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Apple Pulls Some Disney and Pixar Titles From iTunes Store and iTunes in the Cloud [Updated]

putongnihongo said:
Apparently everyone that bought the Disney videos will get them back. I now solely buy from iTunes store for my media and this freaked me out, but at least this shows Apple responds to outraged customers.
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How do you know this? My interactions with iTunes Support has basically resulted in them saying, "Too bad, your loss."
 
starbird said:
I applaud your effort, but think about it. It isn't an Apple issue. It is a content provider issue. So will you still purchase physical discs? If so, you aren't "punishing" the right party.
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It is Apple's problem. Either they don't have the software in place to allow you to download an unavailable title, or they didn't negotiate the rights they needed to make the bold claims they've been making about iCloud. Or this is just a little slip-up.
 
starbird said:
I applaud your effort, but think about it. It isn't an Apple issue. It is a content provider issue. So will you still purchase physical discs? If so, you aren't "punishing" the right party.
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I disagree. It is an Apple issue. If Apple can't guarantee the reliability of their service, that's their problem. The reasons are not my problem. If my kids want to watch a Disney movie, I'm not telling them, "Sorry kids, but Disney yanks Apple around so we aren't buying Disney movies anymore."
 
aced411 said:
Anyone with kids knows the hassle of having 400 movies on shelves around the house. I was happy to box up all of our movies (after ripping them) and destroy them.
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Well that goes with about everything one owns and it's not limited to movies. Just like they can't destroy tv's, computers, phones or any other thing we have...... Gotta give you credit though, ripping over 400 Blu-ray movies that average from 25 GB to 50 GB per disc is a long process and a lot of external hard drives to store them in.

starbird said:
Yes. Take up space. Every tv has an Apple TV, we have iPads, iPhones, iPod touches, Macs.

I also have a Seagate Wireless Plus that I use as a movie/TV backup. Travels with is. This way, on long car trips (we average 2.5 trips a year that are 2,000 miles round trip each). Just widely more convenient that physical discs for our needs.
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Ok, I could get that part. Wouldn't streaming be more convenient financially though? You pay more to sacrifice picture and audio quality over the physical media which includes the same HD digital copy?

If that's the way you prefer to buy the films, then it's good. I guess that owning HDTV's, I like to get the best visual experience currently offered. The HD movies I've tried downloaded, streamed, and through Dish HD really offer a poor experience for me.
 
I'll pirate my movies if this is how they want to play. Complete and utter crap that they think they can get away with this. Even if the contract says they can well there are other "illegal" methods that they're going to push paying customers towards. Why screw over the few people who actually pay for movie crap anyways? Bunch of bone heads in Hollywood.
 
Bishope1999 said:
Well that goes with about everything one owns and it's not limited to movies. Just like they can't destroy tv's, computers, phones or any other thing we have...... Gotta give you credit though, ripping over 400 Blu-ray movies that average from 25 GB to 50 GB per disc is a long process and a lot of external hard drives to store them in.
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Yes it was a pain, but to be fair only about 80 were blu ray. The rest were DVD.
 
Plutonius said:
Be careful :). Schools actively pressure kids now to report parents if the kids don't like the parent's behavior.

You can get in trouble now for not letting your kids destroy your DVD / blu ray collection :D.
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maybe out in the sticks

NYC i always see parents dragging crying kids and ignoring their cries
 
The Tuck said:
This is why people should be afraid of purchasing content from the iTunes or Amazon digital video stores. Nothing beats a 1080p physical disk that you can keep on a shelf that the content owner can't remove from your library.
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Or, to be fair, the iTunes-purchased file downloaded and safe on your local NAS or computer hard drive. You could even burn it onto a plastic disk if you feel the need.

Also, I do believe Bluray allows for content license revocations, so don't get too smug with your Bluray disk. You should make a questionably-legal backup copy of it and store that on your NAS drive as well.
 
roland.g said:
This is why I download all iTunes purchases to my media drive and don't leave them for in the Cloud watching. While some content may be there, studios add and remove content. Once it is on your machine, it is yours to keep and can be streamed to an Apple TV or synced to an iOS device. The always available in the cloud feature was an added benefit if you wanted to access your content in other ways, but it is not really designed to be an online repository for your content as not all studios participate and keep all titles indefinitely. This is not iTunes Match.
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Except it is. And it was probably the main marketing pull of the Apple TV 2, and 3. Go look up the Apple TV page, really.
 
