The exception is content you purchase on an AppleTV 2 or 3. These only "stream" content. However, if you head over to any computer with iTunes on it after having purchased content on the AppleTV you can download a second copy to store locally. Then, your AppleTV can stream the content from your computer instead of streaming it from Apple the next time you watch it.
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Apple Pulls Some Disney and Pixar Titles From iTunes Store and iTunes in the Cloud [Updated]
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The exception is content you purchase on an AppleTV 2 or 3. These only "stream" content. However, if you head over to any computer with iTunes on it after having purchased content on the AppleTV you can download a second copy to store locally. Then, your AppleTV can stream the content from your computer instead of streaming it from Apple the next time you watch it.
That does not mean it is justified though and it could have been more transparent, e.g. by clearly stating that iTunes in the Cloud should be seen as an extra service not related to the initial download. That is not how Apple markets it, the idea is to have access to your films at any time. There could be several reasons why content may become unavailable, like court orders, legal issues (e.g. censored content) or even a shutdown of the iTunes Store itself. There is no reason why content should become unavailable purely because the copyright holder decides so. That this is part of a marketing scheme may explain why new customers cannot buy it anymore, but not why it has become unavailable for existing customers.
Arbitrary pulling of content is an unfair exercise of copyright and detrimental to consumer trust which is what is holding the development of online film stores back. It's simply shameful and Apple should prevent it.
Nope, I will buy from iTunes still. I always store my movies on an external hard drive and then that is backed up also. People who don't do this, their loss.
Things I buy from Apple I assume Apple already has a good record of and doesn't care about the iCloud "backup".
The only other things I have on my iCloud account are music tracks, which I purchase from the highest bidder and pay for iTunes Match to make available universally to all my devices (but still keep a copy locally). I don't really care too much about the privacy of my music preferences, so the fact that Apple could theoretically determine all this isn't an issue for me.
Finally, I get email via Apple. That's the main privacy concern with iCloud for me, but in the end you have to entrust your email storage to someone, and given Apple's lack of basing marketing campaigns on the contents of my email, Apple seems as good a steward of that data as anyone else.
Google, on the other hand, has a business model entirely based on capitalizing on private data. Google has enough of my private data via search; I don't care to add to its stash with my email and every other penny service Google offers. But my own choices aside, the fact that Google is actively maximizing profits based on the otherwise private data its users unknowingly share with it sets it quite far apart from Apple. If Apple started inserting ads in iCloud mail, I'd find another provider.
And these people wonder why the public simply pirates the movies.
People don't pirate movies and music because they think "Well, what if the content providers pull all the digital content from the cloud and I lose my media?" Lol.. there was no 'cloud' back in the 90s and people were still pirating.
People pirate because they can, it's easy to do so - and there is no risk of getting caught. Plus, it's free.
About this whole Disney issue, people should relax. I'm sure they'll work it out.
Oh okay. I get it. So if people download a movie or show from their Mac (or PC) then the file stays with the buyer. Those files don't get deleted if a movie or show is pulled right?
correct, apple does not send lawn gnomes into your house to delete files off of your computer while you are sleeping.
This is why I keep a VM with Requiem installed. After I buy something from iTunes I immediately download it, run it through Requiem, and either keep it on my Mac if I'm planning to watch it in the near future or archive it to an external drive for safekeeping. I keep at least two copies of all my media in a lockbox in case one of the drives fails in the future.
It's not even an issue at all really. So I can leave all my blu-ray players hooked up to wifi for those that want to stream.That scenario won't happen and it's only an issue to those people with component inputs only to view HD. So we're 100% good.
I don't think that is necessarily true. People pirate for lots of different reasons, not just because they can and want to. The success of online stores and streaming services is a good indication of that. Piracy flourished because it was ahead of its time. No unacceptable TPMs, quick downloads, immediate availability regardless of country, high-quality files, convenient storage without having to rip it first, and so on. Until we had online stores there were clear advantages, but those have caught up a lot over the years. Yet there are still limits, this is one of them.
Er, well, okay. But you won't be able to pop those into your stock Bluray player and play them if they are CRL'd.
Again, I'm comparing this to downloaded licensed content (streamed licensed content can be revoked and there is no way to stop that); if you go with the "tech savvy" out on Bluray, the same "tech savvy" out exists for cracking local FairPlay-protected content.
Refer to the AACS specs, or the ~English depiction thereof in http://www.aacsla.com/specifications/AACS_Spec_Prerecorded_Final_0.953.pdf
Specifically, Chapter 2 "Content Revocation". Every licensed AACS player respects the CRL included on every (mass-produced by a "Licensed Replicator") Bluray disk, and if a disk contains a newer version of the CRL than the most recent one it has encountered, "the Licensed Product shall replace the previously stored CRL data, if any, with the newly read CRL data". Further, upon every play of encrypted or unencrypted (!) content, the most recent CRL is used to ensure that the content being played is still properly licensed.
That is, the Mac Blu-Ray Player either does not obey the AACS license requirements (in which case it will soon find that its Host Key is revoked and any new disks will cease to play on it) or it is silently keeping track of the most up-to-date CRL entirely without needing to check in via the Internet, and checking each disk with that most-recent CRL every time it plays a disk.
