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It pisses me off that it's close to impossible to replace a defective component instead of replacing the whole motherboard

Coming from my old days as a service technician… screw that. It took me 15-20 minutes to replace a MacBook logic board if I didn't get interrupted by some crybaby asking when his machine will be ready. Diagnosing an individual component, desoldering it, resoldering the replacement, testing it… that'd take hours upon hours.


I mean, if you want to wait weeks for your repair, and have the price of the machine go up exponentially because the labour charges for warranty repairs go up insanely… well, best of luck to you.
 
To hell with green this and green that.

I'll club a baby seal and burn down a forest for Apple to make a small notebook that doesn't suck.

I am so glad there are people like you on this earth.
 
Well all the light bulbs in my house are 11W or 15W so I rather doubt the claim in the ad...
(old style high power filament bulbs are basically being phased out)
 
Glad to see a Mac ad that's actually about the Mac. Maybe other companies will follow and make their products more eco friendly.

Pretty hard to find computers full of mercury and lead etc now, component companies have been removing these things for years - like anyone they'll do it if it suits them, it's just a bit frustrating for me when you see an ad campaign trying to sell on how great/green they are.

Dell got their business model slated ages ago for 'going green'. They didn't advertise it on telly, they had business experts telling them it was too early and until IT managers (not building services) were responsible for power consumption and recycling, noone really cares.

If you're going to revise product lines and increase production efficiency - I'd like to see the cost and tech benefits passed on to customers, not a frustrating ad campaign.
 
Why is it "environmentally friendly" rather than "environment-friendly"? After all, we say and write "user-friendly" and not "userally friendly".

I hope that the environmentists' science is better than their English!
 
I am so glad there are people like you on this earth.

I can only deal with so much of any given cause before I'll start to despise everything about it.

My hatred for the current topic stems from hearing some whack job actually use the phrase "green collar job" in a serious sense.
 
They're also the glossiest and most overpriced family of notebooks, but you won't hear nothing about that....:p
 
And like someone else pointed out earlier in the thread: how about all the energy, resources and pollution generated when actually producing a computer? "Think different", huh? Apple's just about the $$$$ like all other companies. Being environmentally concerned means less $$$$. You can't get both.

The new production methods use considerably less resources. I have been involved in manufacturing for a few years now and what Apple are doing is really turning the process on it's head STARTING with the manufacturing process.

There is a lot less resource used in the production process because the whole machine only has 3 core parts. Your Dell laptop with over 65 all plastic parts in the chassis needs a lot more energy and waste in it path to production. It is also highly non-recyclable.

The new laptops as a "waste product" is the WHOLE POINT - the aluminum and glass frame can be 96% recycled and the motherboards contain less carcinogens and are certainly more recyclable. There is considerably more chassis stability in the new laptop and as a by product they will last longer.

I too have two 5+ year old macs working nicely in my office - one as a print server - one as an accounting machine. NONE of the PC's we have are more than 3 years old as they just burn out or worst of all the software we need has made it unusable. The average repair requirement on a mac is 50% less than a PC and the resell value of a 2 year old mac is easily twice that (comparable) of a PC. I just sold my 17 month old laptop for £900. The Dell laptops we have are practically worthless. Were now looking to run all our windows software on macs (with windows installed) simply because they need less attention than the PC's and we know they will last longer.

I think this is good going from Apple and I don't think they will stop where they are Al Gore is on the board and Im sure he will push for more. You cant just jump from your standard manufacturing process to a completely green business overnight. It takes a few steps at a time - this is a huge leap for a major manufacturer - and knowing Apples reputation other companies will see this and do what they always do - copy them.
 
How many people seriously think "Wow, this is a nice computer, but I won't buy it because it's not environmentally friendly."?

How many people care at all about how environmentally friendly it is? I was under the impression most people didn't, and the few that do already know about how highly recyclable the new aluminum and glass MacBook is without a commercial telling them.
 
