Apple Pulls Some Disney and Pixar Titles From iTunes Store and iTunes in the Cloud [Updated]

[elensil]

and then they ask themselves why do people pirate...

Piracy provides users with superior User Experience. No one will force you to watch unwanted commercials (DVDs) or pull your titles from your library.

I am being half way sarcastic here

 

[iSRS]

Im sure someone has read the small print somewhere, but i think im correct in saying that when you purchase an item on itunes, it technically isn't yours, you're just "renting" it from Apple. The whole itunes/music/films is probably the biggest swindle of the technical age, making people (by making is ridiculously easy) to switch from buying a DVD or CD from a bricks and mortar store to the online "you don't own it" mode of purchasing.

Yeah, to a point, I guess we are. The service aspect of it (iCloud, redownload) for sure.

Though if you kept a copy somewhere, it wot suddenly stop working or disappear on its own.

 

[seecoolguy]

This is why people should be afraid of purchasing content from the iTunes or Amazon digital video stores. Nothing beats a 1080p physical disk that you can keep on a shelf that the content owner can't remove from your library.

I have to agree, I bought into the whole iTunes Match, and backed up my library to a local hard drive, then trashed what was on my mac so that it had some extra space. but this post just confirms that I can't really decide to delete any of my music, as it is, when I first set things up I lost some of my explicit tracks.., I'm glad I had a backup

 

[jettredmont]

Great! Since it's so cheap, I'll be looking forward to you contacting me to put the $80 in my PayPal account.

You have an iPad at a minimum value of $400 and 27 HD movies, at a minimum value of about $300. I think you have disposable income somewhere.

 

[Analog Kid]

iCloud is a massive service that is crucial to Apple's business so I think the last thing they want are customers running away scared.

As long as it is in everyone's best interest for the service to work, it will. You don't need a contract to protect you when it's in everyone's best interest.

The question is what happens when one of the stakeholders (Apple or another) decides that it is no longer in their interest. When that happens, you have no protection.

For example, a studio goes into receivership and gets bought by a liquidator. The nameless liquidator doesn't care if you like them, they're in the business of making money and every part of that studio is a moneymaker except digital services so they sell off everything else and close down the digital services division. The new owner of the studio, with a new name, later starts a new digital services division and starts all over.

Now maybe you won't care by then because you think your media collection has an expiration date. As technology changed, for example, I repurchased some of my favorites on newer tech, but I also transferred some from older tech. Some people don't view it that way and think of purchasing media as sort of a long term rental in which case it's simply a race between the technology clock and the failure of your favorite service.

 

[tarasis]

How do you do it? How do you download stuff to iTunes and then strip the DRM?

As I mentioned a few posts back, you need to find Requiem.

 

[Todd B.]

Sorry but anyone who buys something, doesn't back it up, relies on it to always be available in the cloud, and then complains when it's not deserves this...

 

[elensil]

You have an iPad at a minimum value of $400 and 27 HD movies, at a minimum value of about $300. I think you have disposable income somewhere.

And its none of your business what this fine gentleman does with his money By providing a Cloud option and negligible internal storage amount on Flash (128GB is the default config for MBA) Apple is implying that local storage is not a requirement. Yes we can store everything locally, but we would rather not.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Deception, maybe, but not theft. The contract you agreed to said this is legal behavior. Maybe you didn't read the contract, or maybe you didn't believe what you read, but that isn't their fault.

Except that plenty of jurisdictions in the world have very good consumer protection laws, like the EU, New Zealand, Australia etc. These laws supersede and invalidate any guff Apple (or any other company) might choose to put in their terms and conditions.

A contract cannot define what is legal, only mutually agreed terms which must fall within the constraints of legislation. Furthermore, a "Terms and Conditions" or EULA (as the one in the article is), has even less legal standing than a contract.

 

[elensil]

Sorry but anyone who buys something, doesn't back it up, relies on it to always be available in the cloud, and then complains when it's not deserves this...

Let me fix it for you : Sorry but anyone who buys something, backs it up locally, relies on local storage not to fail, and then complains when it does deserves this...

See what i did there?

 

[StephenCampbell]

Don't feel smug. Bluray allows for Content Revocation. At any time, the CRL for Bluray can be updated, and the instant you load such a disk into your player (or your network-connected player downloads an updated CRL from AACS) some number of previously-working disks will suddenly cease working. It rarely/never happens (I can't find any complaints about it, so I'm guessing it hasn't happened yet), and is much more difficult to effect on the part of Disney than shutting off the download spigot at the various streaming providers, but it is there.

Bluray content is licensed, not owned, just like iTunes/Amazon/etc downloads.

Uhm, I have the film physically encoded on the discs on my shelve. They CANNOT erase that. No matter what they do, there will always be a way to access the film with the help of tech savvy individuals. There is still a difference.

Edit: And, with Mac Blu-Ray Player, once you've opened a disc once while connected to the internet, it doesn't need the internet to use them anymore. So actually my entire current Blu-Ray collection is permanently unlocked. In the worst case all I'd have to do is unplug the ethernet cable from my computer whenever I want to watch one.

