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Apple Preparing to Launch 27-Inch LED Cinema Display, Mac Pro Update by June?
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Eizo uses TN, PVA, ASV, and IPS panels throughout its line, but I'm not aware of any of their high-end models using PVA. If you'd be so kind as to identify a source...
5 of the 10 models in the ColorEdge series are S-PVA. Their 24" and 30" displays from the ColorEdge and FlexScan lines only used S-PVA until a recent switch back to IPS.
If you guys don't like the glossy screen and if the 30 inch Cinema Display is to old their others 30 inch on the market here is a video of mine showing most 30 inch that is on the market today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8mT0I20lkI
The appleinsider article did not say apple is going to EOL the 30 inch, I'm going to wait until I hear from Steve Jobs mouth at WWDC 2010 if there going to kill off the 30 inch but If i remember correctly Steve did say a mini display-port can drive a 30 inch but who knows apple may set other industry standard a 32 inch i'm waiting after WWDC to see what happens i'm not going to rush out and buy a 30-inch now just because of a rumor of a 27-inch LED, You might save some money later if Apple does decides to kill off the 30 inch Cinema display HD the $1799 price tag may come down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8mT0I20lkI
The appleinsider article did not say apple is going to EOL the 30 inch, I'm going to wait until I hear from Steve Jobs mouth at WWDC 2010 if there going to kill off the 30 inch but If i remember correctly Steve did say a mini display-port can drive a 30 inch but who knows apple may set other industry standard a 32 inch i'm waiting after WWDC to see what happens i'm not going to rush out and buy a 30-inch now just because of a rumor of a 27-inch LED, You might save some money later if Apple does decides to kill off the 30 inch Cinema display HD the $1799 price tag may come down
iPad sales were 150000 in the first day of preorders. Apple wont sell 150000 MacPro's in 3 years. Wich makes more sense in a profit point if view you tell me? Computers are in second plan for Apple now. Iphone and Ipad and the nasty iphone OS are their main concern.
I count two of eight from their most recent mailing to our firm, which is admittedly two more than I recalled. The newest, the 303W, is IPS, and replaces the 301W, which used a Samsung PVA out of necessity--and interestingly, makes a point of flagging the new IPS panel whereas all the other models don't discuss it.
The reason, of course, is that the 301W fell a little short according to some reviews, and that PVA units were not selected by choice, but instead by either supply or cost constraints.
They are using PVA in the new CG223W (replacing the 222W), but only because it is the "cheap" 22" ColorEdge; the self-described "flagship" 221 is an IPS display.
The fact remains that the highest-end monitors are uniformly IPS, and PVA is sold to the midrange, though you're completely right that I should not have spoken in absolutes--some PVA panels have crept into high end products.
Build Quality is what I should've said. I've had graphics designers complain about a red tinge on their 30" ACDs so I give them a temporary Samsung monitor while its being returned. The 27" imacs; A high end IPS screen with Yellow Tiniting issues, from people that I even know. Yet every single Samsung screen I bought for people with its "crappy" TN panel still works. I've had no lemons whatsoever. Its a bit like the new Harley Davidsons that crap out before the "cheap" Hondas.
Its only statistically fair to use the 'constant price'. Its not Apples fault if you live in a crappy state. The GST is contsant around NZ therefore is the constant price for New Zealand.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/promotion/Promotion_SPVA.html I don't debate that IPS isn't the cream of the crop. But Samsung are more interested in advertising PVA as a technology for their TVs.
Build quality is a clear difference if you've ever dealt with an Apple Cinema Display, an Eizo, or a pro-line NEC display...again, Samsung just cannot stack up. Stands that don't rest level, squeaky ABS plastic, giant gaps in the frame exposing backlight at the seams. It's not a fault; it's that their products are sold to a less discerning audience at a significantly lower price, and that just means that the quality of materials is a lower priority.
There isn't a Samsung monitor for sale today that has the fit and finish of a Cinema Display.
