Apple Promotes HTML5, First iPhone Game Demo in HTML5, and More

[e32boy]

Trust me I know the iPad doesnt support Flash, I'm reminded of that every time I go to a site with video I or my daughter would like to watch. Including this site we're on now. The apologists cry about it eating too much battery. Fine, give us the plugin and let the apologists disable theirs and let the rest of us that want it use it. I'm perfectly capable of charging my devices, I do it constantly with my daughter's Touch and it doesn't even support Flash.

Have a look:
http://paulirish.com/work/gordon/demos/

 

[emulator]

Paves the way in launching an ARM-based AppleTV device that also functions as a game console.

Funniest comment of the week: tv as a console . Seriously,. that device even fails as a media player.

 

[Darkroom]

omg! apple reworked their website with the latest HTML5 technology. damn, that is pure sex!

 

[Zc456]

Plugins should have never been treated as part of the web ( be it Flash, Silverlight, ActiveX and what not). Finally we are going back to the basics of web.

A little too basic if you ask me. The fact that you need Safari to view these goes back to the days when most websites forced you to view them in IE. Some still do but rarely these days thanks to standards, ironically.

Apple uses a browser sniffer for their HTML5 demos? LOL, that's so web 0.1. Doing such things was en-vogue 10 years ago, when Internet Explorer had his time.

Big fail from Apple, IMHO.

Riight. Browser sniffers can be useful when done right. However, this is not one of those moments.

 

[Westside guy]

Why can't apple show off some amazing, open, CROSS PLATFORM, HTML 5 stuff?

Telling me install Safari or use an iPhone isn't exactly my view of an open standard.

Webkit's initial support for certain HTML5 CSS stuff required the use of non-standard designations e.g. "-webkit-border-radius". It's the same issue in Mozilla actually, although for them drop in "-moz-" at the beginning rather than "-webkit-".

Safari now seems to support the agreed-upon standard style descriptors for a lot of properties (such as "border-radius"); but it's possible they've been working on these demos longer than that support has been available. Of course it's also possible they used the "-webkit-" descriptors specifically to lock it to Safari.

Chrome uses webkit as well but I think they're conforming to the standards WRT CSS declarations - I might be wrong on that though.

 

[kockgunner]

Apple uses a browser sniffer for their HTML5 demos? LOL, that's so web 0.1. Doing such things was en-vogue 10 years ago, when Internet Explorer had his time.

Big fail from Apple, IMHO.

The interesting thing is that the typography demo on Apple's HTML5 demo site has larger slider handles when viewed on the iPhone for more finger friendliness. HTML5 is amazing and way smoother than flash for mobile even on Froyo.

 

[FrankieTDouglas]

web sites in flash suck. They should be converted.

A bad layout and navigation sucks, regardless of its backend. Plus, HTML5 does not support all of the functions that Flash provides.

Safari works on Windows.

And it doesn't on Linux.

Your lack of understanding is obvious. This game is being touted as a breakthrough, when it fact this was possible YEARS ago in Flash, WITH proper audio support, and across all platforms.

 

[cvaldes]

Funniest comment of the week: tv as a console . Seriously,. that device even fails as a media player.

I hope you're an AAPL shareholder because if I'm wrong, you will be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[LagunaSol]

I really don't want to go back to the days of "this website is best viewed with internet explorer" (replace IE with Safari).

If all browsers will hurry up and get on board with HTML5, that won't happen.

 

[cvaldes]

Your lack of understanding is obvious. This game is being touted as a breakthrough, when it fact this was possible YEARS ago in Flash, WITH proper audio support, and across all platforms.

Including mobile platforms? All of those?

Really?

 

[Gleemen]

Emm I don't really care about this because their still is no html5 sites that will stream me shows like hulu does. Over all I'm just sick of this subject...

 

[emulator]

Adobe has had years to create and deliver a mobile-device-optimized version of Flash and yet they have failed to deliver. Not just on the iPhone platform, but basically all platforms. Even the Mozilla Foundation dumped Flash support at the 11th hour on Firefox Mobile for the Maemo platform because of performance inadequacies.

The iPhone was released almost three years ago and Adobe is now claiming that they might have something suitable by the end of this calendar year, 3.5 years after the iPhone was released (and the iPhone was not the first smartphone platform).

Your comparison is similar to game development. Hey, we wanted to make PS3 quality games for ages yet the tech and chips were not ready. OK, the iphone came out 3.5 yrs ago but the original chips were nothing compared to those in the G4 or in the iPad.

Adobe may had yrs to make a decent flash plugin for mobile devices but the power it requires were not even available for that platform.

 

[ChazUK]

If all browsers will hurry up and get on board with HTML5, that won't happen.

Cross platform, unified and optimsed standards is what we should all dream of.
I hope it happens!

The only browser I do not care for is Internet Explorer for the immense damage Microsoft inflicted with its wanton control of the web.

Good to know they failed.

 

[Justinf79]

Other than the Darkroom demo(it fails to upload a pic off my comp), things worked perfectly fine, in OS X and the iPad. HTML5 still has a year or so before it can begin to replace flash on the web, IMO.

 

[cvaldes]

Your comparison is similar to game development. Hey, we wanted to make PS3 quality games for ages yet the tech and chips were not ready. OK, the iphone came out 3.5 yrs ago but the original chips were nothing compared to those in the G4 or in the iPad.

Adobe may had yrs to make a decent flash plugin for mobile devices but the power it requires were not even available for that platform.

