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you should read signatures.

To be fair, showing signatures is an option in the forum software. Not everyone has it enabled.

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MBA schools in the U.S. and elsewhere have for many years taught business leaders that their job is to maximize shareholder value. Shifting manufacturing overseas to countries with lower wages is one result of that school of thought.

Interestingly, just over two years ago, there were indications that this philosophy was beginning to change. See for example the article linked below, and the associated statement from Business Roundtable.

Apple has been criticized for years for using suppliers who have terrible working conditions and worker pay, in China and now India, and this news of Apple suspending this facility in China from producing iPhones is a small step in the right direction.

But is it only a small step and there is a long ways to go.



 
Great, but you seemed to forget that might be the case when you replied to him. Otherwise, say, "I guess you have signatures turned off, because there's a slew of Apple products in my sig" etc.

why would I do that? he is using a signature. he expects people to read his.
 
I don't feel the need to upgrade yearly like Kardashian wannabes. ?

I went from an 8+ to a 12 and probably won't upgrade again until the 16. Its just a phone.
I still have an iPhone 6s, myself. The only reason I even have that one is because it wasn’t $2000.

My $1200 iPad Pro and was an extravagance, but it did offer me things I didn’t have with my phone or laptop (some unique art and music creation tools where I made music I wasn’t making previously). It’s really a struggle to decide to spend that kind of money ANY time, let alone once every few years, since I have so little money.

Computing is expensive enough already. The solution to expensive products isn’t to screw workers more. It’s to stop corporate America’s executive class from taking insane amounts of the profit for themselves and stopping the Wall Street gambling den from demanding pathological perpetual growth (something we call cancer elsewhere).
 
why would I do that? he is using a signature. he expects people to read his.

Just because he has a signature entered in his profile doesn't mean he has the option checked to see other people's signatures. Just saying. Of course, you could also be right that he overlooked yours. Who knows. I'm just saying there's a possibility he doesn't see them due to his settings. Let it go now, ok? Bye.
 
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Apple products need to be made in the USA.

Exploiting foreign workers should not be in their playbook even if they use intermediary companies like gloves.

I don’t care where or how it’s done as long we can buy cheap here. Made in the US sounds good but is bad idea
 


Apple has put Foxconn's factory near Chennai in southern India on probation following worker protests and the discovery of substandard living conditions (via Bloomberg).

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The factory in Sriperumbudur, which assembled iPhone 12 models prior to operations being suspended, has been shut down until "necessary improvements" are made. An Apple spokesperson told Bloomberg:Earlier this month, Foxconn shut the factory after protests triggered by 150 employees being admitted to hospital with food poisoning. Apple now says that the Sriperumbudur facility will remain on probation until it is satisfied that its standards have been met sufficiently.

Foxconn apologized in a statement, commenting that it was "very sorry for the issue our employees experienced" and is "taking immediate steps to enhance the facilities and services we provide." The manufacturer plans to restructure its management team in India and will continue to pay all employees during the downtime.

A statement from the local government added that the improvements will include expansion of living areas, upgraded bathing facilities, and available drinking water. Foxconn did not specify when it plans to reopen the plant.

The Sriperumbudur probation is Apple's second suspension in India in a year. In December 2020, workers at a Wistron factory in India ransacked the facility over unpaid wages, leading Apple to put the factory on probation. Following improvements, the facility resumed production in March 2021.

Wistron's suspension delayed Apple's manufacturing push into India, where it pledged to invest $1 billion dollars while the company seeks to diversify its global supply chains. Apple was planning to begin production of the iPhone 13 at the Sriperumbudur factory in February, but the status of these plans is now unclear.

Article Link: Apple Puts Foxconn Factory in India on Probation Following Protests
The sad issue here is contract manufacturing.

All modern companies have gone to this and it is just one more level of separation between ’the company’ (Apple) and the workers.

Apple has certain standards they require in production quality and quality of facilities, the contract manufacturers agree to meet these standards and are PAID to do so, but most contractors cut corners anywhere they can without regard to crew comfort or safety. When they get caught it is apologies everywhere but the worked in these conditions for months or years reaping large savings and profits, then get a slap on the hand that isn’t stuffing cash in their back pocket.

I appreciate Apple giving a bit of a face to this constant issue, but they really aren’t taking control of it…

I worked in agriculture for years and heard of many incidents of this same thing happening while the farming corporations could brag, ‘all of our workers make more than minimum wage’…
 
So you are saying one billion apple customers are happy there are many, many people who have been given jobs who wouldn’t have had any work?
I'm following your logic and asserting that one billion apple customers are happy there are many, many people who have been paid 5% of what they deserve for decades, while the investors pocketed the difference, and at the same time hollowed-out America.
 
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The caste system is slavery and some wellness people and libertarian people want to bring that to the rest of the world with deregulation, fossil fuel causing climate disasters, web3 and pyramid schemes.

Don't let it happen. Resist and protest.
 
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So who is giving you all this information ? What is your source America biased publications ?
Yes, eggs proceeded chickens. The ancestors of chickens (early birds) had eggs. The ancestors of those ancestors (theropod dinosaurs) had eggs. The reptilian ancestors of those dinosaurs had eggs. Their amphibian ancestors had eggs. The fish that gave rise to the amphibians had eggs. Even the chordate predecessors of fish had eggs.

Nothing due to “America bias” ?
 
I'm following your logic and asserting that one billion apple customers are happy there are many, many people who have been paid 5% of what they deserve for decades, while the investors pocketed the difference, and at the same time hollowed-out America.
What do these workers “deserve”? What is the value of their labor relative to the local job market? What would these people do and what would they earn without these foreign investments and how much better would their life be?
 
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And who exactly is going to assemble them in the USA? We have to call in the national guard to drive our school buses and help in hospitals because of a worker shortage (and these are good paying jobs). You can’t pay the assemblers minimum wage e.g. $15/hour since it’s much easier at that salary to be a gas station clerk or to drive for Uber eats at an average of $18/hour. Let’s take an average production line worker at a non union Honda plant in Ohio for example, they would make about $21/hour an assuming a 40hour week and 2 weeks of vacation per year that’s about $42k annual salary. Now Apple would have to pay more since it’s in the crosshairs and tiny component assembly is more tiresome so let’s say about $45-50k annual. In the US, benefits add about 30% on top of salary so the FTE cost per assembler is about $58-70k annually. And that’s if you can find 20,000 people who want to sit there for 8 hours a day putting things together. So even if everyone in the world were willing to pay $1200 for a base iPhone 13 you’d be hard pressed staffing your plant.

How dare you introduce common sense to the discussion?
 
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