Everything on Apple's site worked well for me, except VR as I am still using Leopard. You seem to be predisposed to hate it. Be careful, too much hatred may cause cancer.
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Apple Promotes HTML5, First iPhone Game Demo in HTML5, and More
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But the iPad doesn't even have Flash to begin with so how would you compare it to HTML5 if it doesn't even exist as a plugin.
If the browser supports both Flash and HTML5, then you can start comparing.
why is this stuff not running on any other browser?
From an economic standpoint it would be much wiser to just release a plugin for safari that plays flash. Otherwise trillions of websites whould have to be converted to html5 (what will not happen)
If Apple really wants to demonstrate what html5 can do, their page needs to run on ALL browsers (IE9 with html5 support, firefox, chrome...)
Showing messages like "you need to download safari" is just plain silly, flash is a standard that works on 90% of the computers on this planet, why should people change?
Adobe could make flash an open source standard and optimize performance for touchscreen devices but thats it, we dont need to re-invent the wheel, just because apple likes us to do so!
From an economic standpoint it would be much wiser to just release a plugin for safari that plays flash. Otherwise trillions of websites whould have to be converted to html5 (what will not happen)
If Apple really wants to demonstrate what html5 can do, their page needs to run on ALL browsers (IE9 with html5 support, firefox, chrome...)
Showing messages like "you need to download safari" is just plain silly, flash is a standard that works on 90% of the computers on this planet, why should people change?
Adobe could make flash an open source standard and optimize performance for touchscreen devices but thats it, we dont need to re-invent the wheel, just because apple likes us to do so!
I don't think Flash is the reason for those pages to be so slow or cumbersome. The web designers set them up to look good as some sort of work of art, not as vehicles to get you the information quickly, efficiently or flexibly. For example, I don't expect most car company websites to improve even if they stop using Flash.
theBB said:Everything on Apple's site worked well for me, except VR as I am still using Leopard. You seem to be predisposed to hate it. Be careful, too much hatred may cause cancer.
I'm referring to it failing miserably on the ipads version of Safari.
I am almost positive you misunderstood what he meant. He was making a joke at Adobe's expense saying Steve was magical and could block something that doesn't exist (full flash plugins for mobile devices).
I agree with you said about Adobe by the way... but I don't think Wovel was bashing Apple.
From an economic standpoint it would be much wiser to just release a plugin for safari that plays flash. Otherwise trillions of websites whould have to be converted to html5 (what will not happen)
If Apple really wants to demonstrate what html5 can do, their page needs to run on ALL browsers (IE9 with html5 support, firefox, chrome...)
Showing messages like "you need to download safari" is just plain silly, flash is a standard that works on 90% of the computers on this planet, why should people change?
Adobe could make flash an open source standard and optimize performance for touchscreen devices but thats it, we dont need to re-invent the wheel, just because apple likes us to do so!
web sites in flash suck. They should be converted.
jeznav said:
Trust me I know the iPad doesnt support Flash, I'm reminded of that every time I go to a site with video I or my daughter would like to watch. Including this site we're on now. The apologists cry about it eating too much battery. Fine, give us the plugin and let the apologists disable theirs and let the rest of us that want it use it. I'm perfectly capable of charging my devices, I do it constantly with my daughter's Touch and it doesn't even support Flash.
Adobe has had years to create and deliver a mobile-device-optimized version of Flash and yet they have failed to deliver. Not just on the iPhone platform, but basically all platforms. Even the Mozilla Foundation dumped Flash support at the 11th hour on Firefox Mobile for the Maemo platform because of performance inadequacies.From an economic standpoint it would be much wiser to just release a plugin for safari that plays flash. Otherwise trillions of websites whould have to be converted to html5 (what will not happen)
If Apple really wants to demonstrate what html5 can do, their page needs to run on ALL browsers (IE9 with html5 support, firefox, chrome...)
Showing messages like "you need to download safari" is just plain silly, flash is a standard that works on 90% of the computers on this planet, why should people change?
Adobe could make flash an open source standard and optimize performance for touchscreen devices but thats it, we dont need to re-invent the wheel, just because apple likes us to do so!
The iPhone was released almost three years ago and Adobe is now claiming that they might have something suitable by the end of this calendar year, 3.5 years after the iPhone was released (and the iPhone was not the first smartphone platform).
