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This seems more like follow the leader, rather than leader of the gang.

All of Apple products are follow the leader and always have been. The iPod was not the 1st music player, iPad not the 1st tablet. The reason Apple becomes the leader of the gang is because their rendition of these products is far better in every way than what has come before. This is Apple's success story, not being 1st, but being best. ;)
 
WWDC is a developers conference. Why in the world would the big announcement be a Streaming Music Service?

No doubt this service is in the works, but please don't be naive thinking Apple will spend time at WWDC discussing it.

Apple will be releasing some new Macs, like previous years. Other than that, you can expect to hear about iOS 7 and the next version of OS X. Period.

it would be part of iOS 7 and obvs iTunes 11.x on OS X 9 so yeah ...
 
This seems more like follow the leader, rather than leader of the gang.

Kind of like how they were following the leader when they came out with an MP3 player, even though other people had beat them to it, or how they came out with a touch screen phone, even though a couple of other people had done it before them?
 
I would rather have a movie / TV service than a music service for subscription.

Yeah, there's this thing called netflix check it out.

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Late to the party with an inferior product. Good job, Apple.

The same thing could be said about you're post, although I won't say it, I'm far too nice. Actually I'm on the lookout for the moderators, they're forcing me to be nicer than I am. ;)
 
the more people have music in their lives, the better IMO, so bring it apple, i'm sure it's gonna be something i use and enjoy daily. Excited

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All of Apple products are follow the leader and always have been. The iPod was not the 1st music player, iPad not the 1st tablet. The reason Apple becomes the leader of the gang is because their rendition of these products is far better in every way than what has come before. This is Apple's success story, not being 1st, but being best. ;)

Exactly right!
 
I really couldn't care less about this service, as musicians will be the only party who doesn't benefit (just like all the other streaming services). Labels, yes. Apple, yes. Customers, yes. The artists? Nope.

The savvy artists will benefit. The artists that have their own labels or self publish etc. This is the future of music. Survival of the fittest rules, just like life in general.
 
The savvy artists will benefit. The artists that have their own labels or self publish etc. This is the future of music. Survival of the fittest rules, just like life in general.

Even self-publishing won't help you if the expectation is, as one contributor stated, that customers should be able to download any of your songs at any time for free.
 
yeah, there's this thing called netflix check it out.

The problem with Netflix is that nothing live or current is on there (other than the awesome Arrested Development and House of Cards). I would kill for the ability to subscribe to individual channels, for example. The ability to watch ESPN, CNN, CBS, USA, Showtime, etc. both live and on-demand would have me reaching for my wallet in an instant. Right now, it's either Netflix (great for watching stuff that came out months ago), Hulu plus (can't watch anything live, very little sports and news), or satellite/cable (where in order to get the channels you want, you have to subscribe to a ridiculously expensive package that includes 10 you want and 175 you couldn't care less about). The TV watching experience sucks so much right now relative to what it could be....
 
it should be quite clear by now that things have changed with the digital age and that "selling" music can no longer be their main focus. artists basically just use the "music" aspect to get people to go to their concerts, buying merchandise etc. nowadays

Why would anyone want to be an artist, in your world? Constant touring, little money, no home life, and cheapskate fans.
 
Yeah, there's this thing called netflix check it out.

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The same thing could be said about you're post, although I won't say it, I'm far too nice. Actually I'm on the lookout for the moderators, they're forcing me to be nicer than I am. ;)

by the time anything is on netflix, ive already seen it like 2 years ago ...


Why would anyone want to be an artist, in your world? Constant touring, little money, no home life, and cheapskate fans.

because there are people like me who havent bought a cd since like 2003 and with spotify etc they get at least some kind of money out of it. blame the labels, not the streaming provider. spotify barely makes any money itself. as long as there r those artists that make more money while they sleep than i will make in my entire life i wont feel bad at all and those little indie records wouldnt get my money in the first place because i wouldnt even know about them. with spotify i may randomly discover them
 
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The problem with Netflix is that nothing live or current is on there (other than the awesome Arrested Development and House of Cards). I would kill for the ability to subscribe to individual channels, for example. The ability to watch ESPN, CNN, CBS, USA, Showtime, etc. both live and on-demand would have me reaching for my wallet in an instant. Right now, it's either Netflix (great for watching stuff that came out months ago), Hulu plus (can't watch anything live, very little sports and news), or satellite/cable (where in order to get the channels you want, you have to subscribe to a ridiculously expensive package that includes 10 you want and 175 you couldn't care less about). The TV watching experience sucks so much right now relative to what it could be....

