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Apple Preparing to Launch 27-Inch LED Cinema Display, Mac Pro Update by June?
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I'll say it one more time. You cannot compare a tax-inclusive price to a tax-exclusive price. Period.
Whether the tax is included in the sticker price or added at the end is determined by local custom and government.
No, what the NZ Store shows is the tax-inclusive take home price. What the US stores show is the pre-tax base price.
As explained by jb1280:
In other words, your argument that you're charged double is completely indefensible, and your manipulation of the actual unit prices to try to make that gap appear wider doesn't fix that. You pay a 10-12% higher real cost in USD-equivalent to cover the higher cost of doing business in a foreign country. It's not that bad. You should see what they charge us for your lamb.
You should see what they charge us for our own milk and lamb!
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/Jama/3291
Technically most of Apples production is in China, so America could be classed as a foreign operated country.
I think you should also look up the meaning of exaggeration.
Please be my guest at Chicago, we are paying 10.25%
and more is coming.
Sweden here, 25%! Feel the burn!
No, it couldn't. I'm not going 18 rounds on this.
And do you not have an apostrophe key on your keyboard? It's a little maddening.
Youre the one who took an exaggeration seriously.
Technically the only thing that US Apple has over Apple AU is that US has more Apple Stores. Most of the merchandise comes from China, so there shouldnt really be a price difference. Comes from the same place at the same price.
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On the what's a computer argument, may I suggest the best way to look at this ia that, there is a difference between a computer and something with a computer inside it.
Your Toaster, TV, Microwave, Watch, Vibrator! might have computers inside them, but that does not make them (as a device) a computer.
The iPAd definitely has a computer inside it, but I'd not really call it a computer as such, in the way I'd not call a TV or Games console a actual computer.
Its more a media delivery device with options you can select than what most people would call a computer.
That said, I would also say this depends who you are.
For Apple who can program and control the device it is a computer.
For the consumer who is just using the device to recieve/modify information it's not really what we would consider a computer.
A Tablet with Windows7 or OSX on it, that is open for you to use and program in whatever way you want, then THAT would be classed a computer.
Just my view
Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
No one is saying these items don't POSESS computers to run various functions. What we are saying is they AREN'T computers in toto.
Computers, by their definition are limitless and multitasking, only dependent on software and hardware. Jobs may (and probably does, unfortunately) have plans for evolving the iPhone into a computer by adding multitasking and outside peripherals and eventually even being able to run Mac OS, but that doesn't as yet make smartphones actual computers.
Here's the problem, and it's more than one of mere semantics. We are already dealing with a CEO and company who are already overly fixated on handheld relatively cheap but overpriced iToys for the least common denominator to the languishing, if not outright eventual and inevitable ruin, of Apple's workstation line. More than merely deaf to the needs of their highest ticket customers, there is almost a stubborn refusal to give customers what they need and needed. Last year. The year before. Better graphics support. Blu-ray capability throughout the OS. And now he's suiciding Apple against Flash, of all things, by CRIPPLING the iPad OUT OF THE BOX. That's verging on the insane, folks.
I will admit that Jobs probably has PLANS to turn the iPhone into a computer, but as a single-tasking device, that if you called it a proper computer, would set computer technology BACK to 1985 BEFORE Commodore's Amiga, the most I would ever call the thing is a hybrid. Furthermore, I personally believe unless Apple adds Blu-ray and more often refreshes its Mac Pro and iMac lines, the iCrap focus will be the ruin of Apple as better and cheaper competition comes along despite Job's attempts to sue it into oblivion.
You can only pass off antiquated (in today's rapidly changing market) stuff as cutting edge for so long before people wake up.
Absolutely.
All right. One last attempt. NO ONE is saying these things don't POSSESS computers. We are saying they AREN'T computers. Not yet, anyway.
Just because you have a penis doesn't make you a ********.
The iPhone may BE a computer one day; no, I'll rephrase that, it in all probability WILL be a computer one day, and God help Apple when that happens, because it will be time to kiss the iMac and the MacPro goodbye, as well as every for Apple pro ap user to kiss Apple goodbye forever.
Because the chief inmate already runs the asylum, and he's figured the only way to destroy his perceived enemies (flash and Blu-ray) is to put a cheap but overpriced 2010 iToy union of a hand held calculator and walkie talkie in every newbie's hand arguing "They really, really are computers!! HONEST!!"
