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Apple Pulls Apple Pay Support From Websites Selling White Nationalist and Nazi Apparel [Updated]
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I visited the Black Lives Matter website, and I don't understand what you find unacceptable.
Anyway, this article is about Apple pulling Apple Pay support from websites selling White Nationalist and Nazi apparel. So complaining about BLM is "pointing the finger somewhere else".
A payment system (i.e. our modern money) does NOT belong in the hands of an individual [company].
Think about the time when cash is gone. In those days a few people, literally, can decide who can pay/buy and who can't.
Think about the time when cash is gone. In those days a few people, literally, can decide who can pay/buy and who can't.
It's insane but not surprising how many high profile business men politicians and celebrities are saying there's only One side. It's not that they don't have the facts or knowledge it's that they're playing the role of "resistance" at every turn
No, there isn't one side. This is a rather obvious observation to me: hate exists in multiple forms and flavors. Kkk neo nazi white supremacist westboro baptist church ISIS
But also blm and Antifa -- this group mainstream media pretends to be baffled to just be hearing about, the 'alt left', yet also a group which they've refused to cover at all up until now where they can't hide frm it being brought up during debate/discussion. Forced by hand kinda thing. But even then! Defending them!
Ok i’ve about had enough. I want a damn good explanation as to why both sides cannot be held responsible for this.
If it’s not a good and intellectual answer, don’t even bother. All were doing is attacking each other on here.
If it’s not a good and intellectual answer, don’t even bother. All were doing is attacking each other on here.
It's a gray area when access should be denied, but selling a cake is not the same thing as selling Nazi apparel and accessories. One is supporting gays and the other is supporting genocide.
Side note: The photo from that video’s thumbnail of the “Antifa” guy clubbing the police officer has been debunked and linked back to a Getty Images photo from the 2009 protests in Greece.
http://www.snopes.com/antifa-member-photographed-beating-police-officer/
You know there is no way to condemn the so called "alt-left" when the alt-right uses images from their counterparts in Greece, hoping that people will not spot it
All violence should be condemned no matter the group. However, saying "both sides were at fault" is a diversion from the bigger picture, which is Nazism should NOT be tolerated in any form.
What Trump has essentially done is portray Nazis as equals to Antifa, BLM, leftists, etc. By doing so, he has emboldened white nationalists to continue practicing their beliefs. The same beliefs that led to the genocide of millions of Jews.
Yes, I agree all violence should be condemned, but you're oversimplifying it. Antifa and BLM is what? a few years old? It doesn't have the history of violence that the Nazis do. We fought in a World War against the Nazis and thousands of Americans died. The Nazis also murdered millions of Jews. A white nationalist murdered an American with his car. Antifa and BLM doesn't excuse Nazism.
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The idea is to not give them the opportunity to have the history that the Nazis did, preventative measures essentially. We have to be careful and stop these groups early on before they do any more damage.
Just so everyone knows, and to show how you failed to comprehend my post, I was not excusing Nazism. I was asking why we cannot hold both sides responsible as they should be. I’m simplifying it for a good reason too, all violence should be condemned so we can move on and fix this division problem that we have. Complexity is what got us in the mess to begin with.
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Groups should be able to protest, but not when it incites violence or encroaches on our rights and freedoms.
These groups have exceeded that threshold many of times, and police were instructed to not interfere. How screwed up is that? Oh just let them burn down cities, they’re exercising their rights!!
And you failed to comprehend my post. We can and should hold anyone committing violence responsible. The point is, Nazism was allowed to proliferate Charlottesville and a terrorist act was committed. Condemnation of Nazism should be swift because its a VERY dangerous ideology.
Burning down buildings is illegal and isn't a right.
"Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7456588.stm
”As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay”
Dr Qazi Rahman
Queen Mary, University of London
The city should have denied the permit to the Nazi protest. But they can’t, that’s a violation of their rights. Trump and staffers condemned it. Case closed.
And I was stating that they were burning down the buildings as a means of protesting. Comprehension.............
When any group, past or present, has the same ideology and wants damn near the same results as another group, then they are basically the same.
I hear what you're saying and understand why it might make you uncomfortable. But in this case I think Apple is doing the right thing, these are Nazis, we know what they represent - the end of freedom, the end of our ability to even discuss these things openly. We fought a world war to defeat them. There is no alternative morality in which they, white supremacists are correct. If we allow them the space they want they would subjugate or destroy anyone or thing that did not fit their ideal. They are the antithesis of freedom, of individuality, of reason and of democracy. We tried appeasing them before, it did not end well. A line must be drawn, ideally by the President of the United States but in his absence by everyone else. We should all take a stand, Apple should too.
Of course we cant have a thread on Nazis without some folks bringing up BLM. Its like some people are trying to deflect off of the Nazis.
People need to stop it with false equivalency.
People need to stop it with false equivalency.
Never said I supported hate groups, what I do support is freedom of speech.
Now if any of these groups break the law I am all for them being prosecuted and punished, no matter which side of the political spectrum they come from.
No.
This has nothing to do with conservatism, traditionalism, or using economics to force morality on others.
You can have all the free speech or the conservatism you like, but when someone comes to you and says " My free speech and my personal morality says that I am entitled to put you and your family in a gas chamber and kill you , or make you become my slave, beat you and rape you at will ", you can't just go : " Oh well, you are entitled to your opinion, please do kill my familiy or make us your slave and beat/rape us at will".
It is VERY easy to draw the line between even the most conservative, traditionnalist and unprogressive views, and absolutely NOT acceptable views.
There is a very clear line today that murder, pedophilia and slavery are simply not acceptable and are not just mere point of views that can be philosophically debated.
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