Apple Refocusing Final Cut Pro? Jobs says "Next Release Will Be Awesome"

[kernkraft]

Yup, this is where the industry is going. Horrible DSLR video with wobbles and aliasing galore.

p.s. There's a big difference between dumbing down, and user friendly. Have a try at Avid and it's toolset, then try FCP and see how they differ.

Don't be so harsh! How about the fart, the flame coming out the logo guy's backside and how about the Vauxhalls in that village? Oh, I forgot... how about the scootering mods dressing up their little two-wheelers like they are some Indian trucks?

There is some good material there - very entertaining!

 

[Roboin]

Yup, this is where the industry is going. Horrible DSLR video with wobbles and aliasing galore.

p.s. There's a big difference between dumbing down, and user friendly. Have a try at Avid and it's toolset, then try FCP and see how they differ.

I think the problem with that direction of videos is that it has the new 'good enough' standard all over it. Everyone learns how to make a funny youtube video, only problem is making videos for actual broadcast brings in a lot of technical things you need to learn even before thinking about cutting. It's not weird that a lot of editors started out as VT operators.

 

[BruceEBonus]

Yup, this is where the industry is going. Horrible DSLR video with wobbles and aliasing galore.
.

What the hell is DSLR video? Pretentious? Moi?. My point entirely. ALL of the Harley 'bike mounted/based stuff was oddly videod with Flip Ultras or Creative Vados .. I found the AX2000 just wouldnt fit on the handlebars. Funny that.

Lets keep video editiing, video creativity and individualism for a select few who can afford it or go to film school .... and for the rest of us .. we can eat cake.

No matter what the forum, what the subject you will always get the self opinionated who decide what's best for us.

Put it this way - I used to use Pinnacle Studio with its simplistic interface when I had a PC. Migrated to the Mac. Early 2008. Found iMovie a bit too much of a leap ... decided to forego the video editing intrest .. then .. iMovie08 came out .. very similar if admittedly limited in function.

iMovie added features that even FCE didnt have .. great. And it just...works. No years of study . No farting around ... it does the job and gets you more and more into the hobby. Nice. If you have creative urges best you put them into action than be put off by a non-intuitive program like FCE.

Then Steve Jobs says theyre bringing out a more usable FCE .. and lo and behold .. even tho' its meant to be 'awesome' and easier to use .. the ********ters and cliquey-twits all go up in arms that we, the unwashed public will get into their exclusive hobby and embarrass them in front of their parents or something,

Moral: FCE is dead. Long live FCE! Or suchlike.

 

[shervieux]

Don't know what to think....

When I switched from Windows in 2008, I was using Adobe's Premiere Elements. That was an awesome app with easy to learn features, and fully rich for most people. I made a lot of good worship videos with it, created a video submission for my wife's co-worker for The Biggest Loser, and made some ameture music videos for a Christian Artist. I kept it running on a virtual machine for almost 2 years. I never liked iMovie in ilife 08, it is to dumbed down and your really don't have the nice features you can put into your video. So when Apple said we could get the iMovie 06 HD for free still, I downloaded it and bought some plug-in's for titles, transitions, and effects. It was close to what Premiere Elements was, but still a little lacking.

Then Adobe dumbed down premiere elements (to be what iMovie in iLife 08 is) and Microsoft started releasing updates to XP to cripple software and force people to move to Windows 7. my Premiere Elements would no longer work.

I tried using Final Cut express (I bought it in 2008). I find it very hard to work with, very time consuming, so I still use iMovie 06 HD.

Can't we have a middle version (but not touch the pro version) that is more than iMovie is today, but less complicated. Apple please retake a look at iMovie 06 HD, and Premiere Elements 3.

Adobe Premiere elements 3:

iMovie 6 HD:

iMovie today:

Adobe Premiere Elements now:

Can't we just have a cross of what iMovie HD 6 and Premeire Elements 3 was? and go back to the older code base, so that the Slick Filmaker plugins I bought work with the new version?. I just bought that a year ago, opened the package and found out it did not work with iMovie. I had to go to the website to read it would not work with ilife 08 due to Apple's re-write. it only worked with iMovie 6 HD. Sad part was I paid $79 for the plugins, opened the package. I had bought it from an Apple store that was still selling it in the fall of 2008 and the employee told me it would work with imovie due to Apples backward compatibility - WRONG

I am still using iMovie 6 HD today. I do not have the time to be messing with the problems and hard to use Final Cut Express. Also, I cannot find any good books out there to teach me it - and the videos I find, just barely cover the basics. I was able to learn Adobe Premeire Elements 3 in about a week and ran circles around the software, creating some very cool videos.

That is the only Adobe program and version I will applaud. I do not have the money for the CS releases.

I looked at Sony Vegas, Avid, and a few others and did not find them to be that easy and feature rich at the time.

The video below was made using iMovie 6 HD

http://www.youtube.com/shervieux#p/a/u/0/GnZtwlQ3HMI

 

[Roboin]

I looked at Sony Vegas, Avid, and a few others and did not find them to be that easy and feature rich at the time.

Have you looked at Pinnacle?

 

[BruceEBonus]

Don't be so harsh! How about the fart, the flame coming out the logo guy's backside and how about the Vauxhalls in that village? Oh, I forgot... how about the scootering mods dressing up their little two-wheelers like they are some Indian trucks?

There is some good material there - very entertaining!

Cheers mate.. someone with a bit of the ol' common there. Yes my stuff is not for broadcast on telly .. its for watching on yer computer or DVD at home... oddly not all of us intend using it on the next BBC travelogue.

