Apple Posts Mac OS 10.5 Leopard Guided Tour

[Quillz]

And how many people downloaded MSN desktop search? Nobody that I knew of besides the MS trolls in my other Mac forums. Every Tiger user got spotlight, and it wasn't some bolted on feature. Also, Vista were supposed to take this idea to a new level with WinFS ...look how that turned out


Um, no. I don't care that MS copies from Apple. ...and if "Happy Customer" == "Fanboy" ...then I guess that is what I am. I'm sure forums everywhere thank you for your amazing insight.

Why don't you actually go research what WinFS actually was and then come back and reply. Apparently, no one but "MS trolls" seems to understand WinFS is not a replacement to NTFS, it's simply something that runs on top of it.

 

[Quillz]

Sometimes I wonder if there is some company out there that hires people to put the word "Fanboy" into forums. If you can answer this question for me I'd love to sign up.

Narcissism ...it's what's for breakfast.

Nope, I'm not hired by any company. But I think there's a clear distinction between a fan of Apple hardware and a blind fanboy of Apple. Posts like "OMG!! LEOPARD IS SO PERFECT!! LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" is clearly a fanboy post. No research, no thought, no sources or examples put into their "arguments." Meanwhile, the true Apple fan is critical. They agree that Leopard is a great OS, but it has flaws and weaknesses and they are willing to point them out. These are the kinds of people that would actually give meaningful feedback to Apple to help them improve their next OS revision.

 

[zweigand]

Why don't you actually go research what WinFS actually was and then come back and reply. Apparently, no one but "MS trolls" seems to understand WinFS is not a replacement to NTFS, it's simply something that runs on top of it.

When did I ever say that WinFS replaced NTFS? Not only that, but why does that matter at all? The only thing I brought up was that WinFS was trashed.

 

[Quillz]

When did I ever say that WinFS replaced NTFS? Not only that, but why does that matter at all? The only thing I brought up was that WinFS was trashed.

And this proves that you've done no reasearch at all. WinFS was not trashed, and is in fact still in development and is being added to other Microsoft products outside of Vista.

 

[zweigand]

Nope, I'm not hired by any company. But I think there's a clear distinction between a fan of Apple hardware and a blind fanboy of Apple. Posts like "OMG!! LEOPARD IS SO PERFECT!! LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" is clearly a fanboy post. No research, no thought, no sources or examples put into their "arguments." Meanwhile, the true Apple fan is critical. They agree that Leopard is a great OS, but it has flaws and weaknesses and they are willing to point them out. These are the kinds of people that would actually give meaningful feedback to Apple to help them improve their next OS revision.

Did anyone ask me what I thought could be improved in Leopard? No. If they did I would have said several things...

1. NTFS write support
2. Less crap embedded in Mail. I don't need stationary. It could have been something you set up in iWeb and then export to a mail message.
3. The new dock look does nothing for me.
4. The Time Machine background is unattractive due to the yellow/black scheme.
5. Res Independence isn't fully supported yet
6. blah blah ..I'm not going to waste any more time explaining myself to a troll.

 

[zweigand]

And this proves that you've done no reasearch at all. WinFS was not trashed, and is in fact still in development and is being added to other Microsoft products outside of Vista.

http://www.hunterstrat.com/news/2006/06/24/say-goodbye-to-winfs/

It was broken up and stripped for parts...

 

[EagerDragon]

This is about the crappiest discussion I ever seen. Who cares who copied from whom?????

As a consumer both groups are getting a benefit, both products look better and work better.

Competition is good and copying an idea is normal, it is the implementation that really count and differenciate the products.

OK?

 

[EagerDragon]

Did anyone ask me what I thought could be improved in Leopard? No. If they did I would have said several things...

1. NTFS write support
2. Less crap embedded in Mail. I don't need stationary. It could have been something you set up in iWeb and then export to a mail message.
3. The new dock look does nothing for me.
4. The Time Machine background is unattractive due to the yellow/black scheme.
5. Res Independence isn't fully supported yet
6. blah blah ..I'm not going to waste any more time explaining myself to a troll.

Good they did not asked.

 

[philgilder]

NTFS write support

microsoft dont currently license this, so apple cant do anything about it

Less crap embedded in Mail. I don't need stationary. It could have been something you set up in iWeb and then export to a mail message.

personnal opinion, but i think loading up two programs to write an email is a bit over the top
and stationary is hidden unless you open it...