And the only way that would happen is if somehow the Mac Blu-Ray Player were updated to a newer version which disabled the disks, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever… and if it did happen I save the disk images of the older versions which unlocked my discs… so I'd still be able to watch them.

 

[50voltphantom]

This is why I download all iTunes purchases to my media drive...

I need to start doing this.

 

[John.]

Protected by law.

In some European countries are there laws to protect the buyer from removal of electronic purchased products. As in Norway you will still find these movies in iCloud on your apple tv and "in the cloud movies" on iPad, iPhone and iPod. The products are not longer available to buy in iTunes, but everyone that have bought it has it for the rest of there lives, and are able to download them from the cloud.

 

[Xiroteus]

Aside from some digital copies I don't buy over priced lower quality digital content. If I did I would back it up to my computer as I don't trust any online server to keep my content or data safe.

Let me fix it for you : Sorry but anyone who buys something, backs it up locally, relies on local storage not to fail, and then complains when it does deserves this...

I saw this and was thinking...That's why it's a backup. What would they complain about aside from having to buy another backup as no data would be lost?

 

[WaxedJacket]

Real lame Disney.

 

[Poisonivy326]

This is a serious question here: for all of you who store most of your files (media or otherwise) on iCloud, how do y'all think that's different from using google services in terms of privacy/data-mining concerns? You all trust Apple that much that they won't mine your iCloud to determine your buying preferences and personal info?

Because at macrumors it seems like there's a huge population that stores everything on iCloud but freaks out about having a gmail account.

 

[bigpoppamac31]

Hey People,
When you purchase the movie - DOWNLOAD IT - to your hard drive, external driver, etc. The cloud is for other devices. You're the ones who don't have their backups done correctly. You're buying the movie, AND the ability to re-download it at the owners discretion. They can change that whenever they want. You're the one who is supposed to download it, which the DO state all over the place.

Well doesn't a movie or TV show download to your HDD when you buy it?? Apple doesn't stream like others do. Even if you rent a movie from iTunes a file is downloaded but but only lasts for a certain amount of time.

 

[Xiroteus]

Because at macrumors it seems like there's a huge population that stores everything on iCloud but freaks out about having a gmail account.

There is something wrong with Gmail to some people?

 

[Captds9e]

Lion King is showing up in my purchased tab again for DL .Looks like its fixed.

 

[CylonGlitch]

Actually, it is the Blu-ray player that can be prevented from playing the movies, the data is not whipped off the Blu-ray disc. Still, the only slight need for that would have been to prevent HD quality from being output through analog cables (Component).

Don't connect your blu-ray player to the internet.. problem solved.

I have a bunch of blu-ray discs that have never been inside my BR player. I immediately putt them in the BR Reader in my computer and rip them. From there they reside in my iTunes library. When I determine I need a better quality I can rip them again. Until then, they exist as backup.

 

[spaceballl]

Seriously... this is another example of why it pays to buy a Blu Ray and rip it... I don't like that someone can pull the rug out from under me like this. I'm slowly ripping my entire library to a NAS. I can watch it on any device, stream it, etc.

 

[Mike99c]

Chargeback

Perhaps if enough users processed a chargeback through their credit card companies, this might get the attention of Apple and/or Disney. Perhaps the terms of service would override and the chargeback would be disallowed, but as these type of transactions typically involve some sort of manual intervention, it might help to make it economically more advantageous for the parties to continue to make the content available rather than pulling it and creating such grief. Especially content for Disney where the target audience is typically younger viewers who may not yet appreciate the nuances of licensing vs. ownership.

That will be my approach should the need arise and the issue not be corrected.

 

[randfee2]

So if anyone wanted to watch this on their mac that is now lacking a DVD drive, they should...?

Of course, you can always get Netflix or something, but you can't download the movies from Netflix....

they should "create an illegal" copy of what they paid for ... crazy, isn't it

 

[jettredmont]

And its none of your business what this fine gentleman does with his money By providing a Cloud option and negligible internal storage amount on Flash (128GB is the default config for MBA) Apple is implying that local storage is not a requirement. Yes we can store everything locally, but we would rather not.

Hey, I wasn't the one asking for funds to be wired to a PayPal account, albeit in jest

I don't know why you would put so much implicit trust in something Apple purportedly "implies". We used to call that wishful thinking, and it often enough bites you in the end. If you buy from a computer via iTunes, Apple definitely explicitly advises that you back up the files; I suspect it says no such thing for AppleTV-purchased content. But, I would be astounded if anywhere Apple actively advised not backing up.

I understand preferring to not back files up, just like I understand preferring not to floss. In the end, though, you're taking a risk by avoiding just a modicum of effort. Back your files up, even (and especially) those which are stored in cloud services. That applies to movies and music purchased from Apple, documents you create, pictures you take, etc. And floss. Flossing is important

 

[Captds9e]

That will be my approach should the need arise and the issue not be corrected.

It already is corrected. i always thought it would be. Every major digital store has always allowed people who purchased an item to still have access to it, even if it could not sell to new people.