Your definition of a smartphone does not fly - remember the Blackberry copied keyboard that was popular with a lot of people? That did not make the iPhone dumb (or not smart)!
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Take the plunge (pun intended). You can always come back to Apple if it's not for you.
But be careful, once you get used to a lot of Android features, it'll be like giving up Mac trackpads for Windows ones.
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Apple copying samsung again?
I wish Apple copied the hell out of Samsung and Android.
I'd love an Apple version of the Note5, complete with at least one dedicated back button and built in iPencil...
You are not the definitive person to define what a "smartphone" is or isnt
OLED panels from 4 years ago weren't any better than good LCDs...
Again this old adagio....
Efficiency ? Yes, OLED are more efficient than LCD.
Colors ? False. OLED aren't inherently more accurate than a good LCD panel.
Contrast ? This is just a false myth. If you measure the contrast going from 0 (true black, possible only on OLED) to 300, the contrast is BETTER than what you can find on an LCD going from 0.1 to, let me say, 500.
But the display in real life isn't any better !
I agree, there are some really good OLED panels out there, especially from Samsung, but I still prefer a good LCD, especially if they use a PenTile matrix.
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Easy answer: it's a clickbait.
Just put Apple and OLED on a thread and you'll see a crowd of Samsung supporters storming in saying: we have it since 1912
Apple never said they are going to switch to OLED... it's just a rumorIt's to get people talking, and to keep investors happy.
pathetic ? Who said it, you ?
Reality check: the only other decent 4.6" display (Sony Z5 Compact) is a 720P display. Another compact flagship from september 2015...
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Speaking about "multiple attacks", another bashing post by you ....
Burn in still is an issue and always will be, no matter how people try to twist it
You're kidding me, right? OLEDs have infinite contrast because the pixels are off. The transition going from completely off (pure black) to not off (close to pure black) is subtle and consistent, and contrasts then are still exceptional and better than LCDs.
And as I've tirelessly mentioned before, color saturation can be changed depending on what you're doing with OLED.
Adaptive changes modes based on what you're viewing, AMOLED cinema favors saturated colors for media consumption, AMOLED photo is full Adobe RGB (great for photo editing), and Basic is sRGB (what iPhones have). There's freedom to choose.
That's a store display model that's on 24 hours at 100% brightness so it doesn't count as normal use. My backup phone from 2012 with SAMOLED isn't affected and neither did the one from 2010.
Subject LCD to the same conditions and it'll have issues too. As a matter of fact, LCD is actually worse since out of the box they have issues with yellowing, pressure distortion, bad pixel(s), book spining, backlight bleed, uniformity issues, dust under screen, etc. that requires multiple swaps to get one that isn't so bad that you can live with.
No doubt. The iPhone brought a slicker user experience with capacitive multi-touch, but it certainly didn't have as many "features of a personal computer operating system" as others at the time. Before the iPhone days, I had a Windows CE smartphone that could remote desktop in to manage a server!
(Using the Wikipedia definition of smartphone: a mobile phone with an advanced mobile operating system which combines features of a personal computer operating system with other features useful for mobile or handheld use.)
and it doesn't run iOS.
and you pretend to speak for like the 95% of iPhone owners ?
nope.
On a prevailing white background as iOS is , OLED isn't more energy efficient than LCD....
the "next" iPhone are always the best...iPhone Xs are allways the best
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and you clearly didn't understand what I said, but don't worry: keep quoting Samsung's marketing campaign and enjoy your phone.
"infinite contrast" means nothing in real world.
False.
Burn in and degradation over the time still are an issue with EVERY organic (if you know what it rally means) display.
Light output (brightness)
Winner: LCD
Loser: OLED
Black level
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Contrast ratio
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Refresh rate and motion blur
Winner: LCD
Loser: OLED
Expanded Color Gamut
Winner: LCD
Loser: OLED (for now)
Viewing angle
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Uniformity
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Energy consumption
Winner: LED LCD
Runner-up: OLED
And the picture quality winner is...OLED
I have an OLED TV, and it's stunning, if i could make love to it i would... given a choice id take an OLED screen over LCD alternative.
Winner: LCD
Loser: OLED
Black level
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Contrast ratio
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Refresh rate and motion blur
Winner: LCD
Loser: OLED
Expanded Color Gamut
Winner: LCD
Loser: OLED (for now)
Viewing angle
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Uniformity
Winner: OLED
Loser: LCD
Energy consumption
Winner: LED LCD
Runner-up: OLED
And the picture quality winner is...OLED
I have an OLED TV, and it's stunning, if i could make love to it i would... given a choice id take an OLED screen over LCD alternative.
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And my point was that the iPhone wasn't the first smartphone. There were a good number of touchscreen smartphones before the iPhone came along. Stuff like the Thera models.
I forgot that the tenth anniversary is coming next year. Marking that milestone with a one-year-old design wouldn't look that good, plus the rumors pointing toward the convergence of several new features that will be ready for production and meets Apple's standard for expected margins (mLED, real wireless charging, dual-lens cameras for all models) in 2017...
