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You posted your response at 11.41 pm (my time), after I was asleep, and you expected a response right away? :p
Only because you mentioned this am I verifying that what you're saying seems a little sketchy. I posted this question to you about an hour after you posted something on MR and you were already fast asleep? LOL.
 

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Only because you mentioned this am I verifying that what you're saying seems a little sketchy. I posted this question to you about an hour after you posted something on MR and you were already fast asleep? LOL.
Couple of factors. DnD is activated on my iOS devices after 11 pm, and I find that my tapatalk notifications have been a little inconsistent in coming in of late. But it is true that from my end at least, your response came in at 11.41 pm, and I very likely would not have responded to your post at that time even if I were still awake. Generally, I turn in at around 11 pm; am on term break these few weeks, so I get to wake up (and sleep) a little later than I normally would.
 
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iPad is just square metal until Apple adds a native calculator.

Simply purchase PCalc for $10 and don't look back. Best scientific and programming RPN calculator out there with a ton of customization options. Don't like RPN, no worries, there's a "normal" option where you can fiddle with parentheses and = sign.
 
Simply purchase PCalc for $10 and don't look back. Best scientific and programming RPN calculator out there with a ton of customization options. Don't like RPN, no worries, there's a "normal" option where you can fiddle with parentheses and = sign.

It’s a good app, for sure, but it does not make me not miss my HP-48.
 
Simply purchase PCalc for $10 and don't look back. Best scientific and programming RPN calculator out there with a ton of customization options. Don't like RPN, no worries, there's a "normal" option where you can fiddle with parentheses and = sign.
I have PCalc. It's pretty amazing. Great UI.
 
Maybe its semantics but, if they're advertising the device as a laptop replacement then its not unreasonable for a lot of people cry foul because while its geared for simplistic or maybe even minimalistic use, advertising it as a laptop replacement overall is bad advertising.
I think that it may not be suitable for many people here on this tech forum, but many people I know use an iPad as a full time computer replacement. I think that, for many, an iPad is completely suitable for their daily workflow.
 
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Windows will probably go to ARM at some point. But yeah same boat as you, apple’s latest exclusion tactics and m1 elitism attitude doesn’t really give me a ton of confidence in the longevity of their support. Yesterday the latest Intel Mac with the garbage keyboards was their top product but now that the m1 came out they’ve started doing little things to make the intel people feel left out and presumably pressuring them towards a new Mac. They’ve done stuff like this with almost every product category. Meanwhile my like 10 year old laptop runs windows 10 better than it ran windows 7

It’s only going to get worse as Apple have a heap of things that will enhance daily life that relies of the neural engine which Intel macs don’t have. Not sure how you think that they should introduce features on Intel Macs using hardware that is only available on Apple Silicon? To be fair though, there’s plenty of evidence that this happens between AS generations too.
 
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Exactly. The iPad is a computer for many people. And for others, it is a device that fills a void during mobility. If it meets your need, that is all that matters.
Apple has sowed this confusion. iPad Pros have been around since 2015 yet the only distinguishing features from iPads are the hardware (screen, form factor, processor and until recently, the Apple Pencil 2). The base iPads can still do everything a Pro can do albeit slower and in a less fancy shell. MacBook Pros also distinguish themselves from lower-end Macbooks, like the Airs, by hardware (though the M1 has blurred that significantly) but it has always been clear that Pros exist to make the most of professional software. Basic things like screen mirroring, file management and resizable/movable app windows are hardly "pro software" but the iPad doesn't even possess these capabilities. I understand that the iPad is fine for the majority of users, but the iPad Pro is most certainly an over-promised and underdelivered product. We've been along for the ride of Apple's evolutionary approach to what was billed as a revolutionary device, but after 11 years the creative momentum seems to have stalled for device-selling business reasons.
 
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Apple has sowed this confusion. iPad Pros have been around since 2015 yet the only distinguishing features from iPads are the hardware

Very weird that the only difference between a device and the pro device is the hardware. I mean, the difference between the MacBook Pro and the macbook/MacBook Air has always been the hardware PLUS a sense of smug satisfaction. And the difference between the iphone pro and the iphone has always been the hardware PLUS a free trip to Disneyland.

After all, everyone knows that the MacBook Air can’t even run “professional software.” Same with the iphone, right?

