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How much should they charge for it? All of Apple’s major cross-platform apps generate revenue in some way, the most prominent being Apple TV and Apple Music, both of which require a monthly subscription.
It certainly wouldn’t be a good look for Apple to charge for something every other similar app for free. You tell me how much they should charge for a chat app. Maybe bundle it with Apple One?

I don’t know the solution, dude. But the fact is: Every viable scenario is in Apple’s hands. Apple is the only reason we’re having these dumb conversations. Only Apple can end it.
 
How much should they charge for it? All of Apple’s major cross-platform apps generate revenue in some way, the most prominent being Apple TV and Apple Music, both of which require a monthly subscription.

As IMessage's counts against your measly free 5GB of storage Apple are already generating revenue from many with additional monthly storage fee's

 
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Yeah, because few additional iMessage users surely means Apple has to charge for this service...

Because Telegram, WhatsApp and Signal is not free. It's like messaging service is resource heavy or something.
Just because Telegram is free doesn't mean it's free to operate.


It's implied that Telegram costs $84 million a month to run.


Signal is being funded by the CIA as a means of undermining oppressive governments.

And WhatsApp most certainly isn't free to run. Just because the parent company, Meta, has the resources to keep it afloat indefinitely doesn't mean they like the idea of it being a perennial loss leader.
 
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Signal is being funded by the CIA as a means of undermining oppressive governments.
Uh, that's some nice conspiracy over there. No actual evidence of such bold claim unfortunately. How shocking.

I never said those services are free to run.

I said that few additional users on already running service would not drive up costs of iMessage significantly.
 
That’s a shame. I don’t have an android, but it would be nice for them to have the option. Apple should just release an iMessage app.

I suspect they have one ready to go, though.

The developers of this app were covered legally due to laws around reverse engineering for inter operability purposes, I believe.
Yeah but they were charging money for apples Product
 
It looks like the 'unauthenticated' ability to send iMessage described may have been the loophole/backdoor which permitted spams/malicious-content that have been swamping in over last few years. Great to have this loophole closed and hopefully less or no more spams/malicious iMessages.
 
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It looks like the 'authenticated' ability to send iMessage described may have been the loophole/backdoor which permitted spams/malicious-content that have been swamping in over last few years. Great to have this loophole closed and hopefully less or no more spams/malicious iMessages.
I’ve honestly never gotten a spam message via iMessage in 10 years.
 
Yeah, because few additional iMessage users surely means Apple has to charge for this service...

Because Telegram, WhatsApp and Signal is not free. It's like messaging service is resource heavy or something.
“A few” = 3.6 billion Android users.

You think those apps don’t make money? Telegram and WhatsApp both have ads. Telegram also sells subscriptions. Do you want ads in iMessage? Or an iMessage subscription? Signal relies on donors; who knows how long that will be sustainable for.

Apple makes money from you buying their hardware. That’s why iMessage is free on Apple devices. If you’re using an Android device and have no Apple hardware, what incentive would Apple have to provide a free service? That makes absolutely no sense. Paying Apple customers would be subsidizing that.
 
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I have. It ceased for awhile after spending 2-3 years of efforts to 'streamline' what gets installed on iPhones and what permissions those installed get (after Apple introduced app transparency and other finer control over app permissions) but started again in last 2 years (COVID-19) period. Much lesser/rarer than it used to but still getting 1 every now and then. Each one has been reported to our local authority which have launched a nation-wide fight against spams/scams that heavily involve malicious messages through various platforms (sms, iMessage, WhatsApp, Telegram, etc).
 
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It certainly wouldn’t be a good look for Apple to charge for something every other similar app for free. You tell me how much they should charge for a chat app. Maybe bundle it with Apple One?

I don’t know the solution, dude. But the fact is: Every viable scenario is in Apple’s hands. Apple is the only reason we’re having these dumb conversations. Only Apple can end it.
Similar free apps have ads. You want ads in iMessage? I don’t.

iMessage is a benefit of buying an Apple device. Companies are allowed to have exclusive features on their platforms as a competitive differentiator. Google has plenty of Android-exclusive features. Where is the demand for them to bring all of them to their iOS apps?

Everyone demanded Apple support RCS because it has many of the features of iMessage. Now Apple is doing so, and the goalposts are moving to “Apple needs to support iMessage itself on Android.” I’m sure if that happens, there will be some other complaint and the goalposts will move again.
 
Shame, but they needed to do this from a legal standpoint.

I just hope that they (Apple) have wisdom to merge iMessage with their future RCS rollout, rather than just have two systems interoperate. Actually improve RCS by open-sourcing iMessage. I doubt that will happen, but it would be the best path for everyone.
Apple is a business not a charity. They develop for Apple. They can choose to open source something just like any other business can. They shouldn't be forced to. If you or anyone likes something Apple makes. You should pay for it. If you don't, you don't pay for it and don't use it.

It would only be the best path for those that want this service for a non-Apple product. It would not be best for Apple to do so. RCS seems to be a happy middle ground. Hopefully they work to make it fully encrypted.
It's like buying a Play Station so you can play Spider-Man. Or an Xbox so you can play Halo.
 
Only if you use Messages in iCloud, which you don’t have to do. That’s your choice.
Yes and you can equally stay under the 5GB threshold too if you choose, however many do not so there is a mechanism for Apple to generate revenue from IMessage's already, is the point :)
 
Which you can do on countless of other cross platform apps.

Y’all are literally making a big deal out of nothing and still don’t have iMessage.

Meanwhile on iPhone….
As people have said over and over again, it is largely iOS users who choose to only use iMessage and nothing else. In the U.S.

Meanwhile on iPhone…I am typing this on my 15 Pro Max :rolleyes:. I also use a Pixel 8 Pro. Most of the people here supporting Android use both iOS and Android. I enjoy tech and both have their advantages and disadvantages.

I call a spade a spade. Beeper was using Apple’s servers which costs money, which they shouldn’t profit from. Apple has a right to be pissed. Otherwise, it was a brilliant idea that I hope works out in the end. If they have to pay Apple a fee to connect I’d be all for it and would pay for the feature on Android. As I’m sure many other people would have no problem doing.
 
“A few” = 3.6 billion Android users.
Because every Android user cares for reverse engineered iMessage, yes...

You think those apps don’t make money? Telegram and WhatsApp both have ads. Telegram also sells subscriptions. Do you want ads in iMessage? Or an iMessage subscription? Signal relies on donors; who knows how long that will be sustainable for.
Say "I did not use WhatsApp" without saying it. WhatsApp does not have any ads. Yes, I'm using it as a primary messanger, so I would know that. Not a single ad. You don't know what you're talkinig about.

Apple makes money from you buying their hardware. That’s why iMessage is free on Apple devices. If you’re using an Android device and have no Apple hardware, what incentive would Apple have to provide a free service? That makes absolutely no sense. Paying Apple customers would be subsidizing that.
That's where I agree with you. But you know what?

I don't have problem with Apple blocking this thing after it really stresses their infrastructure. But cutting it off so quickly just speaks for itself. Walled garden is just so precious for Apple. They are so afraid to lost it. So funny.
 
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