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Apple Pulls Apple Pay Support From Websites Selling White Nationalist and Nazi Apparel [Updated]
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I think that qualifies as hate.
I thought it was Anti Fascism or is it not?
No offense, but I'm a little confused by your post. You start off stating that "there's a baking firm in the middle of a lawsuit", but don't go anywhere with it. Then you state that discrimination against one group is discrimination against all groups, which, in all fairness, doesn't make any sense. I'm also confused as to why you put "Tim" in quotes, as if that's not really his name... and why you ended with a statement about Tim's sexuality is confusing, as well.
When you're a member of a group of people stating that they're in one form or another better than another group of people because of factors beyond that person's control (skin color, origin of birth, sexuality, gender, whatever), then you're being discriminatory and/or racist, and therefore, you're in the wrong. The problem with our country's current situation is that these groups are not only racist and discriminatory... they also advocate violence. These individuals are associating themselves with the Nazi party, responsible for the deaths of 6+ MILLION European jews and tens of thousands of people of color. These individuals are also associated with the KKK, who directly and blatantly advocate violence against people of color, anyone who isn't of the Protestant faith, among other things (hatred of foreigners, anything other than CIS sexuality, hatred of interracial relationships, etc.).
So, while you may be arguing that silencing one group of people is wrong because it could lead to silencing "any" group of people, well... to use your examples... the LGBT community, Muslims, Baptists, Republicans, Democrats, Jews, and women don't promote, and advocate for, violence against others. White supremacists always have, and continue to promote violence against others. That's why, yes, it IS alright to take measures against them.
Side note... I think it's disgusting that people are comparing the Black Lives Matter movement to the KKK and confederate/nazi sympathizers. Black Lives Matter was created to raise awareness of rampant police brutality and unequal treatment by law enforcement against people of color. They don't advocate for violence against the white population. If you've been led to believe this, you've been lied to and need to educate yourself from somewhere other than InfoWars.
The Bureau of Land Management ( BLM ) is a Federal Agency.
Despite what certain bakers no doubt think people don't choose to be gay. Being gay also isn't a political movement aiming to oppress and injure others, once again despite what certain bakers no doubt think.
Being a Nazi, unlike being gay, most definitely is a choice; and someone who joins that sort of movement only ever does so for one reason - a desire to keep others they don't like as a lower social class.
So you're making false equivalences. Nowhere near as bad as Trump is doing, but false equivalences nonetheless.
Good to hear!
It's a damn shame a woman had to be killed by a nazi for this to happen. However, at least COMPANIES are doing something about the rise of nazis in America. A year ago a nazi shot and killed a left wing politician here and nothing really happened after it. No crackdown on nazis, in fact race-related hate crimes increased soon after.
So good on Apple. Good on the web hosts, business moguls, and media distributors calling out nazis. And what a poor showing from America's leader in not denouncing them.
(I often wonder what I'd do in the 1940's with nazis back then. My grandfather was captured by them but ultimately killed a few escaping and that story used to inspire all in our family in fighting against racism and fascism)
It's a damn shame a woman had to be killed by a nazi for this to happen. However, at least COMPANIES are doing something about the rise of nazis in America. A year ago a nazi shot and killed a left wing politician here and nothing really happened after it. No crackdown on nazis, in fact race-related hate crimes increased soon after.
So good on Apple. Good on the web hosts, business moguls, and media distributors calling out nazis. And what a poor showing from America's leader in not denouncing them.
(I often wonder what I'd do in the 1940's with nazis back then. My grandfather was captured by them but ultimately killed a few escaping and that story used to inspire all in our family in fighting against racism and fascism)
This is simple - businesses currently cannot discriminate on the basis of protected classes such as gender or race; incidentally, you're also lumping multiple groups together and creating a false equivalence.
The first part of this is correct and is how living in a democratic society works. I have no idea how the second part follows though, as I don't think a majority of the US upholds supremacist ideology.
But that same logic says that letting Nazi's use your platform doesn't make you a racist. I pointed out that I didn't think they were at all equivalent, but if pornographers use Apple does Apple support pornography?
I just think it's dangerous to make the statement that you won't support anything evil, because right and wrong come in every shade of grey.
And as many here have pointed out, Apple was not outraged when BLM members killed cops. And didn't take the same steps with extremists of other skin colors.
Yep. Agreeing with this move is simply mob rule. If Apple didn't like a move the pope made and banned its services from Christian retailers, or rebublican owned companies, I assume there would be groups crying out discrimination.
Nothing scarier than mob rule.
Nothing scarier than mob rule.
Where did you get BLM prioritizing one group over the other? Just so you know, I am not a BLM member or supporter. But where in their manifesto do they say one life is greater than the other?
As I understand them, BLM is about government overreach via laws that have been proven to be unfair in its application. Women are not treated the same as men. Poor are not treated the same as the rich. Minorities are not treated the same as whites. A lot of our laws need to be repealed/fixed. Especially our drug laws.
BLM came into the forefront because of law enforcement application in poor/minority communities. Not against white people.
Go look back to the civil rights era. You will see minorities holding signs that read “I am a man” meaning MY LIFE MATTERS. Not My life matters more than YOURS.
Because of context and history. Why can't people see this? It's like some folks (more religion-based than race, so an issue in many races) who complain when they feel they're being discriminated against about their right to discriminate.
There should be a word in parenthesis of Black Lives Matter; that word is "Also". It's that blacks don't feel their lives matter as much. Given the history of this country, how can anyone not see why? We can give a lot of examples of exceptions to the rule, and that's great. Women, blacks, disabled, other minorities.... there has absolutely been progress. One has to wonder whether it is because of or in spite of incidents like Charlottesville,
There is no good discrimination.
But the Nazi believed in erasing entire ethnic peoples from the planet. Nothing compares to that.
I'm sorry. Don't ever fall back to this idiom when you're talking about Nazism. There's no shade of grey here.
MOST things, there are nuances. But the very core concept of Nazism is the irradication of undesirables of society through genocide. This is the CORE TENAMENT TO NAZISM.
there is no shade of grey. THIS IS WRONG. this is inhuman, and ANYONE who thinks there is "Shades of grey" to Nazism is being a Nazi sympathizer.
This is nothing more than a group of people who want the entire world to be white. And everyone else to be dead.
If you read carefully you would see that I agreed with you, but apparently you are not able to generalize that in both situations, people were saying that they didn't want to support something that they believed to be wrong. People who think one is great and one is terrible are just hypocrites because of what they believe to be morally right.
My whole point is that it's great for people to deny other people things when they happen to be people that you don't like. Just hope that you don't end up on the other end of that someday.
You're right. That's exactly how a democracy works and it's scary as hell when the majority can vote to have your stuff or rights.
Thankfully we don't live in such a society. We actually have rights that can not be taken away just because the majority thinks it's the thing to do. It's called a republic.
Please include the source of this moronic line of thinking.
My point was.... use any other examples other than the Nazis. They are on another level of evil.
Yup, agree. Apple is a private corporation. They can pull off content providers or even cut off advertisers as they wish. And if you private citizens don't like Apple's stance on this, feel free to "do as you wish" to withdraw your support of Apple products. Simple as that.
How on earth did you get to that conclusion from what I said? Of course Nazism is pure evil. I never said anything in anyway supporting them.
Your problem is you are so enraged by the target that you aren't able to see the dangerous underlying principle about denying people access to things because you disagree with them.
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Unfortunately, this is a story about Nazis.