What you're talking about is defect rate, not build quality (fit and finish), and Samsung has had its fair share of equally difficult problems over the years. Both issues you describe with the ACD are manufacturing defects from LG-Phillips, the supplier of panels in those displays.
Completely anecdotal. There are plenty of Samsung lemons out there, along with every other large vendor. I say this as an owner of two Samsung televisions and two Samsung LCD monitors.
It's not Apple's fault they're forced to build GST into the price instead of listing their prices without tax. It's only "fair" to compare the actual price of the product, since that is the only thing within Apple's control. The "constant price" is the unit price, because tax is variable from location to location. It's not Apple's fault you live in a "crappy country", since apparently only crappy states and countries by your definition charge a sales tax. If one of New Zealand's islands didn't charge GST, you'd be paying $350 less there even if Apple priced both exactly the same.
You cannot seriously be saying with a straight face that it's a fair comparison to use a list price from place A with no tax included and Place B with a 12.5% added tax. If place A is $100 and Place B is $112.50, company Z is charging $100 in both places. Government Y is coming in and charging the $12.50.
Except thats not how companies view GST. Companies view with GST as the initial price and GST is what they take away. Thats why our prices dont have some funky price on the end of it.
No, sorry, but that's absolutely not true. The difference is purely political. It makes no monetary difference at the end of the day whether tax is collected as VAT or as sales tax. But you cannot compare a tax-inclusive price with a tax-exclusive price. It's the amount charged by the seller that has to be compared, not the amount charged by the government.
Again, if place A has a 10% sales tax, and sells a product for $100+10, the consumer pays $110. $100 to the retailer; $10 to the government.
If place B uses a 10% VAT, it sells for $110. The consumer still pays $110; the government still gets $10.
The only difference is that the retailer's accounting gets a little more complicated back through the supply chain. The end price is the same. It's not Apple's fault you live somewhere that doesn't list its prices in a tax-exclusive manner. If places A an B have different tax rates, that's got nothing to do with business and everything to do with government and politics. If you want to compare a US list price, move somewhere that doesn't charge VAT.
But that is the prices that Apple Charges in NZ. They could just as easily sell it to us as GST exc and add it on to the end but they dont. What aApple has in its stores is the Base Price for America. What the NZ Store has is the Base Price for New Zealand.
By your over encompassing and ludicrous "definition", you'd call THIS
a computer.
And this
These are not, nor will they ever be, computers, and if you keep on wanting to look like an idiot claiming it and your g/f's vibrator and my toaster and my car ARE computers, by all means, keep it up. You only dig yourself in deeper.
We do not say "Fire up the computer Honey and run the toaster program, I need wheat toast today." We say "Fire up the TOASTER."
We do not say "Fire up the computer Honey and run the vibrator program, you're too tired tonight." We say "Fire up the VIBRATOR."
We do not say "Call me on the computer that runs the phone program." We say "Call me on my mobile."
We do not say "Take my computer that runs the car program to work today". We say "Take my car into work today."
Just because things have computer brains DOES NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER, MAKE THEM COMPUTERS.
Almost ALL consumer devices today have computer chip brains.
This does not make them computers.
Add a product to your cart in the NZ store and you will see the base price.
Add a cinema display and in your cart you see the base price of NZ$ 1,421.33.
Add a macbook pro and in your cart you see the base price of NZ$ 1,776.89
At the bottom you will see a GST of NZ$ 399.78
On the what's a computer argument, may I suggest the best way to look at this ia that, there is a difference between a computer and something with a computer inside it.
Your Toaster, TV, Microwave, Watch, Vibrator! might have computers inside them, but that does not make them (as a device) a computer.
The iPAd definatly has a computer inside it, but I'd not really call it a computer as such, in the way I'd not call a TV or Games console a actual computer.
Its more a media delivery device with options you can select than what most people would call a computer.
That said, I would also say this depends who you are.