 

[dotcomlarry]

Getting back to the topic (the guided tour), I'm glad they actually showed how to use some of the new features in a clear, concise way. I'd like to see a possible expansion, with multiple videos on the different topics that a bit more in-depth.

Also, I'd like to see them wear some different clothes from time to time.

 

[zweigand]

microsoft dont currently license this, so apple cant do anything about it

I assume it will be there in 10.6 ...even in Tiger you can download things like MacFUSE to get read/write NTFS support

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/23729/macfuse

It's OK ..I just use Fat32. I won't be upgrading my boot camp partition to Vista any time soon (unless they start giving it away for free )

personnal opinion, but i think loading up two programs to write an email is a bit over the top and stationary is hidden unless you open it...

Yes, it's personal opinion. Just like all of the dock and translucent menu bar talk. It makes more sense to me to because I would hardly ever create an HTML email. In that rare instance I would have no problem going to a different app to create it. I'm just against HTML emails in general. Stationary in Mail will only exacerbate it ...another personal preference.

 

[FocusAndEarnIt]

You obviously never used the classic Mac OS.

This is totally and completely 100% true.

The Classic OS is crap.

I still love it, though.

 

[philgilder]

The Classic OS is crap.

I still love it, though.

now thats a fanboy

 

[andy721]

hey

Why don't you tell us something we don't know. Like for example when you post something on the front page, don't post everything apple says on their page, because we aren't really blind to find the guided tour. Or what's new on the store page. Isn't it suppose to be rumors tell us something more secretive instead of the obvious.

 

[elppa]

This is totally and completely 100% true.

The Classic OS is crap.

I still love it, though.

I have to back you up on this one, I liked the classic OS too! OS 8.6 => 9.1 were pretty stable, even though they lacked protected memory.

It brought the GUI to the masses and was elegant and simple to use. People can call me what you like, I'm sticking with my view.

Apple did suffer though through the late 80s and early-mid 90s because they didn't improve it and relied on the status quo, which is why they make no apologies for changing direction and replacing popular products which would still sell e.g. Mini -> Nano, iMovie HD -> iMovie '08, iPod Classic -> Touch.

 

[mihiruthere93]

i want one

 

[e-coli]

Sheesh. The video looks like something from the early 80's.

 

[Evangelion]

And this proves that you've done no reasearch at all. WinFS was not trashed, and is in fact still in development and is being added to other Microsoft products outside of Vista.

well, iirc, WinFS has been under developent since 1992 or so, and every time Microsoft has promised that it will be available in "the next version of Windows"....

 

[50548]

Nope, I'm not hired by any company. But I think there's a clear distinction between a fan of Apple hardware and a blind fanboy of Apple. Posts like "OMG!! LEOPARD IS SO PERFECT!! LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYTHING ELSE!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH" is clearly a fanboy post. No research, no thought, no sources or examples put into their "arguments." Meanwhile, the true Apple fan is critical. They agree that Leopard is a great OS, but it has flaws and weaknesses and they are willing to point them out. These are the kinds of people that would actually give meaningful feedback to Apple to help them improve their next OS revision.

Why don't you show us the "research" you talk of here, then? I am a FANBOY in capital letters because I am a HAPPY customer for years with Apple, since the happy times of System 7, and I know no company is perfect. Feedback is ALWAYS useful, and Apple is better than ANY other company at this. Someone screams even without a reason, and Apple listens for its next developments or actions.

I use BOTH systems everyday, and I HAVE KNOWN the difference for ages already; Windows sucks, period. If you disagree, you'd better participate in Thurott's Supersite or a similar virtual hole for the rare Windows fans. Here we talk of the BEST design, the BEST UI, the BEST quality, the BEST reliability scores, the BEST support and the most stable hardware/software combination.

Leopard just extends the lead, instead of creating more bloated and badly patched software such as Windows. As Computerworld said a few days ago, Leopard is worth ANY HYPE it can get, even with the storm caused by iPhone.

Another remark: I am still waiting for a good virus out in the wild for OS X; this alone makes OS X a million years ahead of that ridiculous thing that we use on PCs everyday.

In other words, PC fanboys should go elsewhere with their diatribes. This is a Mac forum, and its growth just shows that people are finally leaving stupidity behind; no wonder Apple is selling at never-before-seen levels these days.

