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Apple Preparing for Mac OS X 10.5.1

Porco said:
Tiger(and earlier)-style hierarchical / sub-folder/ nested folder access in Stacks is the biggie that needs addressing for me. Otherwise Stacks is just a backward step with a prettier face.
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With the old folders, you had to right-click or click-and-hold to get to the contents. With Stacks it's a single click for instant access. So it's not entirely a step backwards.

Stacks could use some more refinement and options (like a "menu" view) but overall I think it's a better "system" than the old system. I definitely find it superior if you are *not* needing hierarchical access once in the folder/stack. But it's way worse if you do. Should be a simple thing for Apple to add a hierarchical list view for those that need it.
 
tribulation said:
i've used every mac system since os6 and cant remember a worse f--up than LEOPARD is. :mad:
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Well, unless Leopard crashes and forces a hard restart literally every five to ten minutes, then it's nowhere near as bad as 7.5.3

I'm not saying that you don't have legitimate issues with Leopard, but anyone who wants to make the "Worst OS Revision EVAH!" claim really needs to have worked in a design studio (or any kind of professional environment) trying to use 7.5.3 ...

IIRC, you couldn't even go back from 7.5.3 if you had certain types of NT boxes on your network that you needed to connect to (I'm pretty sure that we only upgradeded to 7.5.3 because it had a TCP/IP revision that was necessary for shared networking with an NT server).

I actually saw grown men and women literally weeping with frustration as they tried to hit deadlines using that disgraceful piece of cr*p. I memorably had to physically restrain our Design Manager from hurling his PM 7200 across the room when he discovered that although he'd saved a Quark document relatively recently before a crash, the crash had corrupted the document itself.

And that, Gil Amelio, is one of the reasons I'll never forget your time at Apple!

Cheers

Jim
 
i know there is video card driver issues, as some report

maybe a issue with openGL

i cant repair permissions at all

the dock is a bit slow at times ( when trying to place a App in the dock it sometimes takes a wile before it responds so i can drop in on the dock)

Front row seems to run ok , but why cant you make your own key shortcut to open it (command+ESC tend to get in the way) why cant you add a folder so you can add videos and music from a folder you choose on top of the default one.

prolly allot more issues then i list, but what do you expect from a first release of anything, but really it wasn't that bad for a first release of Leopard. i have not had a single crash in anything so far (fingers crossed)

i only hope they improve on Leopard with 10.5.1 and not make it worse
 
SiliconAddict said:
Bullcrap. Someone has been chugging the the Apple koolaid hardcore.
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Fine, continue wasting time waving the rubber chicken. I've got 4 Macs, each of which have been running fine without worrying about permissions, but then again, I understand what permissions are. I'm guessing you're one of those people that repair permissions before a software update?

http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000410.php

http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/secrets/repairpermissions/index.php?pf=1
 
Remember, to all you people that did a clean install...because, ya know, it just gets rid of all those icky toxins in your system, clean install flushes all those out.

So when a new update comes along, do another clean install to flush away the toxins that you've built up in the past few weeks. :rolleyes:
 
Squozen said:
Fine, continue wasting time waving the rubber chicken. I've got 4 Macs, each of which have been running fine without worrying about permissions, but then again, I understand what permissions are. I'm guessing you're one of those people that repair permissions before a software update?

http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000410.php

http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/secrets/repairpermissions/index.php?pf=1
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besides the point, repairing permissions does not work currently whether useful or not
 
Squozen said:
Fine, continue wasting time waving the rubber chicken. I've got 4 Macs, each of which have been running fine without worrying about permissions, but then again, I understand what permissions are. I'm guessing you're one of those people that repair permissions before a software update?

http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000410.php

http://www.macworld.com/2006/08/secrets/repairpermissions/index.php?pf=1
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there is where you are wrong, i had a issue in tiger with it not shutting down properly (it would just sit there at a blue screen) i restarted and repaired permissions and it shuts down just fine. it happened again and i force restarted and tried to shut down tiger again (figuring it was just a weird issue) and it stayed at the blue screen, i forced a restart and repaired permissions and it shut down properly.

also when you mod a kext file manually and dont repair permissions you are going to have issues with that kext file (and it wont load) and a error message saying that is wasnt properly installed, and untill you repair permissions you will keep getting that error message. once you do that error message will go away (and the kext file will load).