It's also possible that next year's iPhone will be released 2-3 months earlier (June, July)???
Input methods are meaningless. In the future, smartphones might be mind controlled or use hand air gestures or read our facial moods. Many current ones can use a stylus or voice control.
Using your definition, the iPhone isn't a smartphone whenever we use Siri, because it doesn't rely on multi-touch input.
Here you are correct. The first iPhone wasn't considered a real smartphone for its first year because it had no official IDE or app store. Multi-touch didn't change that one bit.
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Who cares for Ford. Daimler Benz invented automobile.
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Crap is an extreme. They would get a midrange version.
You completely missed the point of the conversation. Try reading next time. The point wasn't that the inventor matters (and there's plenty of debate as to if Benz even created the first one). The important thing is who did it best.
OLED came out well before that, and appeared in phones before 2009 (the original Galaxy, the GT-I7500, had an AMOLED screen)
However these OLED displays were TERRIBLE! and remained TERRIBLE until 2013/2014: The Galaxy S4 (2013) is where OLED finally matched LCD in quality, but was still more power hungry, the s5 was very similar to the s4, and still power hungry, it was the s6 that really finally surpassed the LCDs in the Iphone, and that was a 2015 Phone, and it still suffers from some burn in issues.
So please don't pretend that OLED has been far and away the better display for years:
--For example--
Just look at the Galaxy S1 vs Iphone 4 (both 2010 phones)
the OLED Galaxy:
has 30% less pixel DPI
has 75% less sub pixels (due to it's pentile layout)
has 45% less brightness
is nearly 50% off of white balance.
has high off angle color shifts.
all while using up to 3.7 TIMES as much power.
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we all know it apple fanboys will nag about negatives of oled displays until apple adopts them next year. Next year, these burn in issues will magically disappear when apple uses the sammy amoled panels in just 1 year time.
The reason Apple is waiting till then for OLED is simply because of cost and ironing out any issues. OLED has always been the best screen technology and it's main claim to fame is it uses no backlight as all OLED pixels are self-illuminating. This means not more BLU (Backlighting Unit) issues and no more "spotlighting" problems. However, as with all technology there are also drawbacks, and for OLED these include:-
1. Lifespan - Degradation occurs because of the accumulation of nonradiative recombination centers and luminescence quenchers in the emissive zone. It is said that the chemical breakdown in the semiconductors occurs in four steps: 1) recombination of charge carriers through the absorption of UV light, 2) homolytic dissociation, 3) subsequent radical addition reactions that form π radicals, and 4) disproportionation between two radicals resulting in hydrogen-atom transfer reactions. However, some manufacturers' displays aim to increase the lifespan of OLED displays, pushing their expected life past that of LCD displays by improving light outcoupling, thus achieving the same brightness at a lower drive current.
2. Colour Balance - This has been the sticking point as most displays, including those use with Samsung seem to show oversaturated colours, and not not real-life accurate. It's akin to changing all your TV settings to max and it looks artificial / fake. Additionally, as the OLED material used to produce blue light degrades significantly more rapidly than the materials that produce other colors, blue light output will decrease relative to the other colors of light. This variation in the differential color output will change the color balance of the display and is much more noticeable than a decrease in overall luminance.
This can be avoided partially by adjusting color balance, but this may require advanced control circuits and interaction with the user, which is unacceptable for users. More commonly, though, manufacturers optimize the size of the R, G and B subpixels to reduce the current density through the subpixel in order to equalize lifetime at full luminance. For example, a blue subpixel may be 100% larger than the green subpixel. The red subpixel may be 10% smaller than the green.
Another important fact is some Samsung displays use a Pentile Matrix display system which is not as good as the RGB colour system. In effect the RGB pixels are shared amongst the rest which reduced image clarity and accuracy. Read more here: http://www.oled-info.com/pentile
Excerpt "Samsung's Pentile matrix technology is a sub-pixel design architecture family. The basic PenTile structure is the RGBG matrix. In RGBG PenTile displays there are only two subpixels per pixel, with twice as many green pixels than red and blue ones. You can see a PenTile matrix vs a Real-Stripe one on the images below".
3. Power Consumption - the big caveat - While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image that is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD. However, an OLED can use more than three times as much power to display an image with a white background, such as a document or web site. This can lead to reduced battery life in mobile devices, when white backgrounds are used.
So all in all yes OLED is best however I do believe this over-saturation issue with colours which don't occur on LCD must be overcome and if a lot of your Apps / Games have white backgrounds, this will drain the battery quite rapidly.
1. Lifespan - Degradation occurs because of the accumulation of nonradiative recombination centers and luminescence quenchers in the emissive zone. It is said that the chemical breakdown in the semiconductors occurs in four steps: 1) recombination of charge carriers through the absorption of UV light, 2) homolytic dissociation, 3) subsequent radical addition reactions that form π radicals, and 4) disproportionation between two radicals resulting in hydrogen-atom transfer reactions. However, some manufacturers' displays aim to increase the lifespan of OLED displays, pushing their expected life past that of LCD displays by improving light outcoupling, thus achieving the same brightness at a lower drive current.