I think we are the verge of change. HBO, Showtime, etc. all have streaming services. At this time, they require you have a cable subscription, because they don't want to tick off the carriers. But that could change very quickly-- the technology is in place.
 
They'd better arrange better deals than to hurry up for WWDC.
Ah, Tim, you're screwing it up...
 
Kind of like how they were following the leader when they came out with an MP3 player, even though other people had beat them to it, or how they came out with a touch screen phone, even though a couple of other people had done it before them?

What I meant was this time they won't lead the market with a late entry ticket.
 
I mean there's Hulu

The problem with Netflix is that nothing live or current is on there (other than the awesome Arrested Development and House of Cards). I would kill for the ability to subscribe to individual channels, for example. The ability to watch ESPN, CNN, CBS, USA, Showtime, etc. both live and on-demand would have me reaching for my wallet in an instant. Right now, it's either Netflix (great for watching stuff that came out months ago), Hulu plus (can't watch anything live, very little sports and news), or satellite/cable (where in order to get the channels you want, you have to subscribe to a ridiculously expensive package that includes 10 you want and 175 you couldn't care less about). The TV watching experience sucks so much right now relative to what it could be....

Surely it's better to be able to catch the shows you like from places on Hulu as opposed to entire channels, which would be more expensive and unnecessary, no?
 
Never really understood why Apple hasn't just gone out and acquired a capable current streaming service such as Rdio (and I always kind of hoped Apple would do something with Sonos for that matter, but that's a different discussion)
 
I'm happy it's allegedly going to be more Pandora than Spotify. When I'm driving or at my desk at work, I don't want to actively pick songs. I'd rather just specify a genre or song or artist and let it go. Sure, that's exactly how Pandora works now, but with Siri integration and the rumored unlimited skips, this would beat it handily. Plus, Apple wants to sell you songs, so I bet it's song-picking mechanism will be better and include more current music.

Tons and tons of people passively listen to music while commuting and don't want to specify exact artists or songs while doing so. And with more and more Siri-car integration coming out, this is going to be huge. Why listen to the radio when you can just tell your car what type of music you'd like to hear and it'd play it for you, plus let you skip over all the songs you don't want to hear as often as you'd like?
 
I'm happy it's allegedly going to be more Pandora than Spotify. When I'm driving or at my desk at work, I don't want to actively pick songs. I'd rather just specify a genre or song or artist and let it go.
Spotify does that, too.
 
Here's what I see...

Around every quarterly report from the major cell phone service providers who are partnered with Apple, we always see the same 2 basic commentaries: 1) great year with lots of sales of iPhone and 2) subsidizing iPhone is very expensive relative to all of the other phones. In short, they love the revenues that iPhone helps deliver but hate how much they have to pay Apple in the subsidy relative to how much other smart phones cost them. Pay attention next time; it's the same story every quarter.

Then there's this growing sense of "where's the beef?" in terms of the classic view of Apple's big innovations reputation. Think about it. How often have we heard that there is very little money for Apple in the iTunes store music sales... that iTunes exists to help sell hardware?

Now, why digital radio? It's already led by some pretty strong players in Pandora & Spotify. There's still completely free* radio over the air. There's also Sirius for the subscription hounds wanting commercial free. Is radio really that important to the masses anymore- especially in devices that you can load with all of your favorite music commercial free? Some might argue about "discovery" but can't we discover new music we like with 30-second previews of any song in the iTunes store? Or from our friends playing something we like? Or from free radio? Or when we hear the tune on television, at the mall, etc?

We also note that the bulk of Apple's business is heavily dependent on iDevices, especially iPhone. Since the bulk of who actually directly pays for the iPhone is not the classic customer (us consumers) but this handful of cell service partners, it is obviously paramount to keep that very big cash cow as happy as possible.

So, what do you do when you hear the cash cow grumbling about the relative expense of iPhone vs. other smart phones they also carry? Being Apple, you don't cut the cost of each phone to be more competitive and kill the Apple margin. So what else can you do? Well, being Apple, you could turn the internal innovation machinery on to focus on how to make those partners more revenues from iPhone.

How can AT&T, Verizon, etc make more revenues? The easy way is to get the masses to burn more data because with the tier limits in place, burning into higher tiers yields more money for them.