How many people seriously think "Wow, this is a nice computer, but I won't buy it because it's not environmentally friendly."?

ha ha ha! I bet theres a few self righteous types out there that do.

Your so right - at the end of the day it's all just another reason to get one. And Im sure that advert was cheap to make (and didnt use and nasty chemicals in the process)
 
Interesting they specifically mention mercury when the world seems largely unconcerned with mercury in other ways. Two examples: I see a dentist who still feels perfectly comfortable placing mercury fillings. Another example, is that people are moving toward fluorescent bulbs for the environment's sake.

I am much more concerned about the mercury residing in my mouth which releases mercury vapors constantly or the possibility of a lamp falling over and releasing mercury than my MacBook's LCD having mercury.

I'm glad Apple has gotten the message about Hg, I guess I am just pointing out that it seems weird we get hyperfocused on eliminating it from one area of life but not from others which may have more detrimental effects.
 
I'd say possibly the greenest thing Apple can do is eliminate styrofoam from their packaging with that water-soluble stuff. Nothing like an electronic device being touted as green when it's packaging is still a major polluter!

...on the printer manufacturers that engineer the cartridges to not be refillable.

Can't they find some horrible thing that's happened to baby seals from all of those printer cartridges thrown away after one use?

I'm assuming that's why HP gives you the postage paid envelope to mail in your cartridges and have them recycled, to keep Greenpeace off their back. Nonetheless there is still a lot of unnecessary waste in the tech world.
 
That would be a quarter of the power of a non-eco lightbulb, you understand =P

Mercury is a massive concern. It's nothing to do with a little bit of mercury in the battery damaging your skin or even if the battery breaks and a tiny bit of mercury gets on your carpet.

It's to do with the fact that thousands of tons of used electronics has to be somehow dealt with. The whole point of RoHS compliancy was so that we don't have to handle tons of toxic substances. It may be under a gram of mercury, but when you're dealing with a few thousand machines, that's well over the healthy limit getting on your hands. When you factor in all sorts of hazardous chemicals that somehow have to be recycled or disposed of in the future, you create BIG problems.

Just look what happened with fridges, disposing of CFC's is an absolute bloody nightmare! Same goes for CRT monitors, typically lead lined glass which was a pain to dispose of.

Eco friendliness isn't just about making stuff with less CO2, it's about making sure that in the future when we have to get rid of our hardware, we haven't got tons and tons of un-recyclable stuff to get rid of. We've got a lot better, and companies seem to realise that people are actually becoming concerned about it now.

It's a genuine problem that's got to be solved, this isn't just a copy and paste from a greenpeace site.

http://www.rohs.gov.uk/ have a read =)
 
Everybody's doing it...

ASUS N Series Leads the Way with 9 EPEAT Gold Awards
- A Testament to ASUS’ Steadfast Commitment to the Environment -​

ASUS, a company synonymous with both quality and the conservation of the environment, has been actively promoting the values of environmental conservation and social responsibility by producing greener products for the market.

This practice has now been honored with a total of 9 EPEAT (Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool) gold awards.
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EPEAT, which utilizes one of the highest rated and strictest standards for green computing worldwide, is one of the fastest growing eco-labels in the IT industry; and the ASUS N Series leads the way as a prime example of the Green ASUS “Four Green Home Runs” initiative that comprises of: Green Design, Green Procurement, Green Manufacturing, and Green Service and Marketing of all ASUS notebooks.

http://promos.asus.com/US/Newsletter/NB_Oct08/Stories/Green_Glory.html


EPEAT lists product awards at their website:

  • Dell - 106 entries
  • HP - 102 entries
  • Lenovo - 82 entries
  • Samsung - 179 entries
  • Sony - 123 entries
  • Toshiba - 48 entries
  • Apple - 21 entries

Dell's new LED-backlit E-series laptops are all gold-star as well.