If that is the defense that Adobe would put forward, then Apple is indeed correct that Flash sucks (on current and previous processors) and therefore Adobe needs to shut their traps (or admit that they are unable to provide proper performance at this time).

Perhaps you are right. I was remiss in not including the possibility that Adobe was downright wrong, in addition to the options of being lazy and/or incompetent.

However, if Adobe is unable to provide a suitably performing Flash plug-in for current mobile processor technology, they need to come out and admit it. They have been saying "coming soon now" for 3+ years and have been wrong on an ongoing basis.

That's where incompetence really steps in. They say they can do it, but they have spent years underscoring the fact that they cannot.

That sounds like incompetence (or at least ignorance of their own abilities) to me.

 

[341328]

No idea

Nice, I can't wait to see HTML 5 start to catch on! Looks like flash is going to get left in the dust

oh please. HTML5 is as big a mess as HTML4 and the same as HTML10. A web browser without Flash is seriously flawed!

 

[cvaldes]

oh please. HTML5 is as big a mess as HTML4 and the same as HTML10. A web browser without Flash is seriously flawed!

Nah, Netscape Navigator 3.0 was awesome without Flash!

 

[SDAVE]

Major fail by Apple. The web is not only about this kind of stuff.

Flash does more than video and photo libraries. Granted, Flash performance sucks a bit, especially under OS X, it's still a good platform.

 

[marksman]

Major fail by Apple. The web is not only about this kind of stuff.

Flash does more than video and photo libraries. Granted, Flash performance sucks a bit, especially under OS X, it's still a good platform.

Way to check out the demos.

Flash sucks... Web development based on standards is better for everyone involved (except sucky web developers who have to rely on flash to make web pages.)

You can still use Flash with HTML5, you just shouldn't use it for anything that can be done natively... That would be silly.

 

[mixel]

All very good. It's reassuring to see Apple showing the way on this one.

The only point of this is to show people that HTML5 will be capable of slick content, and has significant advantages. Searchable text is a pretty big deal.. Full window rendering is good too.. Little boxes of plugin content was always bad, whether it be flash or anything else.

Yes flash can do more right now. Apple haven't said otherwise. I'm just happy to see html evolve with the web.

 

[cvaldes]

Major fail by Apple. The web is not only about this kind of stuff.

Flash does more than video and photo libraries. Granted, Flash performance sucks a bit, especially under OS X, it's still a good platform.

A.) It's just an early-stage technology demonstration, and

B.) The main point is that they are showing technologies that scale on devices ranging from mobile units to desktop computers.

There is no widely deployed Flash plug-in for mobile devices. At this moment, Flash doesn't scale down to mobile devices (whether it be Safari on an iPhone or Firefox Mobile on a Maemo device). Apple is implying that Flash-oriented content creators have to author their content at least twice: once in a non-Flash format for mobile devices, and at least once in Flash for larger devices. These demoes show that there is a future in writing scalable content once.

Of course, all this could change if Adobe delivered a high-performance Flash plug-in for various mobile platforms, but they have been saying "real soon now" for 3+ years and still haven't delivered.

 

[inkswamp]

Because HTML 5 isnt ready for primetime, illustrating perfectly why Jobs is an idiot for blocking Flash, a format that actually IS a viable plugin. Actually he's just egomaniacal, the idiots are the parrots that run around forums screaming FLASH IS BAD FLASH IS BAD.

Nice rant but it's wrong. You can do sound in HTML 5 apps.

http://www.benjoffe.com/code/demos/canvascape/

Turn your speakers up. Use the arrows to walk around. Push the B button. What do you hear?

And here's the relevant javascript code that shows where the sound is triggered. (I made the important parts bold although I'm sure you can read this code since you have such strong opinions on the matter. I'd never assume you didn't know what you were talking about and were just pulling opinions out of random places.)

var audio = window.Audio && new Audio("shoot.wav");

function shoot()
{
audio && audio.play();
canvas.save();
canvas.strokeStyle = "#FFFF00";
canvas.beginPath();

canvas.moveTo(190+xOff, 140+yOff);
canvas.lineTo(250+xOff, 200+yOff);
canvas.closePath();
canvas.stroke();
canvas.restore();
setTimeout('drawCanvas()',100);
}

 

[ashrakay]

As a Flash Developer

And on behalf of other Flash designers and developers, I would like to thank Apple for being douche bags trying to prove a point, and in the process probably eliminating work for people at a time when work is scarce.

I'm toying with 2 new mottos.
"Apple. Don't blame us. Blame Hypercard."
or
"Apple. If we can't figure out a way to make it work, we'll blame somebody else."

 

[wetrix]

omg! apple reworked their website with the latest HTML5 technology. damn, that is pure sex!

Love that!

So stupid to require safari. All this HTML5 talk is bound to put off non-nerds that just want to go online. Apple products used to work out of the box. Now we have to wait a couple of years for the internet to change.

 

[Reed Rothchild]

Apple uses a browser sniffer for their HTML5 demos? LOL, that's so web 0.1. Doing such things was en-vogue 10 years ago, when Internet Explorer had his time.

Big fail from Apple, IMHO.

Unfortunately, I believe it is still very common if you are picky about your page layout looking exactly the same on every browser.

Oh the irony . That excuse was/is used by a lot of "lazy" web designers to justify continued use of Flash. One thing Flash gives you is an identical experience regardless of what browser you're using. Apple insisting on restricting you to Safari to demonstrate HTML5 features is a big fail at the moment, and is straight out of the Microsoft top 10 tips for lockdown. I hope that's not going to be a precursor of future direction and is simply due to some features not yet propagated out to other HTML5 capable browsers...