE ONLY other high end 4.6-4.7" device out there, the Sony Z5 Compact (just like its predecessors) use a slightly lower 720P resolution...
You are the typical android users: attracted by NUMBERS without reasoning about what's behind those numbers.

Btw the iPhone 6S is a phone from 2015.... But please, feel free to show me another 4.7" high end device using an higher resolution.
 
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What you, and the guys upvoting you, completely ignore is that THE ONLY other high end 4.6-4.7" device out there, the Sony Z5 Compact (just like its predecessors) use a slightly lower 720P resolution...
You are the typical android users: attracted by NUMBERS without reasoning about what's behind those numbers.

Btw the iPhone 6S is a phone from 2015....
So you're okay that the phone has 4x less resolution than its competitors? There's no reason it shouldn't be at least 1080p. It shoots 1080p video. It's even more ridiculous that the screen is 720p and shoots 4K video. There really is no justification for it. It should be standard ... not a "pro" feature of their flagship device.
 
So you're okay that the phone has 4x less resolution than its competitors? There's no reason it shouldn't be at least 1080p. It shoots 1080p video. It's even more ridiculous that the screen is 720p and shoots 4K video. There really is no justification for it. It should be standard ... not a "pro" feature of their flagship device.
Another demonstration of how the marketing machine is working...
An high definition video is shoot at 1080P or even 4K to be viewed on an huge screen.
For a 4-5" display, 720P is more than enough.
You can even put a 4K panel on a 4.7" device: you are gaining NOTHING on the user's point of view. It's just marketing gimmick.

I'm convinced that Apple will raise the resolution once the technology would permit to maintain the form factor without impacting the battery life. That's the thing I like about Apple. They are balancing factors.
Most, in not all, of the android phones are throttling like mads because manufacturers aren't balancing factors. They just keep pumping up specs, version after version.
And, again, Sony is doing the same on their Compact line, that is ABSOLUTELY THE BEST in android world.
 
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Another demonstration of how the marketing machine is working...
An high definition video is shoot at 1080P or even 4K to be viewed on an huge screen.
For a 4-5" display, 720P is more than enough.
You can even put a 4K panel on a 4.7" device: you are gaining NOTHING on the user's point of view. It's just marketing gimmick.
Do you read on the phone? Have you ever read text on a quad AMOLED display versus the iPhone? The text is noticeably crisper and easier to read. It will most definitely never be a gimmick. I'm so tired of people using that word incorrectly. There is nothing gimmicky about everything on the screen being more crisp and more sharp. It's glaringly noticeable ... even when comparing the iPhone 6S to the 6S Plus side by side. That's why I said both screens should be at least 1080p. You are clearly speaking from the point of view of someone that's never consumed media on higher resolution displays. Photos, videos, streaming movies, etc.. are all noticeably crisper on higher resolution displays. There's no reason why Apple should be using 720p in any of their phones anymore. It needs to die and it needs to die when the 7 is released later this year.

I'm convinced that Apple will raise the resolution once the technology would permit to maintain the form factor without impacting the battery life. That's the thing I like about Apple. They are balancing factors.
If you want to believe that crap, then go ahead. The 1080p display in the Plus is a selling point ... just like optical stabilization. It's to get people to pony up more cash for the better screen and better camera.

Most, in not all, of the android phones are throttling like mads because manufacturers aren't balancing factors. They just keep pumping up specs, version after version.
No idea what you're trying to say here. "Balancing factors" ... most modern flagship Android devices get all day battery life. And with Doze in Marshmallow, it really pushes battery life further when the phone isn't in use. And these are all driving QHD displays that are twice the resolution of the Plus display.
 
