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Apple Poaching Gaming PR Execs from Activision and Nintendo
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Yeah, of course there is a difference on a console. I thought we were comparing hand helds. And I'm not claiming the iphone is the best experience for a lot of games (notice that I've pretty much said that PoP and Assassin's Creed would do better with buttons but for my purposes it's still fun on touchscreen).
I'm not claiming I'm some sort of hard core gamer.
But what I am claiming, is that there are *good* games on the iphone that are more than just "timewasters" (Well, honestly, any game is a "timewaster" if you think about it. Do you really think you do anything productive when you game? No. You do it for fun in your free time). But there are games that you can get into and play for more than five minutes (stuff that isn't the Angry Birds type game). Games that have me put down my computer and actually focus on them for long periods of time. I'm really happy to see that happen more on the iphone. I love that Square has started putting games on (if you can't tell, they're one of my favorite game makers
. But Gameloft has started getting my love too).That's what I'm saying.
Pretty much. It's kinda stupid to compare the iphone to a PS3 or Xbox. That's apples and oranges. No handheld is going to compare to something like that, if nothing else for having a large screen and a controller that really is designed to be a controller (and not a controller and a screen in one. No handheld can be as easy to use as a controller as a dedicated controller, which btw, I totally prefer the Playstation's/Playstation 2 controller. That was the most ergonomic controller I've experienced but I haven't had a console since the PS2. It's about as much difference in experience as a touch screen vs. buttons really. I always find handheld games are more awkward to control and have my hands cramp up. But the point of them is portability so you do make compromises).
And this is exactly what I'm trying to say
. I'm sorry, that game is not worth 10 bux. I'd rate it as 5 at most (mostly for actual moving graphics rather than the static graphics of a lot of .99 cent games but I'd say gameplay is about as fun as the .99 cent games. It's a game I might have fun for a little bit but I'd drop and ignore and not play again. As I said, there are .99 cent games for the iphone that I'd consider have longer playability than that game).
Honestly, just cause it's on a dedicated gaming system doesn't make it a better game.
Yep, like I just did. It does tend to make people think that way. That's exactly what I thought when I played the game (This is like those cheesy little .99 cent games on my iphone except it has more moving animations and 3D and honestly, the 3D doesn't really add that much to it. It's neat but it's still gimmicky). I think some articles I read said it right, Nintendo needs to get some games that actually use the 3d as part of the game, not just use it as a neat extra effect (where you could play the game just as well w/out the 3d) if they really want the 3Ds to take off and the 3d technology to be seen as something that really does add value.
I've already said I might buy an iPad if I had extra money for a toy. But I don't think the iPad or tablets replace computers for actual productive work.
Not saying they aren't good for some types of productive work (like my roommate who is a pilot wants a 7" ipad for use on the plane, they already have the software he's wanting but the size of the ipad now won't fit where he'd want to use it). But there is definitely a lot of productive work that still is better done on a computer.
I think it's getting better though. Yeah, most of the "Good" games are ports from other systems, but for me being on a budget and can't really buy an extra toy (the iphone also functions as my phone and I share a plan so I can deal with that), I'll take it. And honestly, the iphone does have one big advantage over handhelds that I would consider even if I did have the extra money, it's a lot more portable. All those handhelds are much bigger than the iPhone. And for hand held gaming, I want something that can go with me where I happen to be. To me the point of hand held gaming is to be portable. If I really want to worry about dedicated graphics and the gaming experience without compromise, I'll play my consoles at home
(and my computer for flight simulators, cause that's something consoles and handhelds can't do properly as they don't have enough buttons to do a more true to life experience).
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Watch as Apple continues to drink Nintendo and Sony's milkshakes. It amazing that Nintendo is so dismissive of Apple's devices, when Apple is doing exactly what Nintendo did with the Wii. Blue Ocean strategy.
Hey the more games the better. Who knows they might have the next great thing.....
Here is a question. Why (if you want to see good games on the iphone) would you want Nintendo (and Sony's gaming department) to go away?
As some one pointed out in some other forum, all the really good, non-angry-birds/cut-the-rope, traditional style (racing, jrpgs, simulators, shooters) games seem to be ports from the other handhelds. In general companies like Squaresoft tend to port over games they've made on other handhelds to make more money on the iphone (usually after they've made their money on the handhelds).
If the other handhelds go away, do you think we'll see more of that style game for handhelds? Or do you think gaming will go more the way of the social (Freemium) gaming (farmville, ick. I admittedly got into these games when I first was on facebook but after a while realized there was absolutely no substance at all and it was just a game of accumulate stuff with no real "game") and puzzle games (cut the rope/Angry birds. fine for a little time wasting but not something you really immerse yourself in, though I will say some are much better than others).
I have nothing against puzzle games (But I would be pissed if social/freemium gaming became the pretty much norm) but I still love my jrpgs and my racing games and my flight simulators. And I'm really getting into third person rpgs (Prince of Persian, Assassin's Creed... oddly, these I didn't have as much interest until I got an iphone which I admit is not the best format for them but they're still fun on it). I'd hate to see them go away.