For Apple who can program and control the device it is a computer.
For the consumer who is just using the device to recieve/modify information it's not really what we would consider a computer.
A Tablet with Windows7 or OSX on it, that is open for you to use and program in whatever way you want, then THAT would be classed a computer.
Just my view
Your Toaster, TV, Microwave, Watch, Vibrator! might have computers inside them, but that does not make them (as a device) a computer.
The iPAd definatly has a computer inside it, but I'd not really call it a computer as such, in the way I'd not call a TV or Games console a actual computer.
Its more a media delivery device with options you can select than what most people would call a computer.
That said, I would also say this depends who you are.
For Apple who can program and control the device it is a computer.
For the consumer who is just using the device to recieve/modify information it's not really what we would consider a computer.
A Tablet with Windows7 or OSX on it, that is open for you to use and program in whatever way you want, then THAT would be classed a computer.
Just my view
Apple (or any retailer, for that matter) does (do) not charge tax, they collect it.
A more pertinent question is do countries like NZ require retailers to list prices including GST? If they do, then that would explain why Apple lists prices in NZ inclusive of GST while in other countries they do not (like the United States, which does not require prices to be listed inclusive of any taxes).
And is the GST rate the same across all of New Zealand? And are there any other taxes, like a local sales or excise tax, that can apply to a purchase in NZ?
If only GST applies to a sale, then even if Apple is not legally required to list prices inclusive of GST, they may choose to do so in the interests of "transparency" so customers know what they're going to be paying.
Here in the United States, the amount of sales tax I do (or don't) pay depends on the city, county and state I live in. I can drive three hours south to Oregon and buy a Mac at the Portland store and pay no tax. Or I can drive 30 minutes north to the Alderwood store and pay a bit less because the sales tax rate in Snohomish County is .1% lower than it is here in King County (9.4% vs. 9.5%). So Apple can't really list me an accurate price inclusive of sales taxes unless the Apple Store required me to first enter my shipping address before it displayed prices so they could calculate the proper rate. And Apple could not list a price in a national ad campaign because they could not accurately calculate the price for each municipality where that ad would be running. So they just list the base price, prior to the retailer collecting whatever tax rate applies.
Really?? ... REALLY???
Have we gotten so ridiculously out of control with discussions on MacRumors that we are now arguing taxes??? Seriously??? If you're that critical over a company and its pricing, then what ... are... you... doing... HERE?
Yes, but all those examples use circuit boards and computer systems to run them. In fact, my fridge uses a circuit board to monitor the temperatures and control panel on the front. If that circuit board goes, then the fridge fails to run properly. The fact that social norms dictate different terms for these products does not mean they do not have various forms of computers.
Have we gotten so ridiculously out of control with discussions on MacRumors that we are now arguing taxes??? Seriously??? If you're that critical over a company and its pricing, then what ... are... you... doing... HERE?
By your over encompassing and ludicrous "definition", you'd call THIS
[CLIP]
This does not make them computers.
Yes, but all those examples use circuit boards and computer systems to run them. In fact, my fridge uses a circuit board to monitor the temperatures and control panel on the front. If that circuit board goes, then the fridge fails to run properly. The fact that social norms dictate different terms for these products does not mean they do not have various forms of computers.
All the light switches in my house have autonomous controllers and
form a self-healing mesh network with routing and discovery. A
couple of controllers (including PCs) can control them, but they
do a lot on their own (after they've been trained) even if the
intelligent controllers are off.
I hope they don't become self-aware!
On the "is it or isn't it", I don't consider the light switches,
my espresso machine (which runs Linux and even has a serial port),
nor the Harmony remote to be computers. These are intelligent
appliances, with simple single-task UIs.
Smartphones and above, however, are much more computer-like. You can
do many of the things with them that you do with your computer,
often using the same programs. Running Outlook on my phone and
running Outlook on my PC are very similar. Web browsing on the phone
and web browsing on the computer are also nearly the same.