Do you read on the phone? Have you ever read text on a quad AMOLED display versus the iPhone? The text is noticeably crisper and easier to read. It will most definitely never be a gimmick. I'm so tired of people using that word incorrectly. There is nothing gimmicky about everything on the screen being more crisp and more sharp. It's glaringly noticeable ... even when comparing the iPhone 6S to the 6S Plus side by side. That's why I said both screens should be at least 1080p. You are clearly speaking from the point of view of someone that's never consumed media on higher resolution displays. Photos, videos, streaming movies, etc.. are all noticeably crisper on higher resolution displays. There's no reason why Apple should be using 720p in any of their phones anymore. It needs to die and it needs to die when the 7 is released later this year.
Yes, I have a Galaxy S5 next to the iPhone 6S and NO there's nothing "more crisp and more sharp" on its display.
On the contrary its PenTile matrix bothers me ....


If you want to believe that crap, then go ahead. The 1080p display in the Plus is a selling point ... just like optical stabilization. It's to get people to pony up more cash for the better screen and better camera.
I'm quite sure almost no one buy an iPhone plus because of the slightly higher resolution or a marginally better camera. The difference is screen size.
In the real world only android customers choose a phone based on tech specs. It's quite normal since they have to choose from a plethora of otherwise identical uninspiring models.
The iPhone display is just gorgeous, and every scientific test demonstrated that.
No idea what you're trying to say here. "Balancing factors" ... most modern flagship Android devices get all day battery life. And with Doze in Marshmallow, it really pushes battery life further when the phone isn't in use. And these are all driving QHD displays that are twice the resolution of the Plus display.
Every iPhone on sales as of today get al day battery life.
And I don't care about features used on an operative system used barely by 5% of the phones.
And most , if not all, of the android devices throttle back after a few minutes because of their hardware (display included), with pumped up specs used as marketing gimmicks.
Being an android user I can understand you have no idea what a balanced device is. Very few are.
 
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Yes, I have a Galaxy S5 next to the iPhone 6S and NO there's nothing "more crisp and more sharp" on its display.
On the contrary its PenTile matrix bothers me ....



I'm quite sure almost no one buy an iPhone plus because of the slightly higher resolution or a marginally better camera. The difference is screen size.
In the real world only android customers choose a phone based on tech specs. It's quite normal since they have to choose from a plethora of otherwise identical uninspiring models.
The iPhone display is just gorgeous, and every scientific test demonstrated that.

Every iPhone on sales as of today get al day battery life.
And I don't care about features used on an operative system used barely by 5% of the phones.
And most , if not all, of the android devices throttle back after a few minutes because of their hardware (display included), with pumped up specs used as marketing gimmicks.
Being an android user I can understand you have no idea what a balanced device is. Very few are.

For an unbiased, open minded view, take off the Apple glasses.
 
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Is it going to be wise to skip their first iteration using OLED, or will it not matter? Any thoughts?
 
What you, and the guys upvoting you, completely ignore is that THE ONLY other high end 4.6-4.7" device out there, the Sony Z5 Compact (just like its predecessors) use a slightly lower 720P resolution...
You are the typical android users: attracted by NUMBERS without reasoning about what's behind those numbers.

Btw the iPhone 6S is a phone from 2015.... But please, feel free to show me another 4.7" high end device using an higher resolution.
Why should Android manufacturers make a 4.7 inch device when they can make a 5 inch that is the same dimensions as a 6s? There are many 5 inch phones that are atleast 1080p.
Keep justifying your outdated technology though. Then turn around and say 3.5mm Jack is outdated and we should look towards the future of wireless audio. I guess 720p is future of display tech.
 
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I don't have any Apple glasses, since they aren't selling any
Maybe you should take off your Samsung Gear VR ....

At least he's VR ready with 2560x1440 resolution while you're not with 1334x750 which is the resolution of free prepaid phones.

Keep up the apologies with how 1GB DRAM, 4", 750p, etc. are fine. It's entertaining.
 
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At least he's VR ready with 2560x1440 resolution while you're not with 1334x750 which is the resolution of free prepaid phones.

Keep up the apologies with how 1GB DRAM, 4", 750p, etc. are fine. It's entertaining.


Just pre-ordered the Galaxy; giving my wifey the Iphone 6. She's happy, and me too.

Don't wanna wait til 2017 to enjoy a good screen on my phone.
 
