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Never really understood why Apple hasn't just gone out and acquired a capable current streaming service such as Rdio (and I always kind of hoped Apple would do something with Sonos for that matter, but that's a different discussion)

Because any such service would have contracts with the record companies, and these contracts usually don't survive when the company is bought out by another company.
 
Sadly that will never, ever, ever,ever happen for obvious reasons.

Apple could make it a perk of owning one of their devices. Obviously Spotify can't do it - then they'd have no business model at all.

2) Still be cross-platform, not an iOS/Mac lock in - which is whats going to kill 'iRadio' before it gets going

Apple has made Windows Apps before. If it's a service they make money off of, I can easily see them offering it for Windows and Android users.

3) Not reliant on iTunes (at least in its current fugly bloated incarnation)

Have you actually used the new iTunes or are you basing your name calling off of the prior versions? I haven't used the new version much (because I swapped to Spotify when it was first released in the US) but I launched it just to look around... it looks to be what it should have been all along, to me... it's just way too late because Spotify has proven to be such a wonderful music player for me.
 
A page from Microsoft book

This move sounds so, Microsoft! It really reminds me how Windows started 'growing' over the past two decades by simply taking the most popular applications and incorporating a 'built in' version of it in the OS, and that's not only iRadio, but also iMessage, PhotoStream, iCloud, etc..
 
Doesn't make any sense to me. There are literally hundreds of radio stations already on iTunes which nobody listens to. All the streaming services already have radio type services. And with those you don't have to pay any extra to listen to a song or album if you hear something you like.

Either go down the subscription streaming route to compete with the likes of Spotify and Rdio or add lossless content and continue with the download to own option to compete with CDs. iRadio is neither one thing nor the other and as such will ultimately die through lack of interest just like Ping did.

Every day I struggle to use iTunes with its laggy interface, it's total inability to perform sensible searches and its multitude of bugs which mean that even the simplest of tasks like going back and forth between pages no longer works. Apple have lost the plot with iTunes and somebody (we all know who) should follow Forstall out of the door, so he can drive off into the sunset in his Ferrari.
 
Here's what I see:

Around every quarterly report from the major cell phone service providers who are partnered with Apple, we always see the same 2 basic commentaries: 1) great year with lots of sales of iPhone and 2) subsidizing iPhone is very expensive relative to all of the other phones. In short, they love the revenues that iPhone helps deliver but hate how much they have to pay Apple in the subsidy relative to how much other smart phones cost them.

Well, yeah. They want to make as much profit as possible. Unlike most Android phones, people go in to stores specifically looking for the iPhone. They have to stock it, and that means they have to pay what Apple wants.

Apple charges more than the average Android OEM, meaning the end price will be higher. But then you have competitive forces that drive that end price down by cutting margins for volume (that's carrier's margins - specifically not Apple's).

They don't like that they don't have all the control. No surprise at all. Apple doesn't need to change anything there, though. Apple markets directly to consumers even though most consumers buy the iPhone through a third-party distributor (i.e. the carrier). The carriers are forced to stock iPhones because Apple markets directly to their customers and their customers want it.

That's why the carrier-made ads you see never advertise iPhones.

Then there's this growing sense of "where's the beef?" in terms of the classic view of Apple's big innovations reputation. Think about it. How often have we heard that there is very little money for Apple in the iTunes store music sales... that iTunes exists to help sell hardware?

Now, why digital radio? It's already led by some pretty strong players in Pandora & Spotify. There's still completely free* radio over the air. There's also Sirius for the subscription hounds wanting commercial free. Is radio really that important to the masses anymore- especially in devices that you can load with all of your favorite music commercial free? Some might argue about "discovery" but can't we discover new music we like with 30-second previews of any song in the iTunes store? Or from our friends playing something we like? Or from free radio? Or when we hear the tune on television, at the mall, etc?

From Apple's perspective, a radio service would be great if:

- It was a really good radio service exclusive to iOS. That would increase iOS' appeal.
- It helped people discover music from iTunes. That would amplify any help iTunes gives to hardware purchases.
- It keeps iTunes relevant. Spotify in particular is growing rapidly; people like their business model. If they continue they could pose a threat to iTunes and any halo effect it has on Apple's other products. Also, Spotify isn't iOS exclusive; a good cross-platform music experience weakens iOS' competitive advantages.

- No, 30-second previews aren't enough
- Free radio? Oh, like... uhm... what Apple is rumoured to be doing?

We also note that the bulk of Apple's business is heavily dependent on iDevices, especially iPhone. Since the bulk of who actually directly pays for the iPhone is not the classic customer (us consumers) but this handful of cell service partners, it is obviously paramount to keep that very big cash cow as happy as possible.

