Apple Poaching Gaming PR Execs from Activision and Nintendo

[bugfaceuk]

Naah. That's not it. Try again.

Um... it is actually.

Hardcore is defined as the "the most active member of a group or sub-class of individuals" used an an adjective as it is in hardcore gamer that means "the most active gamer".

Hardcore means the gamers that game the most. If you have a Mac there is a great dictionary app built in.

 

[Photics]

Get off your friggin high horse when saying that App store gaming isn't real gaming.

I liked reading your post. I pretty much agree with you wrote. Heh, I think video games kept me out of trouble too. I also think Nintendo is scared about the falling price of software. That's where their money comes from. For almost three decades, Nintendo has been making a lot of money by releasing consoles to sell their software at a premium.

An excellent example... is Urban Champion on Wiiware really worth $5?
That's madness! A title like that would get crushed on the iTunes App Store.

Although... I think iOS is geared more towards casual games, because that's easier to create on the system. Yet, I'm investing time and money in seeing if there is a market for "hardcore" games. I think there is. That's why I'm building BOT.

Apple is one step away from crushing Nintendo... that's adding an App Store to the Apple TV.

This hardcore vs. casual debate misses the main point. Nintendo was seen as the more casual of the big three console makers. Yet, Nintendo dominated the first few years of this generation's console war. If Apple enters this arena, it's big trouble for Nintendo... and the other console makers.

Heh, but as a developer, it's really cool for me. Apple has built something amazing here. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo... they could have made it easier for independent developers, but they didn't. Apple is now in a great position to dramatically change the way the industry works — and I think it's for the better.

I wandered into Best Buy last Christmas season and I saw the game of life in 3D on the XBOX. I thought it was a great way to modernize a classic game. I was getting ready to buy the XBOX 360. But then, lots of great iOS games started going on sale for 99¢ each. I bought nine... NINE NEW GAMES for less than $10.

If Nintendo doesn't adapt, it could be big trouble for them. I've seen the 3DS and I'm not impressed. I think the iPhone 4 is a much better portable gaming machine.

 

[sinsin07]

Nope didn't escape me, I just don't agree with you or think it's worth discuss products that don't exist yet and comparing them to ones that do. That's not a "it's not fair" issue, that's a "stop suggesting a product you can't buy is better than one you can". You've not used one for any period of time that is meaningful, stop listing it as a better gaming experience.

The fact that you make a range of posts across a thread is not an excuse to make lazy assertions in one.

I'm glad you acknowledge that this is a scenario perfect for iOS, now try it in a few more. You won't regret it.

The lazy assertation is of your own making. I was expressing my desire for a future purchase of an NGP. Nothing more. If that is upsetting you, too bad. If you bothred to read, you would have noticed I said that earlier. Your "revalation" is nothing more than a "lazy assertions".

 

[bugfaceuk]

I liked reading your post. I pretty much agree with you wrote. I think Nintendo is scared about the falling price of software. That's where their money comes from. For almost three decades, Nintendo has been making a lot of money by releasing consoles to sell their software at a premium.

An excellent example... is Urban Champion on Wiiware really worth $5?
That's madness! A title like that would get crushed on the iTunes App Store.

Although... I think iOS is geared more towards casual games, because that's easier to create on the system. Yet, I'm investing time and money in seeing if there is a market for "hardcore" games. I think there is. That's why I'm building BOT.

Apple is one step away from crushing Nintendo... that's adding an App Store to the Apple TV.

This hardcore vs. casual debate misses the main point. Nintendo was seen as the more casual of the big three console makers. Yet, Nintendo dominated the first few years of this generation's console war. If Apple enters this arena, it's big trouble for Nintendo... and the other console makers.

Heh, but as a developer, it's really cool for me. Apple has built something amazing here. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo... they could have made it easier for independent developers, but they didn't. Apple is now in a great position to dramatically change the way the industry works — and I think it's for the better.

I wandered into Best Buy last Christmas season and I saw the game of life in 3D on the XBOX. I thought it was a great way to modernize a classic game. I was getting ready to buy the XBOX 360. But then, lots of great iOS games started going on sale for 99¢ each. I bought nine... NINE NEW GAMES for less than $10.

If Nintendo doesn't adapt, it could be big trouble for them. I've seen the 3DS and I'm not impressed. I think the iPhone 4 is a much better portable gaming machine.

Dude, Nintendo is not about to be crushed by Apple. That suggest a REAL lack of understanding about any market, let alone this one and this player.

Nintendo does need to adapt, but it could do that in a number of ways that would see it remain successful and a core contributor. I happen to believe their core competence is in developing games, and they would be well served on iOS.

I'm sorry, I don't judge the quality of a game by how cheap it is. EVEN IF YOU PUT IT IN CAPS.