and i have seen performance issues with OS X with messed up permissions and repairing them fixed the issues.

so don't tell me that repairing permissions is useless. some people dont follow what a web site tells you, and go by experience alone.

gnasher729 said:
So exactly how does this affect you except for you saying "repairing permissions doesn't work"?
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what he is meaning by what he said is, Repairing permissions should work in disk utility no matter if repairing them is useful or not. and i cant agree more with what he posted cause repairing disk Permissions does not work in Disk utility, when you try it just sits there doing nothing ( and thats is not suppose to happen) its suppose to find and repair wrong permissions
 
I am fairly new to the Mac, so I don't have in-depth experience of the differences between Tiger and Leopard. My major gripe is with Front Row: while they significantly fixed the time it needed to read your music and video library, everything else (for my needs at least) seems to be worse. Gone is the nice effect that initiates FR. The UI imho is worse. And most importantly, there is no resume function for videos !
I hope they fix that in the first update.
 
my experience with leopard

i did a clean install on powerbook 1,25. it took less than 40 minutes, i didnt install any drivers and only english and norwegian language. Apart from one RAM keep freezing the installer it went smooth. (This also happend with installing tiger). Fix: remove the RAM then install, then insert the RAM back in.

System overall is faster, and after the keychain and login update, internet is working perfect.

This is not working perfect yet:

Skype, needs to reinstall everytime i want to use it (although its a workaround on the net now). Google it.

Yahoo messenger, is freezing for seconds or unexpectedly quits often.

Photoshop 7 is no more working on my machine, i wont update this.

Itunes use looong time to open and iphoto seem slower.
Number seems faster. Photobooth are so slow it cant be used, (with a firewire cam).

I think its a bug in the adjust color in preview. Its not changing much, its lagging, and when i save the color adjustments are doubled.

I liked the firewall in tiger better. Now i dont know.. is it on?is it off?

Im testing it on my studiomac too, a 867 quicksilver, with 1,5 RAM; the system works very nice, but Cubase 2.2, seems to be slower, Im not sure i will use leopard for this.

For the sport i tried to install it on a double 500 mgz. Its working ok, its slow but usable, but only for web stuff and easy tasks. I can see why apple didnt recomend it coz all the interface bling are much slower than tiger. And iworks trial didnt work.

Overall i really like all the new stuff, its well worth the money. The system is generally faster in everything and the new stuff is great. The comming updates will make it even better!
 
A friend of mine was so upset about the Leopard bugs that he decided to leave the Mac OS X platform today and got himself a Vista CD. I'm sorry about this, I like Leopard and it works fine for me. But I can understand him.

After upgrading to Leopard Flash stopped working on Safari, and if he removed some quicktime components Flash would work again but then he would have no quicktime. My friend spent hours on forums trying to figure it out.

He was disappointed. He told me that Apple disappointed him. Bugs are OK, but something like this is beyond a reasonable bug. It's a serious mistake that halted his work for a few days.

He never wanted to use Microsoft, but yesterday evening he told me one good thing over vista: "It just works". What Apple used to be.

He's possibly right. I never heard of Microsoft explorer not being able to open Flash or video files with the appropriate player. The only software causing problems on PCs these days are Quicktime and Safari.

A very sad state of things that I hope Apple will fix soon. They have to stop releasing Alpha software to the public.
 
princigalli said:
A friend of mine was so upset about the Leopard bugs that he decided to leave the Mac OS X platform today and got himself a Vista CD. I'm sorry about this, I like Leopard and it works fine for me. But I can understand him.

After upgrading to Leopard Flash stopped working on Safari, and if he removed some quicktime components Flash would work again but then he would have no quicktime. My friend spent hours on forums trying to figure it out.

He was disappointed. He told me that Apple disappointed him. Bugs are OK, but something like this is beyond a reasonable bug. It's a serious mistake that halted his work for a few days.

He never wanted to use Microsoft, but yesterday evening he told me one good thing over vista: "It just works". What Apple used to be.

He's possibly right. I never heard of Microsoft explorer not being able to open Flash or video files with the appropriate player. The only software causing problems on PCs these days are Quicktime and Safari.

