Apple pretends that there is no competition

[I7guy]

The fact that the person you're responding to said that MacBook Pro Display has slow response time (which WHOLE internet is saying so and it's clearly visible in everyday usage)

I don’t have a MacBook and didn’t respond to that point.

and you said I DISAGREE says a lot about your response.

I feel the criticism was generalized and inaccurate and an opinion and hence disagreed. For example: one either feels Siri sucks or not. Agree or disagree.

No other arguments, just "I disagree" because you're pressed someone is saying anything wrong about Apple and it's products lol

The original opinion had no meat either. All of these comments are just generalized critical opinions. Agree or not.

Oh and your response to the "Siri sucks" lmao Apple is literally shaking because well... siri sucks but I guess not for you and that's totally fine!

Correct. For me it doesn’t suck, hence my comment. That’s not to say improvement wouldn’t be welcome.

 

[rwilliams]

Proof that Garmin is better because they last a lot longer… I am not keeping a watch for 2 years only. Thats absolutely pathetic

Okay, you've made your point and it sounds like you'd be happier with a Garmin. I'm not sure what else is left to say.

 

[WilliApple]

Okay, you've made your point and it sounds like you'd be happier with a Garmin. I'm not sure what else is left to say.

I want the Apple Ecosystem experience.

 

[rwilliams]

I want the Apple Ecosystem experience.

You'll never get what you're looking for in an Apple Watch, IMO. It just does too many battery draining things to achieve what you want. Believe me, I'd love an Apple Watch Ultra that lasts a week or more. But not at the expense of everything it currently does.

I do think we'll see more fitness-related additions related to coaching and training in watchOS 12. At least I sure hope we do.

 

[MasterNivek]

Depends on what you're using the watch for.

As a general companion to your phone, the Apple Watch is hands-down superior. Integrated notifications, integrated apps. No comparison.

As a fashion accessory, Apple Watch is again far superior. Better color options, band options, face options.

As a sports/fitness device, it's a little murkier. For me, not a hard-core person but like to keep track of my exercise, the Apple Watch does fine (and I get the added other benefits). But if you have specialized requirements, it certainly makes sense to get a specialized device to meet them.

Exactly. It's like a scuba diver saying the U2 sucks or not up to par but missing the whole point. A hard core scuba diver probably won't have an Apple Watch and in most cases, they'd have 2 scuba watches.

The Apple Watch is a do it all watch with great health benefits. For bike riding, it does the job quite well. I upgraded from my S5 to my U2 and love it! Does everything I need and then some with great battery life. If I wanted to bike cross country, I'd probably have a specialized device and not rely solely on my Apple Watch.

 

[MasterNivek]

Save up for an Ultra and you'll be very satisfied. You'll have the best of both worlds. I upgraded from an S5 to a U2 and could be happier. IT's amazing and battery live if phenomenal. Nothing will kill an Apple Watch more than gps and cellular only. The U2 can handle it quite well. Also, look at using Low Power mode and make sure you don't have some rogue app sucking up juice. I don't install any 3rd party apps. Actually I may have one or two but I'm very selective about what goes on my watch.

 

[xDKP]

Apple Watch Series 10: A Runner's Review

www.roadtrailrun.com

Good read - reflect many of my thoughts about the Apple Watch as a runner. UAE the Ultra though and the extra button solved the last piece of the puzzle

 

[Wanted797]

I suggest you go and watch Simon Sinek’s ted talk on the golden circle.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

You obviously misunderstood my point. That‘s no competition…

Yeah, while those may be “products” they’re not “competition”.

 

[sparkie7]

What are the cons of the Ultra apart from battery life?

 

[xDKP]

I wouldn’t run marathons or ultra marathons on AW ultra either. If I was still running marathons I would get a garmin for runs.

I have been running 9 or 10 marathons with Apple Watches normal series before getting the Ultra 1 and since then four marathons with the Ultra and two more coming up this year - It's a perfectly capable marathon watch with plenty of power, a great race-pacer and the build in LTE is just icing on the cake

 

[Grayburn]

What are the cons of the Ultra apart from battery life?

L1 & L5 dual band GPS.

I ride in London a lot and its great between built up buildings. My rides on Strava are not a mess like some rides tracked on a regular Apple Watch, wont matter to many but it does to me.

 

[Grayburn]

I have been running 9 or 10 marathons with Apple Watches normal series before getting the Ultra 1 and since then four marathons with the Ultra and two more coming up this year - It's a perfectly capable marathon watch with plenty of power, a great race-pacer and the build in LTE is just icing on the cake

I did Ride London (100 mile bike ride) with a normal Apple Watch, a 7 i think, in just under 6 hours which is a marathon time for some and it still had juice left.