Adobe is either lazy or incompetent. Take your pick. Either way, their relevance in this market diminishes every single day that they can't deliver a useful mobile Flash implementation.
My guess is that Adobe has missed their ideal window of opportunity by 18-24 months. That's an eternity in this market.
Adobe massively bungled the entire situation. Not just iPhone support, but pretty much all mobile device support.
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Why can't apple show off some amazing, open, CROSS PLATFORM, HTML 5 stuff?
Telling me install Safari or use an iPhone isn't exactly my view of an open standard.
What did work on my Nexus One was impressive nonetheless.
Why can't apple show off some amazing, open, CROSS PLATFORM, HTML 5 stuff?
Telling me install Safari or use an iPhone isn't exactly my view of an open standard.
What did work on my Nexus One was impressive nonetheless.
Many Flash pages are not designed to interact through touching. Just think of video controls or images that appear if your mouse cursor hovers over some objects. There is no hovering in a touch based OS. You either touch something or you don't. On the other hand, you can pinch or double finger tap that you could not do with just a mouse. Besides, many Flash based sites are image based, not text based. You cannot really use them on a small screen, as either every element becomes too small or the whole page does not fit into the screen. Even if you try to just tolerate a larger than screen page, you cannot really scroll sideways to get the far corner, as your fingers would probably activate unexpected parts of that Flash page.
These issues will require many of these web pages to be redesigned anyways. If you are going to spend time and money on it, you might as well use HTML5, so that you don't lose out on iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad market, as well as every other smartphone that does not have a Flash plug-in.
You do realize that would get devs content with making crappy, buggy, and battery draining content and thus the web would never change? You completely missed the point on why it has been outright disabled in the first place. If it was offered as an option, then nothing would change at all.
I dunno, lately I've having a change in heart. While I don't support Flash, still thinking it's a buggy load of crap (flames in 3... 2... 1...), they could have made it an option.
Granted I have my eyes on Android these days. (flames in 3... 2... 1...) Though I still support OS X.
I thought that was a little hypocritical of them. Apple could at least added support for WebKit based browsers, like Chrome, instead of JUST Safari.
No. I am completely blown away, too. F'n amazing. I love it. Can't wait for it to get going.
Early stage technology demos are often highly restricted in terms of hardware and software requirements. MacRumors was probably remiss by not hammering that point home.
It is reasonable to expect that such technology demos would open up to a wider range of devices/platforms over the course of time, probably months.
You will have to exercise patience.
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And? Why can't it work on any HTML5 capable browser?
So Steve's solution for my open web is to use Apple hardware/software. No thanks.
Demonstrate some good stuff on Linux, Windows chrome, Firefox, Opera, hell Amiga OS to she me how open this stuff is.
marksman said:
And? Why can't it work on any HTML5 capable browser?
So Steve's solution for my open web is to use Apple hardware/software. No thanks.
Demonstrate some good stuff on Linux, Windows chrome, Firefox, Opera, hell Amiga OS to she me how open this stuff is.
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As long as the "use safari" stuff doesn't become the norm, I will be happy.
I really don't want to go back to the days of "this website is best viewed with internet explorer" (replace IE with Safari).
cvaldes said:
As long as the "use safari" stuff doesn't become the norm, I will be happy.
I really don't want to go back to the days of "this website is best viewed with internet explorer" (replace IE with Safari).
Unfortunately, I believe it is still very common if you are picky about your page layout looking exactly the same on every browser.
Well the first game crashed my iPad Safari.
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but no flash is just stupid.
HTML5 is great for somethings but will never replace flash.
Btw ever hear of Gordon?
It's flash on iPhone done with JavaScript.
http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/
Very experimental now but it can be done.
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but no flash is just stupid.HTML5 is great for somethings but will never replace flash.
Btw ever hear of Gordon?
It's flash on iPhone done with JavaScript.
http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/
Very experimental now but it can be done.
Plus, if you already know that your content isn't going to work on a particular browser, why transmit the bits?
Again, this is an early-stage technology demonstration. While we would hope that the final "product" runs on a wide variety of browsers, it is reasonable at this point to accept that it only runs acceptably in a limited number of situations.