What has been the heralded iDevice "big things" from Apple over the last few years: Siri, iMessage, Maps, iCloud, Facetime, etc. Now, here comes iRadio. What do they ALL have in common? A high dependency on internet data burn. Each doesn't work (or work very well) without a live connection to data.

iRadio seems poised to be a monster in terms of data burn. Stream all that music from "the cloud" seems to be a great recipe for getting average data burn per customer up so that we are generally paying up for the next level(s) tiers.

Pair that with the wonders of LTE- which seems to be AT&T, Verizons, etc contribution to helping us chew through more data faster than ever and these kinds of "big innovations" seem ideal for putting much more money in AT&T, Verizon, etc pockets.

I'm a huge music lover. HUGE. But radio seems like it's about 1950-1985. I occasionally turn on Pandora or Spotify but, as much as I love music, neither really gets me going. There's also all that fantastic Sirius music beaming down at me from space, but it's ready availability doesn't motivate me to shell out the monthly fee to get it either. And while I know I'm not the market for this iRadio, is there really a market that are going to gush all over digital streaming radio that has the Apple brand stamped on it?

When I look at it, I see it throwing another bone at the cell service partners much more than bringing some revolutionary resurrection of radio to a hungry market just dying for more radio. I just don't see an Apple Pandora or an Apple Spotify being that great. Is it another Ping or MobileMe? Is it half-baked like Maps or even Siri? Or is it just more of that magical innovation machine focused in the wrong place (how to make revenue-essential cell service partners happier by innovating things that will almost certainly yield more profits for them).

Some people talk about Apple losing their way by not innovating "next big things" as they have in the past. It does feel past due for a whopper-level innovation like an iPod, iPhone or iPad to me too. I see rumors like this iRadio and wonder if Apple hasn't lost it's way at all- it's just focused it's innovation machine on where the bulk of it's bread is buttered.

Apple innovation used to be focused on blowing us consumers away because we were the bulk of the revenue potentials (we paid up for Apple stuff directly). iPhone changed that. They tried to sell iPhone like they sell the rest of their wares but that didn't go that well (the full-price iPhone sold well to the most Apple faithful and then started waning with the masses without the subsidy support). The subsidy business showed Apple a way to still make all it wants to make, still get its brand in millions of consumer's hands and get a few big partners to actually pay for most of the hardware cost in the background. Great... but it also made that handful of subsidy partners much, much more important to Apple than anything like them had been before iPhone subsidies.

Prediction of the next, next big thing after iRadio: iVideo as a streaming video "innovation" in a world with hard (tight) tiers for cellular service usage is a AT&T, Verizon, etc revenue-boosting dream to end all dreams. We can burn 2GB in a single movie stream... even easier at retina-quality resolutions... even faster at LTE speeds. The iTV, Apple Television, etc rumor seems to heavily revolve around this idea of streaming tons of video from iCloud. Wouldn't it be exciting to be one of the tollmasters who completely controls the connection between millions of consumers and iCloud?

Whether right or wrong: I wish the next, next big thing out of Apple would not be something that seems innovated to help AT&T, Verizon, etc make much more money. It would be good to get back to industry disruptive innovations rather than duopoly-fueling ones. AT&T, Verizon, etc are rich enough. How about innovating something for us consumers that doesn't add even more revenues to their coffers?
 
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Here's what I see:

Around every quarterly report from the major cell phone service providers who are partnered with Apple, we always see the same 2 basic commentaries: 1) great year with lots of sales of iPhone and 2) subsidizing iPhone is very expensive relative to all of the other phones. In short, they love the revenues that iPhone helps deliver but hate how much they have to pay Apple in the subsidy relative to how much other smart phones cost them.

Then there's this growing sense of "where's the beef?" in terms of the classic view of Apple's big innovations reputation. Think about it. How often have we heard that there is very little money for Apple in the iTunes store music sales... that iTunes exists to help sell hardware?

Now, why digital radio? It's already led by some pretty strong players in Pandora & Spotify. There's still completely free* radio over the air. There's also Sirius for the subscription hounds wanting commercial free. Is radio really that important to the masses anymore- especially in devices that you can load with all of your favorite music commercial free? Some might argue about "discovery" but can't we discover new music we like with 30-second previews of any song in the iTunes store? Or from our friends playing something we like? Or from free radio? Or when we hear the tune on television, at the mall, etc?