Why should Android manufacturers make a 4.7 inch device when they can make a 5 inch that is the same dimensions as a 6s? There are many 5 inch phones that are atleast 1080p.
Keep justifying your outdated technology though. Then turn around and say 3.5mm Jack is outdated and we should look towards the future of wireless audio. I guess 720p is future of display tech.
"Incidentally " the Sony z5 compact has a 4.6" display 720P....

I'm open minded and don't worship any company. You should give it a try.
I don't think so...

At least he's VR ready with 2560x1440 resolution while you're not with 1334x750 which is the resolution of free prepaid phones.

Keep up the apologies with how 1GB DRAM, 4", 750p, etc. are fine. It's entertaining.
Wow 2560x1440 ... Should I be impressed? I'm not an android user: those are just numbers for me.
My iPhone 6S still is, by far, the best phone on the market.
 
I've used an OLED HTC smartphone ~3 years ago for some days and it looks really great in-house. But when I go outside into the sun, I can't see anything compared to the iPhone display. That's a real showstopper for me. How is the OLED quality now outside of a building?
 
I've used an OLED HTC smartphone ~3 years ago for some days and it looks really great in-house. But when I go outside into the sun, I can't see anything compared to the iPhone display. That's a real showstopper for me. How is the OLED quality now outside of a building?

Here you go:

Screen Brightness and Performance in High Ambient Lighting

Mobile displays are often used under relatively bright ambient lighting, which washes out the image color saturation and contrast, reducing picture quality and making it harder to view or read the screen. To be usable in high ambient light a display needs a dual combination of high Screen Brightness and low screen Reflectance – the Galaxy S7 has both. For most image content the Galaxy S7 provides over 440 cd/m2 (Luminance, which is a measure of Brightness sometimes called nits), comparable or higher than most LCD displays in this size class. Its Screen Reflectance is 4.6 percent, close to the lowest that we have ever measured for a smartphone. Our Contrast Rating for High Ambient Light quantitatively measures screen visibility and image contrast under bright Ambient Lighting – the higher the better. As a result of its high Brightness and low Reflectance, the Galaxy S7 has a Contrast Rating for High Ambient Light that ranges from 88 to 118, among the highest that we have ever measured for a smartphone.



Higher Automatic Brightness

More importantly, on the Galaxy S7 the Maximum Brightness can go much higher when Automatic Brightness is turned On, so that users can’t permanently park the Manual Brightness slider to very high values, which would run down the battery quickly. High Screen Brightness is only needed for High Ambient Light, so turning Automatic Brightness On will provide better high ambient light screen visibility and also longer battery running time.



When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S7 produces up to an impressive 855 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light, where high Brightness is really needed – it is tied with the Galaxy Note 5 for the brightest mobile display that we have ever tested. As a result of its high Brightness and low Reflectance, the Galaxy S7 has a Contrast Rating for High Ambient Light that ranges from 119 to186, also the highest that we have ever measured for a Smartphone display. See the Brightness and Contrast, the High Ambient Light and the Screen Reflections sections for measurements and details.

Source: www.displaymate.com
 
Not saying the S7 display isn't fantastic, but DisplayMate has been proved biased toward Samsung several times in the recent past, so believe what you like to believe.
I still think OLED panels have several weak points and I'm very debated about an OLED panel on my next iPhone.
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Now that's an unbiased statement.
So I'm biased because I don't recognize the "indisputable superiority " of Android driven products ?
I'm sorry, having used several I still think they are inferior, by far...
 
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Not saying the S7 display isn't fantastic, but DisplayMate has been proved biased toward Samsung several times in the recent past, so believe what you like to believe.
I still think OLED panels have several weak points and I'm very debated about an OLED panel on my next iPhone.
How are they biased? Just curious. From what I've read on AVSForums they are pretty reliable. And as for OLED tech, yes it has imperfections, just like any other tech. But, Apple needs this display technology because LCD tech is old. By the way, I love your avatar.
 
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For a 4-5" display, 720P is more than enough.
You can even put a 4K panel on a 4.7" device: you are gaining NOTHING on the user's point of view. It's just marketing gimmick.