/s
 
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Aside from the fact that the iPad is woefully and intentionally limited in comparison to a MacBook, the ad just isn't funny. Just like the intro to WWDC, it wasn't funny at all. What's funny is that as anyone who owns an iPad (Pro especially) knows, the device is just as much Frankenstein kludge as the PCs they are making fun of. As a mobile device its top heavy, very awkward to open when in a Magic Keyboard, the Pencil is easy to knock off and the OS makes poor use of screen real estate. A 2011 11" Macbook Air is more capable in many ways than a 2021 M1 iPad Pro.
 
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Yeah and that example is severely stretching it because anyone who does this type of work and needs to show it clients already has an iPhone or some type of smartphone that they can take pics with which they easily can transfer to a MacBook Air. Years and years before tablets were a thing people have been happily using laptops for work without issue. Suddenly they are a pain to carry around? 🙄

Besides that, your example is not only unique to whomever even does that type of work but it doesn't address my question at all. Earlier a member said people buy iPads for things they CAN'T do on a laptop. I will ignore the next person who provides me an example that can still be done on a laptop. Pretty obvious that earlier poster recognized that was an over-the-top thing to say which is why he/she hasn't bothered to reply.

I didn’t say carry laptop in bag around is pain. They do still can do that. But you can’t carry laptop and type on it while moving around site, that is pain so they used paper and pen back then. Now cos iPad exists so now can use ipad for this waking around site and type/write notes and photos. So they don’t have to re-type it back office copy from paper notes.
 
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Yeah and that example is severely stretching it because anyone who does this type of work and needs to show it clients already has an iPhone or some type of smartphone that they can take pics with which they easily can transfer to a MacBook Air. Years and years before tablets were a thing people have been happily using laptops for work without issue. Suddenly they are a pain to carry around?

What’s wrong with being able to streamline processes?

Instead of, like you suggested, taking photos with a phone and then having to import them into a laptop, why not use an iPad to take the same photos, and you can directly edit or manipulate them however you wish? I can even do it on the spot; no need to wait till I can find a spot to sit down and fiddle with two devices.

People used laptops in the past when it was the only option they had and now they are able to opt for a more convenient choice in the iPad if they so desire.

I think it’s awesome.
 
Apple has sowed this confusion. iPad Pros have been around since 2015 yet the only distinguishing features from iPads are the hardware (screen, form factor, processor and until recently, the Apple Pencil 2). The base iPads can still do everything a Pro can do albeit slower and in a less fancy shell. MacBook Pros also distinguish themselves from lower-end Macbooks, like the Airs, by hardware (though the M1 has blurred that significantly) but it has always been clear that Pros exist to make the most of professional software. Basic things like screen mirroring, file management and resizable/movable app windows are hardly "pro software" but the iPad doesn't even possess these capabilities. I understand that the iPad is fine for the majority of users, but the iPad Pro is most certainly an over-promised and underdelivered product. We've been along for the ride of Apple's evolutionary approach to what was billed as a revolutionary device, but after 11 years the creative momentum seems to have stalled for device-selling business reasons.
Apple didn't sow the confusion. Apple nerds on here and elsewhere on the internet decided to come up with what they considered to be the one and only definition of what a "pro" device is and is supposed to be able to do. The problem is, they didn't consult Apple and let them know that a new definition and purpose had been developed, while still holding Apple accountable.

The "pro" moniker is just that, a moniker. It is no different than iPad Air etc. You don't see people complaining that the iPad Air doesn't float or only use apps dedicated to topics on air. That would be foolish. And yet, that same kind of mentality is embraced with the "pro" moniker.
 
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Part of the world of endless frustrations and having to work around the limitations of the OS, instead of it working for you.
 
Aside from the fact that the iPad is woefully and intentionally limited in comparison to a MacBook, the ad just isn't funny. Just like the intro to WWDC, it wasn't funny at all. What's funny is that as anyone who owns an iPad (Pro especially) knows, the device is just as much Frankenstein kludge as the PCs they are making fun of. As a mobile device its top heavy, very awkward to open when in a Magic Keyboard, the Pencil is easy to knock off and the OS makes poor use of screen real estate. A 2011 11" Macbook Air is more capable in many ways than a 2021 M1 iPad Pro.

I love when people declare that something isn’t funny.
 
What’s wrong with being able to streamline processes?

