Thank goodness we can only put Apple approved software on our Macs.........I feel so safe, after all Papa Tim knows, best, right?
What's that I hear, "1984"
What's that I hear, "1984"
Just like there was no real reason to ever put anything but Apple approved software on you Mac or only Microsoft software on your PC?I don’t think they do. It’s really a few vocal users here who want to be able to sideload third party apps. I am not sure if there is any legitimate point for this, or they just want to prove a point.
I don’t think any developer is clamouring for greater piracy. Rather, what they want is to be able to use their own payment system (basically to avoid paying Apple their 30% cut), and for there to be greater oversight of the App Store.
In short, they want to have their cake and eat it too. But by and large, I believe most people would want the App Store to stay intact as is.
Good, this is good step in the right direction. Imagine if the only apps you could install on Mac was from the Apple Store, that would be horrible right? While, that is iOS basically.
The apps in the App Store (on Mac) are just pure garbage. The best software is on outside the App Store on Mac. So we can see better quality apps on iOS if the App Store is opened up.
Just like there was no real reason to ever put anything but Apple approved software on you Mac or only Microsoft software on your PC?
Also it's easier for Apple to protect us from things we shouldn't see or hear.I think you have cause and effect backwards.
The macOS App Store is a barren wasteland because users are allowed to download apps directly from third party websites. There was no need for them to go through the App Store, and so they didn’t.
In contrast, the iPhone launched within an App Store, and when it launched a year later, every developer hopped on it because it was the only way to sell apps to users.
This means that I as an iPhone user can purchase any app I want directly from the App Store. No need to visit 50 different websites to download 50 different apps (especially if I want to reinstall them later). My subscriptions are all consolidated in one page for my ready viewing and management. I can update all of them with the tap of a single button. I don’t have to worry about my payment details getting compromised in the event of a hack.
It’s just so much more convenient when I have everyone in one place for ready, easy access.
Opening up the App Store would definitely see many other types of apps that previously weren’t allowed on iOS. Porn. Gambling. Vaping. Maybe pirated or clone apps. Even Parler.
More variety, yes. I wouldn’t call them better quality though.
Also it's easier for Apple to protect us from things we shouldn't see or hear.
If macOS had been locked down the same way iOS is, those apps would have been in the macOS App Store. But that rubicon has long been crossed. It’s too late for the Mac, but it’s also precisely what results in the greatest amount of good for the greatest number of users on iOS.
Again you have absolutely zero understanding of how the technologies you use are developed.
If the Mac was a locked down as iOS the app store wouldn't exist.
The only reason the software that is on the App Store exists is because there are open operating systems (like macOS/Windows/Linux) that allow developers to build it.
Which may be true, but it’s not what I was responding to.
At best, it just means that the only good reason for the Mac to remain open is so that developers can continue to develop apps for iOS.
You oppose that they charge for a service they provide. Well, some people don’t work for free.
How that has implications on privacy though is tricky for me to understand. They’re a corporation and they’re out there to make money.
No, you think that because you live in a bubble where all that matters is Apple and their bottom line.
The advancement and development of society depends on open operating systems that allow software to be developed.
Example, the development of electric vehicle platforms that will ultimately help tackle climate change need software to be written to run them, do you think Elon and co are writing this on an iPhone??!
You need to look at the bigger picture rather than focussing on the next app store fart app.
Gatekeeper is poor at preventing malware in a situation where there are many legitimate distribution sources. Gatekeeper only verifies developer signature and checks if app is flagged for malware during the first application launch. Getting around those restrictions is actually simple when there isn’t Apple watching over. If you want to make it effective you need constant application monitoring and traffic filtering.You haven't answered the question you just keep responding with privacy and security FUD.
Why can't a gatekeeper system be implemented similar to the Mac?
So my thing is ... I’ve purchased apps on the App Store but can no longer install them. Luckily I downloaded them and was able to side load them on my older iPad. My main issue is that if I purchased these apps I should be able to still use them. I guess I should have added that to my original comment.What's the difference between software outside the app store and pirated apps? Both are still software. If you want to install software as you please, then it doesn't matter the legitimacy of the software itself.
I know oberservation span has always been a problem to people - reading the article would answer your question from an apple person himself saying - the thight store is for privacy reason ...
Yeah - dead hitter argument - A i say it again A company needs to make money - Apple makes enough money and can adjust their portfolio to make „money“ somewhere else!
Gatekeeper is poor at preventing malware in a situation where there are many legitimate distribution sources. Gatekeeper only verifies developer signature and checks if app is flagged for malware during the first application launch. Getting around those restrictions is actually simple when there isn’t Apple watching over.
No traffic filtering required, and iOS has strong protections in place.If you want to make it effective you need constant application monitoring and traffic filtering.
You haven't answered the question you just keep responding with privacy and security FUD.
Why can't a gatekeeper system be implemented similar to the Mac?
You can find it fine - i say its not - POINT!Na, the concept is fine here and is a successful business as anywhere else on a walled garden. You are not forced to get their product and buy something else.
But thanks for the silly ad hominem.
You can find it fine - i say its not - POINT!
Hard to argue with this kind of logic!In other words, you are removing my choice to not have a choice.
Point?
I just don’t see the necessity of it. We lived an easy life with one - and exactly one - App Store on any Apple device, as well as plenty other entertainment systems. Let’s not pretend walled garden ecosystems are new or that the consumer doesn’t know what they’re buying into.
Point?
I just don’t see the necessity of it. We lived an easy life with one - and exactly one - App Store on any Apple device, as well as plenty other entertainment systems. Let’s not pretend walled garden ecosystems are new or that the consumer doesn’t know what they’re buying into.
Easy if you don't have to run a business that uses it or happen to have an app that competes with one of Apples services..
I find that logic to be very circular. It is, you know, accept, it isn’t open to change.
It’s an OK take on it, but fails to acknowledge a couple key points. Apple has dropped their cut to 15% for smaller developers (grossing less than $1M/year). The next is continuous software development and advancement of all the Apple APIs/ SDKs and frameworks. I could very well see Apple not allowing full use of all their frameworks and developer tools for apps distributed outside the App Store. And they would be well within their right to do that. In fact, their cut of revenue is specifically classified as the primary source of funding for continued development of developer tools, APIs, etc.. in addition to App Store marketing, legal expenses and more.If any of you have half an hour to kill, Renee Ritchie does a pretty good take on the issue (he starts with the 30% cut).