 

[Evangelion]

yep, you right click on a folder you want to restore, or see in the past
click on the previous versions tab:

released for windows server 2003, and any clients that connect to it
and also in vista ultimate and business

Uhm, that feature has been in Novell Netware since 1994 or os. And may I say that Netware still does it better than Windows does it. Netware creates a new version every time the file is modified, whereas Win dows creates new version at predefined intervals (like Time Machine does)

It's amazing that people STILL think Windows has better features in anything. It's CRAP, UTTER CRAP, period.

Well, if it isn't Mr. "100% unbiased". It does not help your position to act like a foaming at the mouth fanboy.

To claim that OS X is better than Windows on every single area imaginable is CRAP, UTTER CRAP.

That shadow copy thing has NOTHING to do with TM in terms of design, features and functionality.

Well, there are quite a bit of similarities between the two, like it or not. Yes, UI's are different, and TM uses separate hard-drive, but other than that, they are quite similar indeed.

The one cool thing that TM does and Shadow Copy does not, is to save data inside apps, like Address Book Entries.

Leopard is just miles and miles ahead of any OS release so far...there is simply no way to compare it with the ridiculous Vista. Thank you, Apple.

Seriously: you should try to be a bit more objective here. Leopard is not the ultimate OS that trounces every other OS in every single area.

 

[Quillz]

Uhm, that feature has been in Novell Netware since 1994 or os. And may I say that Netware still does it better than Windows does it. Netware creates a new version every time the file is modified, whereas Win dows creates new version at predefined intervals (like Time Machine does)



Well, if it isn't Mr. "100% unbiased". It does not help your position to act like a foaming at the mouth fanboy.

To claim that OS X is better than Windows on every single area imaginable is CRAP, UTTER CRAP.



Well, there are quite a bit of similarities between the two, like it or not. Yes, UI's are different, and TM uses separate hard-drive, but other than that, they are quite similar indeed.

The one cool thing that TM does and Shadow Copy does not, is to save data inside apps, like Address Book Entries.



Seriously: you should try to be a bit more objective here. Leopard is not the ultimate OS that trounces every other OS in every single area.

I'm glad to see Apple fans like yourself do visit this board.

 

[Evangelion]

In other words, PC fanboys should go elsewhere with their diatribes. This is a Mac forum, and its growth just shows that people are finally leaving stupidity behind; no wonder Apple is selling at never-before-seen levels these days.

Instad of that, maybe YOU should start a "militant Mac-users"-forum where you and your henchmen could slap each other on the back and tell how you worship Steve Jobs and anything he does. Seriously: people like you make the Mac LESS appealing for many people. For countless times I have seen people comment that "I might like to use a Mac... But I hate those smug and fanatical fanboys that I would run in to". And I know EXACTLY what they are talking about. I think that the devoted userbase Apple has is one of their greatests strengths as well as one of theirn greatest weaknesses. The fanaticsm they exhibit is off-putting to many regular users.

Like it or not: not everyone is required to unconditionally love Steve Jobs, Apple and/or their proucts in order to post on these forums. If you want that kind of forum, go right ahead and set one up.

 

[jackc]

Instad of that, maybe YOU should start a "militant Mac-users"-forum where you and your henchmen could slap each other on the back and tell how you worship Steve Jobs and anything he does. Seriously: people like you make the Mac LESS appealing for many people. For countless times I have seen people comment that "I might like to use a Mac... But I hate those smug and fanatical fanboys that I would run in to". And I know EXACTLY what they are talking about. I think that the devoted userbase Apple has is one of their greatests strengths as well as one of theirn greatest weaknesses. The fanaticsm they exhibit is off-putting to many regular users.

Like it or not: not everyone is required to unconditionally love Steve Jobs, Apple and/or their proucts in order to post on these forums. If you want that kind of forum, go right ahead and set one up.

I agree with you, but why would the "fanboy factor" change anyone's decision? Just use your Mac and ignore them. Joining the Jobs cult is optional.

 

[freedevil]

The space wallpaper is fugly.

 

[philgilder]

i have one question about time machine and one about ilife

if your chosen backup drive is not connected, i know leopard takes a note of changes

does it remember every single file change, or just the most recent?

ilife
when i get leoaprd, im doing a clean install

will ilife get automatically installed, or do i need to restore it from my backup???