 

[G5isAlive]

Apple seems to be pretending that there is zero competition with the Apple Watch.

Apple is a very successful company by almost any measure, they are very aware of the tech space they are in.

Lets look at the competition:
Garmin

Oh. Apples and Oranges comparison. Not terribly interesting. They address two different markets. They only 'compete' in a fraction of what the Apple Watch is designed to do.

I'd recommend the Forerunner 165 for most people, and if you are athletic, the 265. Here's what the 165 offers that the Series 10 does not:
- L5 GPS
- Few WEEKS (not days or hours) of battery
- More accurate tracking for pretty much everything
- Better coaching.

Good to know. If I am in need of a dedicated sports watch I will check out the forerunner 265. thanks!

But the fact that Apple Watch has L1 GPS and only 18 hours of battery life is just pathetic.

ohhh.... pathetic? that's rather subjective of you. prefer when people stick to facts. It would seem 18 hours of battery life doesnt suit your needs. fine. I am not going to tell you what you need. Other's find it acceptable (but I wanted more so I got an ultra).

Now you may think that Garmin's are more expensive, but they really aren't! There in fact CHEAPER than the Apple Watch.

actually I never thought this.

Now I know what some of you will be saying, why not just get a Garmin or Apple Watch Ultra? I want the integration with Apple's ecosystem since the Apple Watch is more of a day-to-day watch, and the Apple Watch Ultra is just way too expensive.

The right tool for the right job. If you need a hammer you can complain that screwdriver sucks for driving large nails, but you have the wrong tool and sorta look silly. If you need a Garmin, yes, get a Garmin. and an Apple Watch for the other things it does. you are allowed to get both. as for the UW being too expensive, plenty find it to be good value. More features, More Robust, Bigger Battery.

I have never had any of my friend pay for the subscription, they all seem to enjoy their Garmin's more than their Apple Watch.

I dont have any friends that own a Garmin. Does that mean anything about Garmin? Nope. Your logic would suggest it sucks though

There’s garmin over here with a few weeks of battery and L5 GPS comes standard with every Garmin.

I suggest you google 'power density' to get a better understanding of how batteries work because you seem to think they are some kind of magic that don't follow the rules of physics. I would be surprised if the Garmin power density is 20x better than Apple's. I would bet money Apple battery tech is at least industry standard. The Garmin lasts longer, not because of its better tech, but because it does far less that consumes power. You want an Apple Watch that lasts longer you have two choices, make the watch bigger (bigger battery, more power, thats what they did with the UW), or reduce functions. Which functions would you eliminate?

You are never gonna get a balanced discussion of this comparison on this forum

Agreed. You have a lot of negative people that want to nay say anything Apple does for whatever personal reason, and come to a technical discussion with opinions they parade as facts. You know what Indiana Jones would say.. like bringing a knife to gun fight.

I think we have to stop acting as if the batteries in Apple and Garmin watches are pulling the same duty. Garmins are fitness devices that also act as a smartwatch (to a certain extent). Apple Watches are essentially mini-iPhones that are performing a lot more "smart" functions and also function as fitness trackers

Well said.

That's exactly why I have a Garmin

I want a dialed in, totally focused, fitness watch ... not an extension of my iPhone on my wrist.

Isn't choice great! Glad you found a device that fits your needs.

Would not be an issue if they made the battery good to begin with.
Its a series 8 with 83% battery health.

Oh. Facepalm emoji lol. All your complaints about battery life lost all credibility. We are back to you want what you want because you want it and shame on Apple for not giving you what you want at the price you can afford.

 

[redcarian]

What are the cons of the Ultra apart from battery life?

It’s a big watch, and wears big. It’s expensive. Not everyone will love the flat screen.

 

[sparkie7]

Not everyone will love the flat screen.

Flat screen? Don't all Apple watches have a flat screen.. What's the issue exactly with a flat screen?

 

[G5isAlive]

Flat screen? Don't all Apple watches have a flat screen.. What's the issue exactly with a flat screen?

it's cosmetics. which. shrugs. for a rugged watch? anyway, the normal, thinner Apple Watch has rounded glass bezels for a more seamless look. Me, I just wear them, don't really care, but apparently some do.

 

[sparkie7]

it's cosmetics. which. shrugs. for a rugged watch? anyway, the normal, thinner Apple Watch has rounded glass bezels for a more seamless look. Me, I just wear them, don't really care, but apparently some do.