I guess this is just another case where Apple marketing's use of a superlative ("first", "best", "fastest", "thinnest", "lightest", "greenest"...) stretches the definition of the term a bit. ;)
 
Seriously, does anyone really believe this "environmentally friendly" crap from Apple (and other companies)
Not Apple, but some smaller firms are interested. Sometimes environmental concerns intersect with profit, such as insulation/energy efficient devices. Some of the brightest and highest earning people I've had the pleasure of working with would much prefer me to maintain their stable 5-plus year old systems than ride the upgrade treadmill. Yes, some applications do benefit from regular updates to the latest hardware/software, but most do not.

If they really cared about the environment they would make computers that lasted for more than a couple of years and make it possible to have them repaired like in the old days of electronics.
Indeed. Same for much electronics built in the last decade or two. At the end of the '90s the family home finally saw the TVs/VCRs/washing machines/etc bought in the early '80s become uneconomical. Nothing has lasted that long since. Yes, the initial cost was higher then, but it is more rational to care about "average cost to run X per year considering repairs/replacements" not "cost of a new X".

What is more, an old TV that I can repair myself (OK, I won't risk repairing a CRT myself, but I can fix other electronics) or have someone out to fix the same day is a lot more convenient than some black box I need to have sent off for days.

buying a complete upper part of the laptop just because the trackpad button is worn out. Now, Apple -is that thinking about the environment?
To quote a repair enthusiast, "If Apple can save 5 cents on a part, they will". Especially if it means using solder and glue instead of cables and fittings. They sell cheap hardware at high margins, so it's more economical for them to replace than repair. For most computers in my charge, if almost anything goes wrong I have a spare in a drawer I can swap out in 10 minutes.

Of course, if a VAX falls over, there exists a community of enthusiasts that could advise me at the PCB component level. I acknowledge that current mount tech makes this less feasible, but one can still e.g. replace a bad cap.

I'll be keeping my 3 year old Powerbook G4 until I can no longer use it even though it's considered a "dinosaur" by most people these days.
If it does what you need it to do, good work!

Bravo, Apple, you're making a PR exercise out of regulatory compliance (to appeal to the hep but clueless freshman crowd, no doubt). Now make hardware in all your equipment easier to swap out - all batteries in everything, and an iMac in the style of the original G5 - and people outside the Mac world will take your "green" efforts seriously. And comparing an idle laptop to a traditional incandescent light bulb is thoroughly misleading.

There are a few complainers -- however -- that use a glossy screen and do not like them.
Of course. People who don't like glossy will have made the decision to avoid it ages ago. Just because something is OK for some, it doesn't mean it's OK for all others. People are different. People's environments and workloads are different.

If you don't use the glossy screen right in front of the sun, you should be fine.
Any glare will involve more refocusing and brain processing. Some eyes and brains might be designed such that this won't significantly affect performance, others won't. That's why choice is great.
 
MSI Wind

Environmental awareness in all its glory, but I really think Apple should throw out a cheap of power consumption (and price!) netbook to compete with gads like the MSI Wind. Low power = environmental = easy as that.

Although I am still a (more than) happy owner of a last year's gen Macbook Pro 2.4 and due to the fact Apple hasn't come up with a netbook, I will today also receive my 10" MSI Wind (LED backlit, 1.6 GHz Atom..) screen that will perfectly fine run the best OS of the world, for a bargain of 300 bucks! I just can't resist..
 
if anybody really feels guilty about buying a computer they can even it out by not using plastic bags for their groceries for a week.[/QUOTE said:
It's not about EVENing out! There would be no progress made.

A lot of our old electronics get sold and shipped off to China and not regulated. Those places are some of the most toxic places on earth.

Be happy that Al is on board.

Bravo Apple!
 
Never mind climate change does anyone care in the current economic climate?
My government has chosen to use its citizens' money to prop up the Ponzi schemes that caused the "crisis" (where are those middle class slums? thought not) in the first place.

Bravo to the bankers who managed to make an unsustainable business model sustainable, but the government would do more for the long term welfare of the nation by redirecting the money to the plight of sea kittens ;).

Meanwhile, think local, or train as a vulture on forex :cool:. You'll do fine.
 
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