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Who could’ve seen this one coming?

I don’t mean to say I told everyone so but look at my recent post history.

I said exactly this, that there are subtle things that reverse engineering doesn’t reveal, that Apple could change without breaking it for everyone.
 
I would say both alternative apps and more apps that use the Apple messaging protocols. Ultimately, all messaging services should be fully interoperable without losing functionality or having different bubble colours so that some can discriminate against others.
I profess I am not a particularly tech-savvy user, and I am having a hard time envisioning how that would work.

For example, how might this work between say, WhatsApp and Telegram (just the two messaging apps I am familiar with). Telegram stores their messages in the cloud, so the advantage is that I can download telegram on another device and log in and all my past messages are all there. I also get a native desktop client without any of the relaying nonsense.

Conversely, WhatsApp pushes messages to the recipient's device. I guess it's better security that way? But it also means that if I restore an earlier cloud backup onto another device, I miss out on say, all the messages that took place after said backup.

They also have somewhat differing features like different animated stickers, and different editing timeframes (telegram lets you edit messages of up to 2 hours ago, WhatsApp has a cap of just 15 min). But at the end of the day, each has their pros and cons, and I get 2 sufficiently differentiated products because each is allowed to operate on their own terms and not have to worry about compatibility.

How are these two devices supposed to work interchangeably with each other, while preserving what makes each of them unique?

How is the backend even supposed to work, and who would be in charge of overseeing that exactly? Reminds me of that comic where it just means we end up with one more messaging standard in a bid to unify them all.
 
Not surprising. I just wish Apple would quash this ridiculous issue by releasing iMessage for Android.

Exactly. As I said almost verbatim in a recent post, learning how this worked just made me wonder why Apple doesn’t just do it themselves.
 
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Well, it wasn’t fraudulently in the legal sense.
Neither was jailbreaking, but they both work by exploiting flaws and loopholes in Apple's security, so of course it is in Apple's vested interest to patch security holes as they surface. Or were you expecting Apple to just close one eye and allow the service to continue running indefinitely?
 
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Does anyone remember when iChat covered many services and there wasn't Blue Bubble envy?

I get that Apple is trying to secure its platform, but it's ridiculous that everyone can't just interact.

On iChat, I'd have AIM and Yahoo! Messenger chats open and it didn't seem to hurt anything or anyone.
 
Exactly. As I said almost verbatim in a recent post, learning how this worked just made me wonder why Apple doesn’t just do it themselves.
Why should they? They are already getting RCS. So why do they need iMessage on Android. Dont fall into the BS rhetoric they are trying to feed you about Apple being this big bad trying to trap us lmfao
It would appear it is actually apple users obsessed with the color your text bubbles
It really isn't lol.
It's android users because they feel "Bullied" about not being blue.
 
If this had been a neighbor who decided to profit off you having your own cable channel and found a way to tap into your set up, and then charge other people to use a reversed engineered app, most of you would be singing a different tune. Since it is Apple, many seem to think Apple should allow it to continue. That is really messed up thinking.
You are making sense. Stop it <3

It truly is said that we live in a world that if people are taking from the little guy and profiting, that is terrible but because it is a Trillion dollar company, it is okay.

Android users wonder why they have the reputation you have. You want people to stop referring to android as poor or substandard or cheap or a knock off. I agree, it is rather elitist to think that. But when your platform is literally known for pirating apps, games, music, etc and running on hardware that can be gotten for as much as $10 you cant blame ppl.
 
I profess I am not a particularly tech-savvy user, and I am having a hard time envisioning how that would work.

For example, how might this work between say, WhatsApp and Telegram (just the two messaging apps I am familiar with). Telegram stores their messages in the cloud, so the advantage is that I can download telegram on another device and log in and all my past messages are all there. I also get a native desktop client without any of the relaying nonsense.

Conversely, WhatsApp pushes messages to the recipient's device. I guess it's better security that way? But it also means that if I restore an earlier cloud backup onto another device, I miss out on say, all the messages that took place after said backup.

They also have somewhat differing features like different animated stickers, and different editing timeframes (telegram lets you edit messages of up to 2 hours ago, WhatsApp has a cap of just 15 min). But at the end of the day, each has their pros and cons, and I get 2 sufficiently differentiated products because each is allowed to operate on their own terms and not have to worry about compatibility.

How are these two devices supposed to work interchangeably with each other, while preserving what makes each of them unique?

How is the backend even supposed to work, and who would be in charge of overseeing that exactly? Reminds me of that comic where it just means we end up with one more messaging standard in a bid to unify them all.
I like that you are interested in this topic. RCS for instance is a technology to achieve better interoperability.