So, what do you do when you hear the cash cow grumbling about the relative expense of iPhone vs. other smart phones they also carry? Being Apple, you don't cut the cost of each phone to be more competitive and kill the Apple margin. So what else can you do? Well, being Apple, you could turn the internal innovation machinery on to focus on how to make those partners more revenues from iPhone.

Apple doesn't need to do anything in particular to keep the carriers happy. The carriers want commoditised hardware unless it's exclusive to their brand. Apple wants the opposite.

The carriers business model relies on attracting and retaining subscribers. They will buy whatever handsets they need to in order to do that (that's why they'd prefer commodity handsets - so they have all the bargaining power).

Lots of carriers were opposed to Apple's terms when the iPhone launched. Competitive pressure shut them up.

How can AT&T, Verizon, etc make more revenues? The easy way is to get the masses to burn more data because with the tier limits in place, burning into higher tiers yields more money for them.

What has been the heralded iDevice "big things" from Apple over the last few years: Siri, iMessage, Maps, iCloud, Facetime, etc. Now, here comes iRadio. What do they ALL have in common? A high dependency on internet data burn. Each doesn't work (or work very well) without a live connection to data.

No, what they all have in common is that they all use the internet.

All of those are things people want. People want Maps (whether Apple's or Google's), they want iCloud, they want iMessage, they want Siri (it did sell devices even if few people use it), they want FaceTime.

What are you suggesting? That Apple should not have done any of those things and made an offline-only iPhone? That would also mean getting rid of Safari; which is probably the biggest data burner on the device (once you include images and streamed videos).

It's not just about hardware and software any more. It's about hardware, software and services.

If Apple didn't include WiFi, you may have a point about some conspiracy with the carriers. As it stands, no.

iRadio seems poised to be a monster in terms of data burn. Stream all that music from "the cloud" seems to be a great recipe for getting average data burn per customer up so that we are generally paying up for the next level(s) tiers.

Internet radio has been around for a while. It's pretty reasonable, actually.

Here's my personal recommendation: http://somafm.com. If you like ambient, chill music you'll love GrooveSalad. I used to write down the artist names, but there were too many. Now I just put on GrooveSalad.

I love internet radio.
 
Doesn't make any sense to me. There are literally hundreds of radio stations already on iTunes which nobody listens to. All the streaming services already have radio type services. And with those you don't have to pay any extra to listen to a song or album if you hear something you like.

Either go down the subscription streaming route to compete with the likes of Spotify and Rdio or add lossless content and continue with the download to own option to compete with CDs. iRadio is neither one thing nor the other and as such will ultimately die through lack of interest just like Ping did.

Every day I struggle to use iTunes with its laggy interface, it's total inability to perform sensible searches and its multitude of bugs which mean that even the simplest of tasks like going back and forth between pages no longer works. Apple have lost the plot with iTunes and somebody (we all know who) should follow Forstall out of the door, so he can drive off into the sunset in his Ferrari.

iRadio is not even an Apple product and all the rumors of what their streaming service may be is pure speculation.

Save the complaining if/when an actual service gets released.
 
All of Apple products are follow the leader and always have been. The iPod was not the 1st music player, iPad not the 1st tablet. The reason Apple becomes the leader of the gang is because their rendition of these products is far better in every way than what has come before. This is Apple's success story, not being 1st, but being best. ;)

Maps anyone?
 
The problem with Netflix is that nothing live or current is on there (other than the awesome Arrested Development and House of Cards). I would kill for the ability to subscribe to individual channels, for example. The ability to watch ESPN, CNN, CBS, USA, Showtime, etc. both live and on-demand would have me reaching for my wallet in an instant. Right now, it's either Netflix (great for watching stuff that came out months ago), Hulu plus (can't watch anything live, very little sports and news), or satellite/cable (where in order to get the channels you want, you have to subscribe to a ridiculously expensive package that includes 10 you want and 175 you couldn't care less about). The TV watching experience sucks so much right now relative to what it could be....

What you want is what everybody wants. Unfortunately, it's not what the content providers or cable providers want. They want lots of advertising money
and that would be lost with an alacarte mode of operation. Also, the price we would pay per show would be pretty steep to make up for the loss of ad revenue. I personally would pay alot more to get the shows I want with no commercials. Not sure how it will all shake out, but yes the current situation really sucks.

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Maps anyone?

Yes, or how about the infamous Cube. There will always be exceptions to every rule. Also, Maps is a work in progress and was released before it was ready. Lets see how the finished product looks. ;)
 
What I meant was this time they won't lead the market with a late entry ticket.

We haven't seen it yet, so don't be so sure. And even if it doesn't take the world by storm, that doesn't mean it won't be a great product.
 