Bishope1999 said:
Well that goes with about everything one owns and it's not limited to movies. Just like they can't destroy tv's, computers, phones or any other thing we have...... Gotta give you credit though, ripping over 400 Blu-ray movies that average from 25 GB to 50 GB per disc is a long process and a lot of external hard drives to store them in.
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A good quality Blu-Ray>MakeMkv>HandBrake rip better than what you can buy from itunes is between 2-4gb for true 720p or 6-10gbs for true 1080p per movie, depending on length. Most movies don't need anything past 720p especially if they are older movies. I've ripped both and done extensive testing on it.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
And they cheered the removal of the optical disc drives because that was "yesterday's technology" even though the quality of picture & sound were superior to what could be purchased via iTunes (so that Apple could take it's cut)...

And they rationalized paying just as much for iMacs "thinner thin" even after the functionality of that drive was removed because an ever-thinner desktop is far more important than making that desktop as functional and utility-rich as possible...

And they attacked those who found fault with removing the drive but not lowering the price for a less functional "all-in-one," beating them down and down because whatever Apple chooses or endorses is the ONE right way for all...

And they ignored the concept of media "lifetime license" and it's limitations by deeming physical discs obsolete (even though you can fully own, sell and give away the latter but can't do any of that with the former)

And they called upon everyone to buy into the cloud- iCloud in particular- suggesting that we don't need additional storage in our iDevices when we can just stream everything we need (which was music to the ears of the wireless bandwidth toll masters who had set both time-based and hard data cap tiers)...

And, in the end, they learned that they actually owned NONE of their media and that the owners could yank it right out of the cloud (and their streaming access) at any point in time with no notice and no refund.

And though all of this was an Apple-engineered deal, they went with the usual and found the content owners- Disney in this case- entirely at fault for doing this to them... and our beloved Apple.

iTunes = convenience but not any sense of real ownership. Discs are the last of real ownership of entertainment media. Choose wisely.
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Yes but...

There was a move by the 'content providers' to disallow people to sell DVD's or Blu-rays of the movies they had purchased.

There was a move by the 'content providers' to allow groups like the MPAA and RIAA to search (illegally) the hard drives of known content purchasers to verify that there was no 'questionable content' and that the 'renter' of said content provided 'protections' against people from outside accessing said 'content'.

There was a move by the 'content providers' to allow for the 'marking' of 'media' with a unique serial number so that said media could only be played subsequently in the same device necessitating the purchase of separate 'media' for each device said 'renter' wished to access 'content'.

There was a move by 'content providers' to supply 'time bombed' media to play said 'content' for a limited amount of time after purchase.

I don't think that people realize that in this day and age (post Citizen's United) of 'cash and carry' legislation, that ANYTHING that these 'content providers' desire can be made 'legal' and binding on every one of us, no matter how stupid, how abusive, how petty, how ridiculous it seems by them just 'purchasing' the right amount of political (whores) power in Washington DC...

I tell all my friends to beware of single issue voting because it usually means that the politician can't get elected if you knew what else they believe in...

Sure that politician (subhuman slime mold) is 'pro-life'. Ahh, but he wants to make you a criminal because the 'content providers' have provided him/her with hookers, good blow, and a lot of money!
 
Battlefield 2 said:
I'll pirate my movies if this is how they want to play. Complete and utter crap that they think they can get away with this. Even if the contract says they can well there are other "illegal" methods that they're going to push paying customers towards. Why screw over the few people who actually pay for movie crap anyways? Bunch of bone heads in Hollywood.
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Calm down everyone and check the story update. It appears this was an unintentional glitch, and the movies will be restored to those who purchased them. Can we rewind all the format fanboyism now? I think it's clear there are different benefits to both digital and physical copies.
 
I have been doing everything "properly" for years, I might have used napster or limewire in the past but mostly use iTunes or netflix now. Reading this news makes me very tempted to torrent some disney...
 
calvin2006 said:
I disagree. It is an Apple issue. If Apple can't guarantee the reliability of their service, that's their problem. The reasons are not my problem. If my kids want to watch a Disney movie, I'm not telling them, "Sorry kids, but Disney yanks Apple around so we aren't buying Disney movies anymore."
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Download them then to have control. Apple does not guarantee anything in the iCloud will be there in perpetuity
 
MacRumors said:
Update: A Disney spokesperson told AppAdvice that Disney plans to work with Apple to ensure that users who purchased The Lion King and other content now removed from the App Store will be able to continue to download their purchases.
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As expected and as I've said before, Apple and Disney will make sure people can trust in the cloud. I was never worried that my movies would disappear completely from my library. I knew this would be just a temporary thing.