 

[bugfaceuk]

The lazy assertation is of your own making. I was expressing my desire for a future purchase of an NGP. Nothing more. If that is upsetting you, too bad. If you bothred to read, you would have noticed I said that earlier. Your "revalation" is nothing more than a "lazy assertation".

What's an assertation?

 

[Photics]

Dude, Nintendo is not about to be crushed by Apple. That suggest a REAL lack of understanding about any market, let alone this one and this player.

If you don't believe me, there's plenty of history to read. Just go look at the following industries that were disrupted by technology...

• Music
• Book Publishing
• Newspaper Publishing
• Movie rentals (Blockbuster)

Angry Birds, Osmos, Fruit Ninja, Cut the Rope... these are great games that would be $20-$40 on the Nintendo DS. Reality is starting to hit. Consumers are starting to wake up. People don't have to leave the house with Batman's Utility Belt of technology. I'm not going to pay $249 for a 3DS when I already have an iPhone 4. It costs less and it does much more... except that gimmicky 3D stuff. That's not new technology either. It didn't really catch on in the 50's. So if that's Nintendo's defense against 100 million iPhones, I think it looks very bad for Nintendo.

 

[deadkennedy]

Let the games begin!

 

[sinsin07]

What's an assertation?

Thank you. Corrected.

 

[bugfaceuk]

Heh, you put "REAL" in caps.

If you don't believe me, there's plenty of history to read. Just go look at the following industries that were disrupted by technology...

• Music
• Book Publishing
• Newspaper Publishing
• Movie rentals (Blockbuster)

Angry Birds, Osmos, Fruit Ninja, Cut the Rope... these are great games that would be $20-$40 on the Nintendo DS. Reality is starting to hit. Consumers are starting to wake up. People don't have to leave with Batman's Utility Belt of technology. I'm not going to pay $249 for a 3DS when I already have an iPhone 4. It costs less and it does much more... except that gimmicky 3D stuff. That's not new technology either. It didn't really catch on in the 50's. So if that's Nintendo's defense against 100 million iPhones, I think it looks very bad for Nintendo.

Dude, if you are offering a bet that Nintendo are going the way of Blockbuster, I'll take it.

 

[carmenodie]

Ummm.... everyone that's into gaming HATES Activision.

So does that means you didn't like Jungle Hunt?

 

[sinsin07]

If you don't believe me, there's plenty of history to read. Just go look at the following industries that were disrupted by technology...

• Music
• Book Publishing
• Newspaper Publishing
• Movie rentals (Blockbuster)

Angry Birds, Osmos, Fruit Ninja, Cut the Rope... these are great games that would be $20-$40 on the Nintendo DS. Reality is starting to hit. Consumers are starting to wake up. People don't have to leave the house with Batman's Utility Belt of technology. I'm not going to pay $249 for a 3DS when I already have an iPhone 4. It costs less and it does much more... except that gimmicky 3D stuff. That's not new technology either. It didn't really catch on in the 50's. So if that's Nintendo's defense against 100 million iPhones, I think it looks very bad for Nintendo.

Nah. All those games you mentioned would be part of a pack of 25 on Nintendo for 19.99 like Namco museum.

 

[iMattcotv]

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I love how people are comparing an iOS device with a PS3 or Xbox..

Classic Chalk or Pen post.

 

[bugfaceuk]

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I love how people are comparing an iOS device with a PS3 or Xbox..

Classic Chalk or Pen post.

I understand your point, but think the fact that they are says a lot about how gaming has changed over the last 4 years.

 

[bugfaceuk]

Nah. All those games you mentioned would be part of a pack of 25 on Nintendo for 19.99 like Namco museum.

Or would be part of a larger game as sub-games. Nintendo do understand this kind of gaming but package it differently. I am not at all convinced that that packaging & pricing strategy would not work on iOS.

 

[bugfaceuk]

So does that means you didn't like Jungle Hunt?

Or that millions don't play WOW.

 

[Photics]

Nah. All those games you mentioned would be part of a pack of 25 on Nintendo for 19.99.

I see lots of opinion here, but not a lot of facts. While there are some retro packs, where is a collection of 25 games — less than a year old — for the Nintendo DS?

Here's more like reality...
Bookworm... $20 on the Nintendo DS, but 99¢-$2.99 on iPhone.

 

[bugfaceuk]

I see lots of opinion here, but not a lot of facts. While there are some retro packs, where is a collection of 25 games — less than a year old — for the Nintendo DS?

Here's more like reality...
Bookworm... $20 on the Nintendo DS, but 99¢-$2.99 on iPhone.

Before you point out the mote in our eyes, remove the plank from your own. What is the claim that Nintendo will go the way of Blockbuster other than opinion?