Some of us want Apple's high end top of the line workstations to be cutting edge again. If current semantics helps, hallelujah. Nothing else works.
Backwards in size, but a glorious leap forwards in technology.
The 30" ACD is old.
Dell u2711
Has anyone checked out the Dell u2711???
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1
Any thoughts???? I do photo editing so the RGB stuff is really interesting to me...
Has anyone checked out the Dell u2711???
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1
Any thoughts???? I do photo editing so the RGB stuff is really interesting to me...
Just because it's OLD doesn't make it BAD....
Just because a bunch of competitors are NEWER than the 30" ACD doesn't necessarily make them BETTER...
For the matte-screen crowd it's still a great color-accurate and huge display.
I've got the 30" 's two smaller siblings, the 23" and 20"... they're still fantastic. Matching colors in Photoshop is a breeze when you can clearly see what you're doing.
Oddly, I have a preference for glossy screens!
Oh well. These "Old" matte ACD's have their uses....
Have Fun,
Keri
PS... Anyone want some rice or maybe a microwave pizza?
I'm feeling like programming the Rice Cooker Computer or maybe the Microwave Oven Computer about now and am looking at them in a whole new way after reading this thread. Or maybe I'll go drive the Car-shaped Computer to a drive-thru somewhere.
Will new 27" Cinema display be flawed like the 27" iMac display?
Apple is still churning out flawed displays on their 27" iMacs. I am referring to the non-uniform white balance (so called, "yellow tinge") and the grey horizontal shadow across the bottom of the screen. This is weeks after Apple claims to have "addressed" the problem. My most recent replacement is a week 11 unit that I was assured would be from a new lot of displays.
If it is true that the new Cinematic Displays will use the same monitor, then it will be a piece of crap. I have had 3 iMac 27" displays and all have had the grey bar at the bottom of the screen and the "yellow tinge". I have given up and accepted that the displays will not be fixed by Apple.
Apple is still churning out flawed displays on their 27" iMacs. I am referring to the non-uniform white balance (so called, "yellow tinge") and the grey horizontal shadow across the bottom of the screen. This is weeks after Apple claims to have "addressed" the problem. My most recent replacement is a week 11 unit that I was assured would be from a new lot of displays.
If it is true that the new Cinematic Displays will use the same monitor, then it will be a piece of crap. I have had 3 iMac 27" displays and all have had the grey bar at the bottom of the screen and the "yellow tinge". I have given up and accepted that the displays will not be fixed by Apple.
Sigh. No. Not technically or in any other sense. Banana Republic sourcing some shirts from Sri Lanka doesn't make Banana Republic a Sri Lankan company.
China is an export market for Apple, just like New Zealand. The US is not, because, as it may surprise you to learn, Apple is an American company, not a Chinese one. There are no additional costs to sell in the United States for American companies. The same is not true for countries outside America, including China, where a large amount of manufacturing occurs.
If you can't grasp that, there's really nothing else to say.
Because Apple doesn't make the panels, and nobody who does makes anything larger than 29.8" at monitor densities. There isn't a huge demand for it, and when you start putting that many pixels together, it's a lot more difficult to make panels with acceptable defect rates.
It's past due to update the 30" display, and right now the newest, most advanced technology is built at a max size of 27".
Yes but Apple make their stuff overseas so the cost of distributing should be around the same. They still have to get it from china and distribute it around NZ and America. You might be supprised to learn that a headquarters is just a headquarters. Progressive Enterprises is an Autralian company but is still cheaper than a lot of NZ owned supermarkets. Google has Headquarters and Labs all around the world.
Distribution isn't why you pay more.
Nobody's talking about headquarters.
And yet it remains an American company.
You have no clue what you're talking about, and instead continually repeat misinformation with the hopes of sounding like you know what you're saying. If you're not trolling, it's time to learn a few things before posting an argument to something you've displayed an unrelenting ignorance about.
Would you like to explain why I have no clue what Im talking about then. Would you like to say what the extra cost is then. New Zealand and China have a free trade deal so its not customs price. And distribution is done by MagnumMac or Apple AU. Yet its Apple NZ that sets the end price, even though Apple NZ is literally a call centre as Apple NZ doesnt even have distribution rights to their own product! They have no control, they're a figure head. SO please tell me because YOURE such an expert on the subject. I've worked for a Wholesale Electronics branch before and probably have more 'inside' knowledge than you. SO please TELL me what I dont know about my previous job. Youre calling me a troll/un educated in the subject and all youre giving is opinions yourself.