Yes, in theory if you wiped all of MBRP's local storage, installed it again, and only ever played disks older than the one that contained a CRL which revoked the license for an earlier disk, all would be good. Unlike a hardware Bluray player where such a workaround is much more costly and potentially impossible, you at least have a "workaround" with a software player.
Anyway, like I said, I can't see any indication that CRL has ever been used (unlike the Device Revocation List, which quite assuredly has been used to revoke the license of players who failed to follow the AACS spec to the letter), and honestly would be very surprised if it ever were. But, the technical means is there to revoke your license, and the license is indeed an "at the pleasure of the content providers" license.
Long story short: back up your content so you have it locally. On blurays, I'd back up the content because at least in my house shiny plastic disks have a half-life of approximately six months when they are in heavy use (i.e., my "license" to play that disk is much more likely to be revoked by someone setting it down outside its case and it getting scratched to hell and back than by Disney deciding no one should be able to play Lion King ever again). I completely agree that this is a better situation than relying on streaming. Just don't assume that you "own" anything. It can be made very difficult for you to use.
correct, apple does not send lawn gnomes into your house to delete files off of your computer while you are sleeping.
Not yet anyway. We already have cameras peeping into our homes via our computers, phones, video game systems (kinect), "smart" TVs, etc. Privacy has essentially gone out the window.
How can they pull content that's been paid for? This is why I don't buy movies from iTunes or anywhere else as a download.
The formula is simple: I give you money for something you have; you give that something to me to own. If you take it back from me (especially without my knowledge), I expect you to give me my money back. Otherwise, it's called theft and there's laws for that.
What kind of world are we going to live when when companies let you buy stuff and they take it back. What is this? I give you money for nothing?
Again, I refuse to buy movies from downloaded sources for this reason alone. Ok, reason #2 is that the prices are too high.
Originally before Apple went to the whole iCloud ordeal, I could understand it as if I buy a DVD and lose it, the store won't replace it. So it was my obiligation to keep it safe and maybe burn a backup copy. So that meant, whatever I downloaded from Apple, I best have a backup copy elsewhere.
Then Apple came out with iCloud, and movies on icloud. So when I buy a movie on iTunes, I can watch it on my Apple TV by streaming it. Now if that stream is no longer available and I never did download it, then that would totally piss me off. And I see a class-action lawsuit.
If a movie is going to be pulled, either charge me a rental fee and refund the difference, OR notify me by email and on my Apple TV and provide me 30 days to download a copy to my computer!
they should "create an illegal" copy of what they paid for ... crazy, isn't it
As I said in response to another quote:
We're trying to draw inside the lines here.
And these people wonder why the public simply pirates the movies.
Exactly. I've never bought a movie or song from itunes and never will.
This is disturbing news.
I buy my music mostly from iTunes now but never movies. I rented a movie once but that was it.
How can they pull content that's been paid for? This is why I don't buy movies from iTunes or anywhere else as a download.
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You agreed to terms that this was okay. Whether you read them or not. Judge will toss any suit because of that detail
it's not like you don't know when these cameras are on and it's not as if you can't verify what is being done with the video feed.
They can't just magically hide if they are turning your cameras on and what they are doing with that data like you make it seem.
And if you're really that paranoid, nobody is forcing you to buy those items, enjoy your old CRT, SNES, and Motorola Star Tac... no cameras there.
yes, people have been pirating movies for years because they knew that in 2013 Disney would pull a handful of titles from an online store...
Your decision to pirate music/movies is far worse than Disney pulling a couple of movies from being able to be re-downloaded. You are acting like they stole movies from you, when in actuality, you are the true thief. You might as well start stealing your groceries, furniture, and cars now too right?? Oh wait, you can't cowardly hide behind your computer while stealing those items, can you???
Correct.
When you "Purchase" anything on iTunes, not just Movies rentals, you don't own anything. Apple has the rights, and so do the Movie Studios/publishers etc... To pull stuff.
It sux, i know, but that's digital for ya
and they say it's more convenient.I have about 60 puchased movies on iTunes Store.... I just hope one day they won't all be gone just because.
Just like there are anti-malware products for your computer, there are solutions to avoid creating spawn.
My household is spawn-free - and my BDs and DVDs are pristine.
Or I could put a piece of duct tape over the camera lens.
... Either way I'm pretty sure if the government wanted to they could turn any of our cameras on at will without any of us knowing. I'm sure they could do it without having that little green light come on beside the camera. They want to know any and everything about us and will do whatever is needed to get all of our info. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point we're all forced to store all our media, documents, Apps, credit card/bank info etc. on their "cloud" server. Our devices will simply have a browser that connects to the cloud server. Everything we do will be monitored. All in the name of "security" and "freedom". It already exists in some ways.This is why I refuse to buy my content and store it in the Cloud. I've lost 75% of my purchases since 2003 and when I sent an email to tech support, I received no response.
People always get this wrong. It's like going to a store and making a magic copy of any given item or even out of thin air. Is it right? Likely not, yet it can depend what it is. Like that car example, "You would not steal a car" Of course not yet people sure would download or make a magic copy of one if they could.