I lean towards calling smartphones "computers" - they do many of
the same tasks as my computer, and I can add large numbers of
applications to them to do other things.
I can't add a Facebook client to my coffee maker - so that's not a
computer - it "has a computer".
That's your opinion. My Mac Pro isn't self aware, I don't believe AI is a criterion for a computer. Arguing over semantics, as fun as it is, doesn't change the fact that most electronics HAVE (there, is that better?) circuit boards, as such they would be considered a computer. Again, no self awareness, I don't intend to wax poetic with my Subzero, but hey, you never know.
On a side not, are we really discussing diction? The difference between IS/ARE and HAS/HAVE does not negate the point we are making. So it HAS a computer/circuit board. Just because you can't use your coffee machine in the same vein as your computer doesn't mean it doesn't have or doesn't equate to a computer. This is a tad silly, no? Arguing over semantics just to argue?
Exactly. It's really juvenile and exhausting to have to defend yourself or argue every time you comment on a front page thread on MacRumors. As much as I hate terms such as "trolling" (it simply sounds very grammar school), there are a few that have been on MacRumors for years that find any little thing to pick apart for the sake of trying to prove themselves right or boost their ego. Is life that boring for some that they need to sit in front of their computer patrolling a website for a company whose products they disdain in order to bait people into an argument to prove they have a purpose in life? It's trite.
I was expressing an opinion - you've decided to make it an argument.
Literally hundreds of devices in my home have microprocessors. I
use the word "computer" (as in "is a computer") for just a few of
them. The rest "have computers inside". Some have circuit boards
but no processors, those don't "have computers".
That's just my opinion on this topic - no need to argue and
shout about it.
By your over encompassing and ludicrous "definition", you'd call THIS
a computer.
And this
These are not, nor will they ever be, computers, and if you keep on wanting to look like an idiot claiming it and your g/f's vibrator and my toaster and my car ARE computers, by all means, keep it up. You only dig yourself in deeper.
We do not say "Fire up the computer Honey and run the toaster program, I need wheat toast today." We say "Fire up the TOASTER."
We do not say "Fire up the computer Honey and run the vibrator program, you're too tired tonight." We say "Fire up the VIBRATOR."
We do not say "Call me on the computer that runs the phone program." We say "Call me on my mobile."
We do not say "Take my computer that runs the car program to work today". We say "Take my car into work today."
Just because things have computer brains DOES NOT, NOR WILL IT EVER, MAKE THEM COMPUTERS.
Almost ALL consumer devices today have computer chip brains.
This does not make them computers.
Thats the definition of a computer. Check any dictionary, I'll wait..
computer |kəmˈpyoōtər|
noun
an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.
• a person who makes calculations, esp. with a calculating machine. - American Dictionary
A computer is a programmable machine that receives input, stores and manipulates data, and provides output in a useful format. - Wikipedia
Computer - and electronic device device that process data according to a set of intructions. - Collins
All the examples you gave above (Apart from the vibrator) ARE or HAVE COMPUTERS. Albiet very specialized computers. Just because some slang doesnt fit an object with a processor doesnt mean its not a computer.
Your digital watch is a computer, a calculator is a computer, a car can have a computer (Depending how new your car is or if its new enough its basically a computer). Your cellphone and possibly even your home phone is a computer. A computer simply does maths (oversimplified to some degree) in binary form. I have a graphics calculator thats capable of being programmed and runs games but its no more a computer than a scientific calculator. Hell, some of the first computers ran off texas instruments' calculator processors.
Oh and I'm sure your girls vibrator just uses a couple of switches and not even really complex circuitry. Most likely just a battery, someting to create a pulsed DC current, a switch and a motor.
They dont have to but its "heavily encouraged". Most companies include GST through customer demand. The GST is the same over all New Zealand. There are laws preventing in New Zealand whats happening to the retail tax system in the US. Such as no states.