Even self-publishing won't help you if the expectation is, as one contributor stated, that customers should be able to download any of your songs at any time for free.

Yes, the entitlement atittude of most music consumers is sad at least and borders on criminal at worst. Not sure how to bring awareness to the unaware. ;)
 
What you want is what everybody wants. Unfortunately, it's not what the content providers or cable providers want. They want lots of advertising money
and that would be lost with an alacarte mode of operation. Also, the price we would pay per show would be pretty steep to make up for the loss of ad revenue. I personally would pay alot more to get the shows I want with no commercials. Not sure how it will all shake out, but yes the current situation really sucks.

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Yes, or how about the infamous Cube. There will always be exceptions to every rule. Also, Maps is a work in progress and was released before it was ready. Lets see how the finished product looks. ;)

People are cutting the cord and cable companies will have to give in. Aereo is a great start towards TV streaming.
 
<A href="https://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/02/apple-pushing-to-complete-record-deals-for-streaming-music-service-launch-at-wwdc/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>The New York Times reports that Apple is still hoping to launch its much-rumored streaming music service at its Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) next week, pressing to complete deals with record labels that would allow the company to announce the service.


If Apple is so hot to launch the service, then they need simply to stop being little bitches and pay for it.
 
Has to be something unique about "Iradio" as just another music streaming service would be boring and a waste. Only a few days left to WWDC and hopefully we'll know
 
Why would anyone want to be an artist, in your world? Constant touring, little money, no home life, and cheapskate fans.

Yea, god forbid being a musician should have to be like having a regular job that most of society has. :rolleyes:

For centuries artists have always suffered for their art and it wasn't until the 20th century (and the technological advances in music distribution like radio and records) that they could even hope to make a generous amount of money from their talents.
 
I hope that Apple is going to do something great here. It could be just like Spotify, except it'll use your iTunes purchases with the Genius engine to generate great radio stations. Any songs that you want to download can be downloaded permanently at 256 AAC (VBR), unlike Spotify in which only streaming is available. Full price is $100 a year. It could actually generate more money for artists than the current practice in which much music would be otherwise widely pirated.

I can dream.
 
I use Pandora & Slacker. They are both good for discovering music, But I also have SIRIUS XM in my car which I listen to even more. They not only have commercial free music, but also sports, talk, special live concerts & events, plus so much other content you can't get with any other service.

I am sure Apple will do what Pandora and Slacker does ...only better...but I'd love if they would use some of that cash of theirs to buy SIRIUS. Thatd be awesome. Then Apple would have it all, music AND content. Nobody would be able to touch them. They'd OWN the car...which is the holy grail for radio.

With Pandora , Data packages on your smartphone are capped and can get used up pretty fast listening to online radio. Another thing is that coverage coast to coast can be very spotty using your smartphone. So That's another advantage of Satellite radio, it doesn't eat into your data plan, and its coverage is unparalleled while on the road.

I don't think Apple is going to buy Sirius, but I sure wish they would. :)
 
If all they release is a pandora knock off then Apple really has lost a lot of credibility as an innovator.
 
Yeah, there's this thing called netflix check it out.

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The same thing could be said about you're post, although I won't say it, I'm far too nice. Actually I'm on the lookout for the moderators, they're forcing me to be nicer than I am. ;)

Netflix has a terrible selection for their streaming service. Perhaps the person you replied to would like to have a service from Apple that has a better selection of newer movies.

Next time you should try posting something that adds to the conversation. Just my humble opinion! :rolleyes:
 
With a market cap of a lousy $20 billion, what exactly prevents AAPL from buying SNE out with cash, replacing their BOD, then spinning it off again as a separate company?
 
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Ads?

Ads don't create enough revenue per consumer for these services. And they certainly won't if Apple is taking its usual 30%...

Subscription based services without ads are where the money is, and they also offer the premium consumer experience.

An ads based service? Not so much.
 
People are cutting the cord and cable companies will have to give in. Aereo is a great start towards TV streaming.

And to compensate for lost revenues, internet will get either capped and/or prices will go up.

They aren't going to sit idle and let a revenue stream die.
 
I hope that Apple is going to do something great here. It could be just like Spotify, except it'll use your iTunes purchases with the Genius engine to generate great radio stations. Any songs that you want to download can be downloaded permanently at 256 AAC (VBR), unlike Spotify in which only streaming is available. Full price is $100 a year. It could actually generate more money for artists than the current practice in which much music would be otherwise widely pirated.

I can dream.

Spotify offers the possibility to purchase songs in some countries.

Not sure if you by download mean download for free (as long as you pay $100/year). That will generate a lot of money.... not.
 
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