(and somewhere on the net is a really good rant on why freemium games really isn't a great style of gaming, how just paying some money to get that extra incentive takes away from the actual fun of playing the game vs. actually working in the game to get that stuff).
If many iphone users are like me , they are all waiting for the next iphone with more storage capacity. I want as few things on me as possible. Car keys, Wallet, iphone that's it.
Can't see the "cloud" experience yet (whatever that will be) for everything until the data pricing is competitive. I see a lot of very young kids already with an iphone, so no Nintendo needed if all the hot games or similar ones come out on the ios.
Nintendo could split itself up into:
Game consoles for big screen home gaming with elaborate controllers etc.
and port whatever into a possible into a division via itunes.
Or plan B come out with a phone/device that does their games and the stuff the iphone does.
Wait! We have that already
Next industries that have to adjust:
Cable and dish suppliers (Content providers will go direct)
Cell phone providers
When everything is "smart phone saturated" I envision other players buying data capacity at bulk rates and gop under the main providers rates.
Could also see Apple to get into that game. Has been rumored, but is too early.
Go away? i didn't say that.
No, a merger by acquisition which would result in a merging of the Wii and Apple TV of course.
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LOL probably my favorite smack down of all time
Benjamins said:Ahhh. A Gamer. Thanks.
I'm happy for the people who enjoy the IOS time killers. It's good to have a device you enjoy. But all these other assertations are born a of lack of understanding of the console experience, and to a degree the handheld experience.
LOL because swinging a wand or jumping around in front of a webcam is so hardcore.
LOL probably my favorite smack down of all time
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Agreed. No sensationalism please. Other sites do this to manipulate their members into clicking on the link.
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Agreed. No sensationalism please. Other sites do this to manipulate their members into clicking on the link.
Hard core gaming is PC gaming. Why because you have to really care about the quality of your games to go out and spend 1000 plus just to play games.
Second iOS devices are not competing with nintendo or Sony's portables. People buy an iPhone as a phone, not to play games and the same goes with all the iOS devices. People Pick up a Portable game like a DS or PSP to play games not to listen to music not to surf the web or watch movies. You are comparing a device that does gaming as a secondary function to something that was developed for the one purpose of gaming.
Second iOS devices are not competing with nintendo or Sony's portables. People buy an iPhone as a phone, not to play games and the same goes with all the iOS devices. People Pick up a Portable game like a DS or PSP to play games not to listen to music not to surf the web or watch movies. You are comparing a device that does gaming as a secondary function to something that was developed for the one purpose of gaming.
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He took your advice and said "great" in agreement and you call him a d**k? Sounds like your projecting? Maybe we didn't get the whole story?
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He took your advice and said "great" in agreement and you call him a d**k? Sounds like your projecting? Maybe we didn't get the whole story?
I still cannot believe that there aren't decent turn base strategy games on the iphone. Games like tactics ogre, final fantasy tactics, front mission, and the like would be excellent in a mobile device. I remember square announced FFT for the iphone a while back but it still was not released.
I would love if they ported PS1 and N64 classics to the iphone/ipad. Can you imagine playing FF7-9, Smash Brothers, Parasite Eve, platformers like Megaman, and even Resident Evil 1-3 (the RE4 port was dreadful, but I can see it being done properly).
I would love if they ported PS1 and N64 classics to the iphone/ipad. Can you imagine playing FF7-9, Smash Brothers, Parasite Eve, platformers like Megaman, and even Resident Evil 1-3 (the RE4 port was dreadful, but I can see it being done properly).
They're starting to. They at least have FFI-III on the iphone. Plus at least two new ones made specifically for iphone (Chaos Rings, Eternal Legacy - which apparently is a FFVIII clone from GameLoft. There is also Song Summoner, another squaresoft game, which actually was made for the ipod with the click wheel and ported over to ipod touch/iphone). So, it's starting to get there
. I'm totally with you though. There are actually a few more by other companies other than Square or Gameloft if you look, I just can't remember them off the top of my head.I'm so cheering for FFVII on the iphone (and yeah, parasite eve would be cool I guess but I wasn't into the whole reflexes added in gameplay. But I really love the story/atmosphere of Parasite Eve but I'll admit I enjoyed watching other people play it more than playing it).
meh, 40 games at $0.99 is alot better than one game at $40. I dont care how you put it, you cant argue that.
BTW my iphone 3gs easily gets a whole days battery. Thats with me using it all day including for games (no gps nav.) I would say YOUR iPhone has a bad battery, probably from bad charging habits and being left in the cold. But because YOUR iphone has a bad battery, I would not sum up all iPhones. The world does not revolve around you.
Very exciting. Can't wait to see where this is all headed.
Imagine iPhone 7, 8, 9, they are going to be incredible!
Imagine iPhone 7, 8, 9, they are going to be incredible!