A very sad state of things that I hope Apple will fix soon. They have to stop releasing Alpha software to the public.
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bugs is a given on any first release period ( and everyone should realize this by now). he should have stayed with tiger if he relied on his Mac for work. it was down right stupid of your friend to jump into leopard on a work machine. he should have stayed in tiger cause there is less bugs when compared to Leopard. jumping into Leopard on a non work oriented machine i can understand . but not on a machine that is used for work.


he brought it on himself by jumping into leopard on a work machine and has only himself to blame, its not Apple fault.
 
I've had no major problems with Leopard except for these six things:

1. During normal use and from sleep clicking the AirPort icon has frozen my MacBook and the restart message has appeared.

2. Occasional crashes of applications.

3. Mail misbehaving and mailboxes seem to be acting up.

4. Safari still incompatible with elements in certain websites such as Windows Live, eBay, etc. so I use Firefox instead.

5. Time Machine options limited.

6. Java 6 would be nice?
 
Exodemia said:
I've had no major problems with Leopard except for these six things:

1. During normal use and from sleep clicking the AirPort icon has frozen my MacBook and the restart message has appeared.

2. Occasional crashes of applications.

3. Mail misbehaving and mailboxes seem to be acting up.

4. Safari still incompatible with elements in certain websites such as Windows Live, eBay, etc. so I use Firefox instead.

5. Time Machine options limited.

6. Java 6 would be nice?
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I have not had any problems aside from the Safari incombatibility with Windows Live ( can't check my emails :( ) so I use Flock.

And of course the sluggyness of when I did an upgrade install on the first day. But I did a fresh install and that fixed it.

Apart from Safari being stupid with Hotmail, I have no beef with Leopard being buggy and such. I have not had any other problems mentioned on here.
 
I told myself I would stick with Tiger until the .1 update. But with all the issues people are listening, I'm starting to think that Apple wont cover most of them. So unless im wrong, (which I hope)I might wait for th e.2 update to install my UTD cd.
 
The number one thing I hope they fix is the speed. Sure, I have an old 12" PB 1GHz, but with Tiger so snappy before, there is no reason why Leopard should be so sluggish (things like minimising genie effect, expose, dock magnification, etc that worked like silk before).

Second, improve the stacks nonsense so that they support a hold hierarichal menu sturcture and replace the look of the stack in the dock to the far more intuitive folder of old. Apple probably won't do the latter (even though it should) for stubbon reasons - it will be less easy to distinguish it's brand new big desktop feature stacks - and make it look too much like the dock folders of old (and therefore make people realise that it is a step back and not a new feature at all!)

Oh, but bug fixes first please. Photoshop Elements 2.0 will not run. Nor will iWeb '08.
 
kaiwai said:
No, the idiot MOVED the file, MOVE is a distructive copy!

Copy the file, once confirmed to have been copied successfully, THEN delete the original - is it *really* that hard to comprehend?
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Wow, take some ritalin ... maybe ketamin would be better for you ... and actually grasp what the problem is - an offered file management function is seriously broken in certain circumstances.

Move is Copy then Delete - if the Copy fails, the Delete shouldn't occur. Your second sentence shows what the Move operation should be doing without needing manual verification.
 
willybNL said:
Hoping they won't wait for .1 with that... my macbook is really trash without airport. (connect, disconnect... can't work with it like this)
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One thing that has really helped is deselecting the"Remember any network this computer has joined" under advanced and "Ask to join new networks" means the issue is only 1 in 5 rather 4 in 5.

Project said:
Hardly Miss Cleo is it. Every single version of OSX has had an update within 2 months.
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Indeed i'll go out on a limb and say that 10.5.2 will be out within 2 months of 10.5.1 being released.
 
Hattig said:
an offered file management function is seriously broken in certain circumstances.
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Although it's worth stressing for anyone reading who has been lucky enough to escape the dreaded 'failed move' phenomenon - MOVING LARGE QUANTITIES OF DATA IS A GAMBLE on both MacOS and Windows, and probably on most other systems too. If you need to shift lots of data to another drive, relying on drag/drop or move will eventually screw you bigtime. It's yet another one of those inexcusably shoddy things that seems to be universally accepted in the IT world:mad:
 
Well I DID revert back to Tiger, although am dual-booting w/Leopard to continue testing. Leopard is just too buggy right now to use dependably in a work environment. The HP printing issues, wireless and backup issues, regular crashing using iPhoto...this is ridiculous.:mad:
 
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