Lol no. The only marketing gimmick here is "retina". A 1080 or QHD display at 4.7" looks far better than 720p at the same size, whether you can see the pixels or not.

Compare them side by side before commenting on the matter again.

And then you have the VR benefits of s higher resolution too. Put a 6s in a Google Cardboard, it looks just awful.
 
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And then your screen is crap in 1 year;find, find some stats about this not being the case and then we'll talk.

I'm pretty tired of this disregarding one of the reason why OLED is problematic (and boosting luminosity would make it even more problematic). But, hey, who gives a crap, Android phones are completely disposable in 1.5-2 years anyway...
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How are they biased? Just curious. From what I've read on AVSForums they are pretty reliable. And as for OLED tech, yes it has imperfections, just like any other tech. But, Apple needs this display technology because LCD tech is old. By the way, I love your avatar.

Really, it's old, that's your argument. If the screen is crap in 2 year for OLED, well that shouldn't enter in the equation at all! Considering Apple devices are used for up to 4-5 years (when counting resale, gifting), that's one hell of a good reason to be careful hey. But, no, who cares beyond the first day.

Also, LCD's like Micro-LED are in fact a newer tech than OLED and would in fact be a better solution than it. So, is OLED a really old inadequate solution compared to that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED
 
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How are they biased? Just curious. From what I've read on AVSForums they are pretty reliable. And as for OLED tech, yes it has imperfections, just like any other tech. But, Apple needs this display technology because LCD tech is old. By the way, I love your avatar.
I don't know the reason why they are biased, but several others pointed out that...
DisplayMate isn't an independent website. They are selling calibration tools and we don't know what kind of commercial agreements they could have...

BTW that's not my point.
I'm still not convinced (AT ALL) OLED is the right tech for displays. It have several drawbacks , much more than LCD in my opinion. So I'm not sure I want an OLED panel on my next iPhone.

Lol no. The only marketing gimmick here is "retina". A 1080 or QHD display at 4.7" looks far better than 720p at the same size, whether you can see the pixels or not.

Compare them side by side before commenting on the matter again.

And then you have the VR benefits of s higher resolution too. Put a 6s in a Google Cardboard, it looks just awful.
"Retina" is just that: a marketing name. It was supposed to be that since the beginning.
The concept behind that isn't a marketing gimmick, but pure physic: there is no point in going above some resolutions on a 4-5" display.
And NO, definitely and forever NO, a 1080P resolution isn't inherently better than 750P on a 4.7" screen. There are many more factors that define a better display (color accuracy, brightness, reflectivity , angle of vision, etc.).
1080P and QHD are the new "megapixel": people just looking at numbers without a real understanding of what's behind those numbers.
1080P isnt better than 750P "no matter what". Thats just not true. Doesn't matter how many time android supporters will repeat it.
 
I don't know the reason why they are biased, but several others pointed out that...
DisplayMate isn't an independent website. They are selling calibration tools and we don't know what kind of commercial agreements they could have...

BTW that's not my point.
I'm still not convinced (AT ALL) OLED is the right tech for displays. It have several drawbacks , much more than LCD in my opinion. So I'm not sure I want an OLED panel on my next iPhone.


"Retina" is just that: a marketing name. It was supposed to be that since the beginning.
The concept behind that isn't a marketing gimmick, but pure physic: there is no point in going above some resolutions on a 4-5" display.
And NO, definitely and forever NO, a 1080P resolution isn't inherently better than 750P on a 4.7" screen. There are many more factors that define a better display (color accuracy, brightness, reflectivity , angle of vision, etc.).
1080P and QHD are the new "megapixel": people just looking at numbers without a real understanding of what's behind those numbers.
1080P isnt better than 750P "no matter what". Thats just not true. Doesn't matter how many time android supporters will repeat it.

But if the next iPhone has OLED, you'll buy it anyway. And you know Displaymate is biased but you don't know why. Priceless. I'm sure if they said the iPhone had the best display they wouldn't be biased.
 
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