The plethora of mini-game based Wii games is a fact. The fact that those specific titles have not been ported to iOS (although I suspect that if I looked I'd find facsimiles of all languishing as failed $.99 games) does not invalidate the point.

 

[bugfaceuk]

If Nintendo doesn't adapt, it could be big trouble for them. I've seen the 3DS and I'm not impressed. I think the iPhone 4 is a much better portable gaming machine.

I've just read the linked article... cannot stop laughing at

"Closing one of my eyes would also cancel the [3D] effect"

You know how stereoscopic vision works, right?

 

[lifeinhd]

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This comes at the same time that the Guardian reports that a Admob survey shows interesting results as far as tablet use :

Research finds that 84% of tablet owners are playing games

Was Steve wrong about tablets afterall ? They aren't the cars while the laptops/desktops are the trucks, tablets are the ATVs and motorcycle and laptops/desktops remain entrenched as the daily commuters...

Is the tablet replacing the traditional portable gaming system like the Nintendo DS, PSP more than it is the PC ?

Correlation does not imply causation. I'm sure there are people who game on their iPads but also game on consoles, as well as people who game on iPads but also use their iPads for stuff they used to do mostly on their computers.

 

[Photics]

I love how people are comparing an iOS device with a PS3 or Xbox..

That's where things are going.

I read that a new XBOX might not be released for another 5 years and that the PlayStation is on a 10 year schedule. If that's actually the schedule, then the consoles could face serious competition from iOS and Android games.

The graphics difference from the first iPhone to the iPhone 4 or iPad 2 is a great comparison. That's just four years. What if that advancement continues for the next four years — which is very likely — the graphics could be amazing on iOS devices.

If the Apple TV — basically an iOS device — starts playing games, or if the iPad 2 matures as a gaming console (as it already plugs into the TV), how is that not competition for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo?

I think it makes sense to compare Apple to the XBOX 360 and PlayStation 3. I'm not impressed with what I see on the consoles. Infamous is one of the best looking games on the PS3. Is it worth $60 to me? Ha, no! Instead, I bought cheaper games like Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix and Pac Man Championship Edition DX. Those are two great games... and both could be moved to iOS, and it would likely be cheaper.

 

[sinsin07]

Or would be part of a larger game as sub-games. Nintendo do understand this kind of gaming but package it differently. I am not at all convinced that that packaging & pricing strategy would not work on iOS.

I like this term, very good!!! Subgames. (This is not to be taken as sarcasm.) With your permission, I'm going to use this from now on.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

New Mario DS has sold 25 million copies. It's the 9th best selling game of all time. So clearly a lot of people are buying Mario for £25 when Angry Birds is 59p.

Pokemon Black and White is new (released in Japan late last year, here just last month), £25-30 and has sold 10 million copies. All whilst Angry Birds has been 59p.

WiiFit Plus has been out a couple of years (like Angry Birds), and costs between £20-70 and has sold 18.72 million copies/units. All whilst Angry Birds has been 59p.

All of that is true but my point is regarding the future. Nintendo and Sony are sitting ducks if they continue their current strategy. You are 100% correct, both have legacy customer to support the sales of new platform titles. However, that is going to fade as a new generation grows up on iOS, not Nintendo or Sony, portable gaming.

Nintendo DS is to Blackberry what Blackberry was to 2006. It's only personal observation, but the preteen and even pre-pre teen set I see now has iPod touches, not the Gameboys or DSes of carried in my gen, as the preferred device. A lot of that has to do with Apple, but more so with the price of games.

 

[Photics]

You know how stereoscopic vision works, right?

I know how the 3DS works, but it was still fun to try.

Basically, the 3DS has an 800 x 240 display. It's using double the pixels to recreate the 3D effect, by creating the same image twice, but slightly adjusted to mimic three dimensions.

I think this is a horrible design choice, as the graphics looked blocky to me. I think Apple made the better decision. The extra resolution on the Retina Displays is used to make the graphics more crisp. I think it looks great! A sharper screen makes it more pleasant to use my iPhone, where the 3D effect made it more uncomfortable to use the 3DS.

Before you point out the mote in our eyes, remove the plank from your own.

If I had a plank in my eye, the 3D effect on the 3DS would be useless anyway.

 

[g.fabian]

Great news. Bring on more Infinity Blade-esque games!

Ehh.. I was pretty geeked out about how stunning the graphics were but to be honest, they need to come out with a peripheral controller or SOMEthing because with the touchscreen, the dynamic of the games are SOOOO limited..

 

[bugfaceuk]

I like this term, very good!!! Subgames. (This is not to be taken as sarcasm.) With your permission, I'm going to use this from now on.

Um... it's not my term... I was publishing games with sub-games in back on the Amiga.

BUT feel free to use it!