And the whole Disney Vault predicament shouldn't affect already purchased content.

People here just need to calm down. :)
 
aced411 said:
It's not bad coding, Amazon is also effected. VUDU does not sell movies the same way as the other big players. When you buy from VUDU they guarantee you can stream the movie for as long as the service is available.
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My guess is that Vudu can still offer these titles due to their Ultraviolet agreement with Disney.
 
starbird said:
I applaud your effort, but think about it. It isn't an Apple issue. It is a content provider issue. So will you still purchase physical discs? If so, you aren't "punishing" the right party.
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It's not about punishment, it's about value for the dollar. There's no reason to punish anyone here-- they aren't doing anything illegal and they aren't doing anything that we weren't warned about before.

I've never bought a movie I care about through an online service. I have bought a few, but only when I would have rented it otherwise but either couldn't, or knew I wouldn't finish it in 24 hours.

Physical media is the way to go until they do the same as they did for music and sell it DRM free. Even then, I buy my music on physical media because production CDs are the most reliable backup around.
 
bobr1952 said:
My guess is that Vudu can still offer these titles due to their Ultraviolet agreement with Disney.
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This is why:
"If you purchase Content, you may view it for as long as you (i) are capable of accessing the VUDU Service, and (ii) maintain an active VUDU Account."
 
Bishope1999 said:
Well that goes with about everything one owns and it's not limited to movies. Just like they can't destroy tv's, computers, phones or any other thing we have...... Gotta give you credit though, ripping over 400 Blu-ray movies that average from 25 GB to 50 GB per disc is a long process and a lot of external hard drives to store them in.

Ok, I could get that part. Wouldn't streaming be more convenient financially though? You pay more to sacrifice picture and audio quality over the physical media which includes the same HD digital copy?

If that's the way you prefer to buy the films, then it's good. I guess that owning HDTV's, I like to get the best visual experience currently offered. The HD movies I've tried downloaded, streamed, and through Dish HD really offer a poor experience for me.
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There is the whole data issue for streaming. Yes, the quality isn't the same, but for me, it's close enough. Granted, they will all look like crap come 4k, but by the time that is widespread, I'll just turn into a grumpy old man pining for the days of 720p...

For these eyes? Good enough.

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calvin2006 said:
Yes, let me store my 27 HD iTunes movies on my 32GB iPad. Or my AppleTV. Thanks for that helpful tip.
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http://m.seagate.com/external-hard-drives/portable-hard-drives/wireless/wireless-plus/
 
So in other words, people who pirate movies have far more rights and stability than paying customers.

**** DRM and **** the movie studios.
 
aced411 said:
Yes it was a pain, but to be fair only about 80 were blu ray. The rest were DVD.
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Well 80 Blu-ray isn't as bad lol.

citi said:
A good quality Blu-Ray>MakeMkv>HandBrake rip better than what you can buy from itunes is between 2-4gb for true 720p or 6-10gbs for true 1080p per movie, depending on length. Most movies don't need anything past 720p especially if they are older movies. I've ripped both and done extensive testing on it.
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I won't argue with that rip being better than what iTunes offer. You can decide on the level of compression when you rip them yourself, so you can arguably get a better version than what iTunes offer.

But movies not needing more than 720p is simply not true. Old movies, dating back to 50's and 40's were filmed at a higher resolution than what Blu-ray offers. When you reduce the resolution to 720p you are removing a lot of information from that movie and it will undoubtedly look softer and the video quality will greatly suffer. If you don't notice the difference or only have a 720p set, it's understandable, but I don't see why you would reduce the resolution. On top of that, you sacrifice the audio quality.

This is only true if the Blu-ray you are down converting was originally filmed in Standard Definition. Like "28 Days Later" for example which was filmed in standard definition.
 
fanboy7 said:
This is the biggest hurdle to allowing digital to replace hard copies. I hope apple can talk sense into these production companies. Otherwise to be honest people have to steal the movies till the companies sales go down and they start paying attention. It worked for the music industry, and now we have iTunes radio, and iTunes where we can purchase songs cheap. The same revolution may need to happen with movies.
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This has been going on for ages. If you visit the Apple TV forum on here, there is a thread running for several months listing hundreds of titles that disappeared from iTunes that paying customers can no longer download or stream in the cloud. People are only jumping on this today because it's Disney.

This is the same problem with music subscription services. Build a Spotify playlist today, come back in three months and see how many of the tracks are greyed out and listed unplayable.
 
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