For the legal aspects you can find a quick history of American Telecommunications Regulation here:

 
Tbh, iMessage is only used in US. Rest of the world uses WhatsApp, Telegram or WeChat. The much hyped blue bubble is certainly not a prestige issue atleast in India. Here people would laugh at you on your face if they find out that you are using obscure iMessage which no one uses. 😂
 
Neither was jailbreaking, but they both work by exploiting flaws and loopholes in Apple's security, so of course it is in Apple's vested interest to patch security holes as they surface. Or were you expecting Apple to just close one eye and allow the service to continue running indefinitely?
From a political and strategic perspective, it would probably have been better for Apple to turn a blind eye.
 
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Those are true scenarios just Google the issues and you’ll see all of the news about it. You really need to be living under a rock or in denial to not be aware this is going on.
LOL those are minor situations (like this) Android users try to use to have a weak argument.
If this was 2008 when the iPhone was exclusive to one carrier and it was the IT thing to have, then i can be like "you know you are right."

I did kind of feel left out when i was 13 and my friends had an iPhone and i couldn't get one. I am sure men back then who couldnt probably were seen as cheap or broke.

It's 2024. Nobody cares what phone you have lol. I work in a bar....a place where hookups happen :D These girls are not asking the dudes what phone they have.
Nobody...cares.
Ultimately, all messaging services should be fully interoperable without losing functionality or having different bubble colours so that some can discriminate against others.

Most messaging apps are cross platform. iMessage is a software designed by Apple for Apple products. Much like BBM was before Blackberry's desperate attempt. You could argue blackberry was far more aggressive about their messaging app than Apple with iMessage lol.

Nobody is discriminating against you for a color and you really need to find your self-worth outside of a color.
I hope the 16 year old who found this vulnerability got a nice payday from this, and I hope that Apple gives this kid an internship. This is the kind of brilliant mind they can pay to research vulnerabilities for them all day every day.

this I can agree with. Though he seems to be heavily in the android camp so i doubt apple is his forte :p
Their CEO said "I believe I'm on the right side of the law" and pointed to a copyright carveout for reverse engineering, and said "There's no Apple code in Beeper Mini" and said he believes "It would be too difficult for Apple to cut Beeper off without also breaking iMessages for legions of genuine Apple Devices."

that is what makes this whole situation hilarious is because he bragged like the app couldnt be touched and 3 days later...Gone :D
And much like usual, Android users follow and pay for a way to stick it to apple. But apple users are sheep. /s
 
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From a political and strategic perspective, it would probably have been better for Apple to turn a blind eye.
Political? this is not political.

the EU even realizes that iMessage is not that popular. Which goes to show if iMessage is nowhere as popular, then why do you care about having it lol.
make it make sense.
 
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Thank God now apple won't have to actually come up with any actual compelling features for iPhone 16 and can keep releasing the same phone again for years to come with the knowledge that users are safely locked into their ecosystem. What a relief for us all.
people never left android/iMessage before? that's news to me.
 
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I’m ok with shutting down an app that intentionally spoofs iMessage servers into thinking they are iPhone users. Seems to have potential to harm actual iPhone users. I suspect/hope Apple will quickly take what they’ve learned from this app and make iMessage severs more secure.
 
Why? What possible harm is it causing you to allow Android users to use iMessage? Or did you just say that because anything non Apple = bad.
step it through in your head. this will create tons of confusion when apple creates a new feature and this unofficial solution breaks.

it really does become annoying on how people can see all positives and zero negatives on situations like this.
 
Why should they? They are already getting RCS. So why do they need iMessage on Android. Dont fall into the BS rhetoric they are trying to feed you about Apple being this big bad trying to trap us lmfao

It really isn't lol.
It's android users because they feel "Bullied" about not being blue.

I dont feel bullied I just want to sync my iMessages to an android phone lol.

You thinking it's just about social status and not ordinary utility is the real teller
 
And I'm glad they did that.
This is a distasteful comment.

Does everyone realize this is an American issue? Most countries are using various chats. Only this guy and Americans think they’re elitist by having blue bubbles. Let me say that again- they THINK they’re better but they’re not.
 
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As an iPhone user, I really don’t have a horse in this race. However, I am very surprised Apple isn’t capitalizing on the business opportunity here. They continue to soak Apple One users with increases, so why not make I message cross platform and charge users $50 a year for it. Millions would pay, and this just drops straight to the bottom line.

It makes zero sense to me. As an Apple family, we aren’t moving to Android because iMessage is on it.

Sure, some might, but I’d bet they pay the extra $50 a year. I’d almost bet folks would pay $100 a year for it.

Seems crazy not to take advantage of this.
 
This is a distasteful comment.
There’s nothing distasteful about appreciating a company cutting off fraudulent access to their systems.

Does everyone realize this is an American issue? Most countries are using various chats. Only this guy and Americans think they’re elitist by having blue bubbles. Let me say that again- they THINK they’re better but they’re not.
Stereotypes are dumb.
 
So.. my friend set this up for himself and now that it's deleted, my phone sends messages via SMS just fine, but trying to use iMessage on the Mac keeps defaulting to iMessage rather than SMS. anyone know how to reset this on my side?
 
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