2. Colour Balance - This has been the sticking point as most displays, including those use with Samsung seem to show oversaturated colours, and not not real-life accurate. It's akin to changing all your TV settings to max and it looks artificial / fake. Additionally, as the OLED material used to produce blue light degrades significantly more rapidly than the materials that produce other colors, blue light output will decrease relative to the other colors of light. This variation in the differential color output will change the color balance of the display and is much more noticeable than a decrease in overall luminance.
This can be avoided partially by adjusting color balance, but this may require advanced control circuits and interaction with the user, which is unacceptable for users. More commonly, though, manufacturers optimize the size of the R, G and B subpixels to reduce the current density through the subpixel in order to equalize lifetime at full luminance. For example, a blue subpixel may be 100% larger than the green subpixel. The red subpixel may be 10% smaller than the green.
Another important fact is some Samsung displays use a Pentile Matrix display system which is not as good as the RGB colour system. In effect the RGB pixels are shared amongst the rest which reduced image clarity and accuracy. Read more here: http://www.oled-info.com/pentile
Excerpt "Samsung's Pentile matrix technology is a sub-pixel design architecture family. The basic PenTile structure is the RGBG matrix. In RGBG PenTile displays there are only two subpixels per pixel, with twice as many green pixels than red and blue ones. You can see a PenTile matrix vs a Real-Stripe one on the images below".
3. Power Consumption - the big caveat - While an OLED will consume around 40% of the power of an LCD displaying an image that is primarily black, for the majority of images it will consume 60–80% of the power of an LCD. However, an OLED can use more than three times as much power to display an image with a white background, such as a document or web site. This can lead to reduced battery life in mobile devices, when white backgrounds are used.
So all in all yes OLED is best however I do believe this over-saturation issue with colours which don't occur on LCD must be overcome and if a lot of your Apps / Games have white backgrounds, this will drain the battery quite rapidly.
So... what you're asserting is that Apple Fanbois will do what Samsung Fanbois are doing now?
nothing about fanboyism. It is just being objective. Modern day OLED panels are much superior period and Apple is behind. Period.
Just like PCI nand flash on iphone 6s is superior to UFS nand flash on android devices.
Just like ddr4 is superior to ddr3 ram. Period. No point in overly justifying things.
If people are paying $750 plus for their phones, they deserve the best. And increasingly Apple is falling behind in many things which they did not in earlier days.
You're saying there are zero cons to OLED?... because that's demonstrably false. There are pros and cons to BOTH technologies. It's an easy search to do. Numerous objective tech sites have covered both. What you may value under OLED another person may find the downsides to not be acceptable. OLED isn't the magical end-all solution to display technology. And neither is LED. Scroll up, someone posted a short simplified comparison of both techs.
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Perfect example of objective reasons why OLED isn't the answer to everything. The comparison that Tomal made of DDR3 vs DDR4 and applying it to this situation isn't even remotely similar.
there is no other company that can manufacture semiconductors at that scale.
No such cons which the poster mentioned. Most of them like screen burn in dont happen in normal usage. Plus OLED have best color accuracy but in many samsung devices, there is a software setting that allows it to become oversaturated by default which you can turn off. And longevity is not an issue if you dont use your device for 10 plus years.
It is like that samsung vs TSMC A9 SOC benchmarking differences. Under normal usage, the cons between samsung and TSMC dont appear at all unless you are nitpicking about stuffs. OLEDs are superior period. And I dont even want to mention or talk about 750p resolution of regular iphone 6s which is a joke. All 1080p videos have to be downscaled at this weird resolution for no good reason at all.
You basically just said you don't know how to read; every tech has pros and cons and OLED still have some cons against it. There are other upcoming LED tech that may best it soon before it even becomes mainstream.
all right then dont nag about OLED when Apple adopts it next year. I am sure many here will forget about the cons and suddenly will find Apple's OLED displays magical. Mark my words ......
No, I don't remember Blackberry. They've been about as present in Europe as Microsoft's Zune.
Nope, not a smartphone.
If you tried to bring drop down menus to phones,
you're definetly not yet a real smartphone.
If you tried to bring drop down menus to phones,
you're definetly not yet a real smartphone.
I'll promise you, the first functional device with mind control as its primary input method for doing everything will no longer be called a smartphone. It will open up a completely new category of computers under a new name. People will want to distinguish mind and touch devices as they did between mouse and touch.
Siri is a gimmick used for a few simple tricks. Try to play Angry Birds with Siri and you'll see how far away it is from being a primary input method.
I didn't say, everything that has multi-touch is a smartphone. I said, if it doesn't have multi-touch, it's not a smartphone. A necessary but not sufficient condition. The smartphone era begins with iPhoneOS 2.