We also note that the bulk of Apple's business is heavily dependent on iDevices, especially iPhone. Since the bulk of who actually directly pays for the iPhone is not the classic customer (us consumers) but this handful of cell service partners, it is obviously paramount to keep that very big cash cow as happy as possible.

So, what do you do when you hear the cash cow grumbling about the relative expense of iPhone vs. other smart phones they also carry? Being Apple, you don't cut the cost of each phone to be more competitive and kill the Apple margin. So what else can you do? Well, being Apple, you could turn the internal innovation machinery on to focus on how to make those partners more revenues from iPhone.

How can AT&T, Verizon, etc make more revenues? The easy way is to get the masses to burn more data because with the tier limits in place, burning into higher tiers yields more money for them.

What has been the heralded iDevice "big things" from Apple over the last few years: Siri, iMessage, Maps, iCloud, Facetime, etc. Now, here comes iRadio. What do they ALL have in common? A high dependency on internet data burn. Each doesn't work (or work very well) without a live connection to data.

iRadio seems poised to be a monster in terms of data burn. Stream all that music from "the cloud" seems to be a great recipe for getting average data burn per customer up so that we are generally paying up for the next level(s) tiers.

Pair that with the wonders of LTE- which seems to be AT&T, Verizons, etc contribution to helping us chew through more data faster than ever, and these kinds of "big innovations" seem ideal for putting much more money in AT&T, Verizon, etc pockets.

I'm a huge music lover. HUGE. But radio seems like it's about 1950-1985. I occasionally turn on Pandora or Spotify but, as much as I love music, neither really gets me going. There's also all that fantastic Sirius music beaming down at me from space, but it's ready availability doesn't motivate me to shell out the monthly fee to get it either. And while I know I'm not the market for this iRadio, is there really a market that are going to gush all over digital streaming radio that has the Apple brand stamped on it?

When I look at it, I see it throwing another bone at the cell service partners much more than bringing some revolutionary resurrection of radio to a hungry market just dying for more radio. I just don't see an Apple Pandora or an Apple Spotify being that great. Is it another Ping or MobileMe? Is it half-baked like Maps or even Siri? Or is it just more of that magical innovation machine focused in the wrong place (how to make the cell service partners happier by innovating things that will almost certainly yield more profits for them).

Some people talk about Apple losing their way by not innovating "next big things" as they have in the past. It does feel past due for a whopper-level innovation like an iPod, iPhone or iPad to me too. I see rumors like this iRadio and wonder if Apple hasn't lost it's way at all- it's just focused it's innovation machine on where the bulk of it's bread is buttered.

Prediction of the next, next big thing after iRadio: iVideo as a streaming video "innovation" in a world with hard (tight) tiers for cellular service usage is a AT&T, Verizon, etc revenue-boosting dream to end all dreams. We can burn 2GB in a single movie stream... even easier at retina-quality resolutions.

Whether right or wrong: I wish the next, next big thing out of Apple would not be something that seems innovated to help AT&T, Verizon, etc make much more money. It would be good to get back to industry disruptive innovations rather than duopoly-fueling ones.

Would you please elaborate?

Your post wasn't quite long enough.

If your post is longer than the article it's not likely it's going to be read.
But please feel free to expand on your posting.
 
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Late to the party with an inferior product. Good job, Apple.

Yeah that's what they said about iTunes Match.

There were sketchy rumours, so Amazon and Google rushed to release an unimaginative copy of what they thought Apple was about to do.

Then it turned out Apple had a much better system.
 
I was thinking about it, and basically what I want is Spotify Premium, but for free.

Sadly that will never, ever, ever,ever happen for obvious reasons.

I'd happy switch to Apple's if it was exactly the same as my Spotify Premium account with a few additions:

1) Upload my own music, and no stupid 5GB limit
2) Still be cross-platform, not an iOS/Mac lock in - which is whats going to kill 'iRadio' before it gets going
3) Not reliant on iTunes (at least in its current fugly bloated incarnation)

Fix that and we're golden. Miss a single one and Spotify is still the better option.
 
it would be part of iOS 7 and obvs iTunes 11.x on OS X 9 so yeah ...

Let's just hope it will not be a BETA like SIRI and Maps.....

One would hope that Apple with all their purchasing power can get a better agreement with those labels than all the smaller companies like Pandora or Spotify.... especially since they have been negotiating for quite some time.
 
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