Instead of, like you suggested, taking photos with a phone and then having to import them into a laptop, why not use an iPad to take the same photos, and you can directly edit or manipulate them however you wish? I can even do it on the spot; no need to wait till I can find a spot to sit down and fiddle with two devices.

People used laptops in the past when it was the only option they had and now they are able to opt for a more convenient choice in the iPad if they so desire.

I think it’s awesome.
Ugh I’m really understanding now that people are purposely trying to argue for no reason. You know exactly what I said and just like the previous poster you’re cherry-picking my post to satisfy your non-point. Originally a member stated that people buy iPads to do work they CAN’T do on a Mac. I replied saying “besides drawing on the screen what CAN’T one do on a Mac?” This has nothing to do with streamlining. If you don’t get it then I can’t help you.
 
I think most people know that. What some people fail to realize, is others' computing needs aren't as demanding as their own. Or as demanding for tech people who hang out on tech forums, which is not Apple's largest customer demographic.

For many, a portable tablet with basic web browsing, email, messages, note-taking, light sketching/drawing, writing, etc is ideal.

There's a reason Apple dominates the tablet market, both in number of units sold and revenue. It's about understanding not everyone is into tech and many only need a great tablet with a great/responsive display for their casual needs. And... that some people who are into tech and have multiple regular computers, sometimes just want to *consume* with a tablet.
The whole point of the ad is to suggest that people could do the same stuff they do with their complicated business/gaming setup just with an iPad by the pond. It's clearly not about the "many" with "casual needs" but is targeting the ones who (correctly) don't believe an iPad can do everything they need a computer to do.
 
Ugh I’m really understanding now that people are purposely trying to argue for no reason. You know exactly what I said and just like the previous poster you’re cherry-picking my post to satisfy your non-point. Originally a member stated that people buy iPads to do work they CAN’T do on a Mac. I replied saying “besides drawing on the screen what CAN’T one do on a Mac?” This has nothing to do with streamlining. If you don’t get it then I can’t help you.
But streamlining is a thing you can’t do on a Mac. With an iPad you can take a photo, edit it and email it or post it online or include it in a document that you email or post all with one device standing somewhere without a WiFi connection.

You also can’t do AR stuff with a Mac.
 
Ugh I’m really understanding now that people are purposely trying to argue for no reason. You know exactly what I said and just like the previous poster you’re cherry-picking my post to satisfy your non-point. Originally a member stated that people buy iPads to do work they CAN’T do on a Mac. I replied saying “besides drawing on the screen what CAN’T one do on a Mac?” This has nothing to do with streamlining. If you don’t get it then I can’t help you.

I know what you said. The thing I don’t understand is why you seem to be deliberately narrowing your argument by refusing to acknowledge any legitimate use case for the ipad which can be done on a PC, even if it’s a much more cumbersome process.

Perhaps I am at fault for making a grandiose statement like “an ipad is there for people who can’t do certain tasks on their Macs” when I should have said “can’t do certain tasks as well”. And for me, if the task in question is just more cumbersome to perform on a PC (and there are many) compared to an ipad, then I simply won’t use a PC for it, even if I could theoretically do so.

I mean, I can check my email on either my phone, tablet or laptop. That I can do so on my Mac doesn’t automatically make the email app on my iPad useless. There are situations where it’s simply more convenient to check my email on my ipad, vs switching on my Mac, because that’s the device I happen to have on me on the couch.

Blogging is an other example. I can (and have) taken photos using my iPad’s camera (when I was with my students on an overseas excursion), then blogged about our experiences using the wordpress app on my ipad 3. It’s a far better experience compared to using my phone because of the larger screen and the longer battery life, and I can do this while on the go, rather than having to wait till I am able to sit down and turn on my laptop (and then still having to hotspot) or back at my hotel room (where I am already dead tired). It’s also a lot thinner and lighter than my (then) laptop. So portability, ease of use, battery life.

My insurance agent has also switched to an ipad because it’s more portable, is better for presentations, and the stylus support makes it easier to sign documents. So it has solved a lot of the pain points he previously had when using laptops.

Which then brings me back to your earlier point about someone could use their phone to take photos and then transfer it to their laptop. Yes, I acknowledge that we really want to be pedantic, it could be done your way, but if the ipad is able to offer a more portable and intuitive solution, should that not be recognised and applauded as well?
 
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