The headquaters was to show how irrelevant a America is to an American Companies operation. The fact it is an American company means NOTHING according to added costs. You still need to distribute that product and do all the paperwork regardless. Infact, American distribution should be more expensive as it is a larger country.
It's immediately apparent by your bizarre insistence that Apple is a Chinese company and that place of incorporation is irrelevant to costs.
There are import duties and tariffs, export administration and fees, local market regulatory clearance costs, duplicated costs for registering and operating a business presence, accounting and auditing for local governments to comply with local law, and various other capital, administrative, and legal costs that would not have been incurred but for extending operations to a foreign market. The foreign market must pay those costs, and the costs of doing business reflect the necessary overhead. It's typically under 10%, but in some places considerably higher.
A Mac mini in Brazil, for example, costs over US$940 before the 17% VAT because of high tariffs and operational expenses.
And for the LAST TIME, Apple is not a Chinese company.
Plainly not the case.
This sentence makes no sense, and shows that you've not even grasped the reason nobody is talking about headquarters.
The place of incorporation has nothing to do with the location of the headquarters. Apple could move its headquarters to the Moon and it would remain an American company. The place of incorporation has huge consequences in terms of tax rates, liability, operating laws, accounting and securities requirements, and corporate structure.
Ha!
Ok.. I didn't know that... Thanks...
I too am disappointed about the response to fix the 27" iMac problem. I am giving the iMacs a pass for now.
So what OTHER 27" monitors have caught anyone's eye???
I never said Apple is a chinese company, only that their products are made in china. Therefore the same "distribution fees" will apply to the US and NZ/AU/ Brazil yadda yadda yadda.
Let me repeat that. APPLE PRODUCTS ARE MADE IN CHINA AND SHIPPED FROM SHANGHAI.
Did you not read me, New Zealand has a free trade deal with China, because all Apple products come form China, there are no customs costs. Or do you really think that Apple still makes their products in America.
Apple AU does the accounting, business costs. Because Apple NZ sold its distribution license in New Zealand to renaissance, Apple NZ doesnt have anything to deal with the in between process. Yet they still determine the prices.
This should not equal to over 10% more. The wholesaler only gets about 2-3%. But then thats pointless stating that as there is no real middle man as its Apple Australia.
You still don't get it. Where the products are made is irrelevant. Where they're sold matters. China is an export market for Apple, just like New Zealand, even sixty meters from the factory itself.
Distribution "fees" (whatever the hell you mean by that) are completely irrelevant to anything. Let me repeat: distribution costs are not why the prices are higher in foreign markets. You have to be trolling, because you steamrolled right past the explanation without any bit of it filtering into your head.
Apple is an American company. Apple, originator of the goods, exports from America to New Zealand.
Take a look at the Lenovo SL510. In the US, it costs $634 plus tax (upgraded to 4GB RAM). In NZ, it costs NZ$1211.50 (4GB standard) before GST. That's US$855, or over $200 more--a premium of some 25%!
Lenovo, of course, IS a Chinese company. So much for your theory about costs. For crying out loud, quit posting this nonsensical drivel. It was wrong from the beginning, and as I said, I'm not going 18 rounds with this level of ignorance. You'll get no further responses.
No problem! If you're on the hunt for a 27", Dell's U2711 uses the same LG panel as the iMac, but with different backlighting and electronics, and it's supposed to hit the stores for around $1100. If you don't need IPS, both HP and Sceptre sell a TN-based one for under $400--note that it's 1920x1080 though, so it's a lower resolution and an inferior (EDIT: in comparison, that is; the Sceptre is actually a fine monitor for consumer use) panel.
Dell also has a cheaper 27" (2709W) for about $800, but I was pretty unhappy with the one I saw in person. Stay away from their 30" (3007/8 model)--it's the same price as the ACD and not quite as good. The newer, cheaper, 3008WFP-HC is pretty solid for $1400, and I'd buy that over the 30" ACD if I were in the market right now.
You could also go for an older and cheaper 30" panel if you don't need the latest and greatest...there are some good deals from HP (the LP3065 is IPS) and LG if you can find these discontinued monitors--just shy of ACD performance for about $1100-1200.