Yeah, I don’t care if it’s flat or rounded. My iphone pro max is flat, as fair as I notice. All I know is the ultra has a larger screen than my current Apple Watch. That alone is worth it to me. But waiting for Ultra 3

 

[G5isAlive]

Yeah, I don’t care if it’s flat or rounded. My iphone pro max is flat, as fair as I notice. All I know is the ultra has a larger screen than my current Apple Watch. That alone is worth it to me. But waiting for Ultra 3

I agree with you 100%, been wearing an ultra since it was first released. I was just providing an answer to your question 'aren't all AW's screen flat.' I wasn't expressing a preference. I rather like the longer battery life, and the titanium look is growing on me, though I sometimes wear my red AW with the Mickey Mouse face for fun.

 

[sparkie7]

I agree with you 100%, been wearing an ultra since it was first released. I was just providing an answer to your question 'aren't all AW's screen flat.' I wasn't expressing a preference. I rather like the longer battery life, and the titanium look is growing on me, though I sometimes wear my red AW with the Mickey Mouse face for fun.

The black titanium is killer. Love it. I hope they offer it in the Ultra 3. Yeah, and longer battery life is always a good thing

 

[TechnoMonk]

I have been running 9 or 10 marathons with Apple Watches normal series before getting the Ultra 1 and since then four marathons with the Ultra and two more coming up this year - It's a perfectly capable marathon watch with plenty of power, a great race-pacer and the build in LTE is just icing on the cake

It can be doable on street marathons. But garmin shines in trail ultra/marathons where the path to get back is important. I think AW also has it now. Battery after s6 is pretty decent to finish street marathons where map or a 50k. I will upgrade to ultra when my S6 dies.

 

[Night Spring]

What are the cons of the Ultra apart from battery life?

Size. Too big and heavy for small wrists like mine.

Flat screen? Don't all Apple watches have a flat screen.. What's the issue exactly with a flat screen?

I actually prefer the flat screen. It's easier to read.

I would buy a smaller Ultra, even if it had just the same battery life as a regular Apple watch.

 

[sparkie7]

I actually prefer the flat screen. It's easier to read.

I would buy a smaller Ultra, even if it had just the same battery life as a regular Apple watch.

Yeah, agree. The flat screen is simpler and more readable right into the corners

Not sure they would make a smaller Ultra though... I guess time will tell..

 

[azhava]

I have a Garmin Fenix 6, and wore an FR935 before that. They're both gathering dust up in my electronics cupboard since I replaced them with the AW8 and now the AWU2.

Garmin's display, UI and smartwatch capabilities are primitive compared to the AW. I'd go back to it for the battery life if I were competing in ultramarathons or Ironman tris, or multi-day hikes off the grid, but as a daily smartwatch and for the training I do, it poses no competition whatsoever to an AW for me.

Apple could easily make a watch that competed with Garmin for battery life - all they'd have to do is degrade the display, dumb it down and remove about 90% of its functionality, but then it wouldn't be much of an Apple Watch.

In the big picture of smartwatch sales, Garmin is a small fish in a big pond. From the statistics I can find, Apple holds 32% of the market, while Garmin is at 4%. Even Samsung (10%) and Huawei (7%) are well above Garmin, and Fitbit is barely behind them. So Apple isn't "pretending" there's no competition - sales figures say they're absolutely correct. Garmin are a niche product and their core functionality is geared toward a very small and very specialized demographic.

 

[TechnoMonk]

I have a Garmin Fenix 6, and wore an FR935 before that. They're both gathering dust up in my electronics cupboard since I replaced them with the AW8 and now the AWU2.

Garmin's display, UI and smartwatch capabilities are primitive compared to the AW. I'd go back to it for the battery life if I were competing in ultramarathons or Ironman tris, or multi-day hikes off the grid, but as a daily smartwatch and for the training I do, it poses no competition whatsoever to an AW for me.

Apple could easily make a watch that competed with Garmin for battery life - all they'd have to do is degrade the display, dumb it down and remove about 90% of its functionality, but then it wouldn't be much of an Apple Watch.

In the big picture of smartwatch sales, Garmin is a small fish in a big pond. From the statistics I can find, Apple holds 32% of the market, while Garmin is at 4%. Even Samsung (10%) and Huawei (7%) are well above Garmin, and Fitbit is barely behind them. So Apple isn't "pretending" there's no competition - sales figures say they're absolutely correct. Garmin are a niche product and their core functionality is geared toward a very small and very specialized demographic.

My garmin and polar watches are collecting dust. On polar you had the ability to pair with phone for notifications and messages. Battery life was 3rd of the regular use with notifications on.