BUT considering its only a hobby ... and I charge nowt for my 'services' ... when a company like this use it on their website .. you realise you must be doing something right ...

http://robinhoodharleydavidson.com/

so for me - it was this ... and iMovie09 or nothing ... so here's the deal, I'll continue to be a VEI (Video Editing Ignoramus) and further carry on being ignorant with iMovie10 / FCE 10 .... Cheers again!

 

[mBox]

And yours will stop working when a new version is out because.....

Its important to know where the future is at. We have to budget for next fiscal every year. If my boss hears this, he will cut FCS out of the list and even question whether we need to keep upgrading the MacPro's (hahahehaheha hysterical laugh due to long release periods ).

So yes it is important to some of us why news such as this irks us.

 

[aiqw9182]

When I switched from Windows in 2008, I was using Adobe's Premiere Elements. That was an awesome app with easy to learn features, and fully rich for most people. I made a lot of good worship videos with it, created a video submission for my wife's co-worker for The Biggest Loser, and made some ameture music videos for a Christian Artist. I kept it running on a virtual machine for almost 2 years. I never liked iMovie in ilife 08, it is to dumbed down and your really don't have the nice features you can put into your video. So when Apple said we could get the iMovie 06 HD for free still, I downloaded it and bought some plug-in's for titles, transitions, and effects. It was close to what Premiere Elements was, but still a little lacking.

Then Adobe dumbed down premiere elements (to be what iMovie in iLife 08 is) and Microsoft started releasing updates to XP to cripple software and force people to move to Windows 7. my Premiere Elements would no longer work.

I tried using Final Cut express (I bought it in 2008). I find it very hard to work with, very time consuming, so I still use iMovie 06 HD.

Can't we have a middle version (but not touch the pro version) that is more than iMovie is today, but less complicated. Apple please retake a look at iMovie 06 HD, and Premiere Elements 3.

Adobe Premiere elements 3:


iMovie 6 HD:


iMovie today:

Adobe Premiere Elements now:


Can't we just have a cross of what iMovie HD 6 and Premeire Elements 3 was? and go back to the older code base, so that the Slick Filmaker plugins I bought work with the new version?. I just bought that a year ago, opened the package and found out it did not work with iMovie. I had to go to the website to read it would not work with ilife 08 due to Apple's re-write. it only worked with iMovie 6 HD. Sad part was I paid $79 for the plugins, opened the package. I had bought it from an Apple store that was still selling it in the fall of 2008 and the employee told me it would work with imovie due to Apples backward compatibility - WRONG

I am still using iMovie 6 HD today. I do not have the time to be messing with the problems and hard to use Final Cut Express. Also, I cannot find any good books out there to teach me it - and the videos I find, just barely cover the basics. I was able to learn Adobe Premeire Elements 3 in about a week and ran circles around the software, creating some very cool videos.

That is the only Adobe program and version I will applaud. I do not have the money for the CS releases.

I looked at Sony Vegas, Avid, and a few others and did not find them to be that easy and feature rich at the time.

iMovie 09 is VASTLY superior to 08. I used 06 until 09 came out. Then I removed 06 and never looked back.

Video stabilization is a killer feature in 09.
http://www.apple.com/ilife/imovie/whats-new.html

 

[Amiga2000HD]

This guy should embrace his destiny, which is to write dumbed-down but ultimately confusing Windows "Wizards".

First on Windows we saw "Hi. I am the MS Word Wizard. I noticed you are typing a letter ...".

What is this guy go to do as an encore to screwing up iMovie ...... "Hi. I am the FCPro Wizard. I noticed you are making a movie. Can I get in your way?"

Oh no. No! We don't need that, it's bad enough with having a producer in the room as it is...

 

[shervieux]

iMovie 09 is VASTLY superior to 08. I used 06 until 09 came out. Then I removed 06 and never looked back.

Video stabilization is a killer feature in 09.
http://www.apple.com/ilife/imovie/whats-new.html

Have you looked at Pinnacle?

I have iLife 09 now, and use iMovie for quick things - still prefer some of the better features and plug-ins I have for iMovie 6 HD.

The last time I looked at Pinnacle was in 1998 or 1999. I was not too happy with it. Importing from a video camera with a TV card on my HP was a pain. Half the time I would only get snow. Also burning directly to DVD failed everytime, and I would get occasional crashes when burning to mpg. After that, I never looked back to them.


The video below was made using iMovie 6 HD

http://www.youtube.com/shervieux#p/a/u/0/GnZtwlQ3HMI

 

[aiqw9182]

I have iLife 09 now, and use iMovie for quick things - still prefer some of the better features and plug-ins I have for iMovie 6 HD.

The last time I looked at Pinnacle was in 1998 or 1999. I was not too happy with it. Importing from a video camera with a TV card on my HP was a pain. Half the time I would only get snow. Also burning directly to DVD failed everytime, and I would get occassional crashes when burning to mpg. After that, I never looked back to them.

I've tried some of those GeeThree plug-ins you mentioned using, they were pretty bad and half of the effects hardly worked. But do as you please, I couldn't wait until the day I stopped having to use iMovie 06 for its primitive way of re-encoding every file you shove into it.

The video below was made using iMovie 6 HD

http://www.youtube.com/shervieux#p/a/u/0/GnZtwlQ3HMI

Is there something special about this? Looks like a bunch of transition effects that could be done in something as bad as Windows Movie Maker.

 

[patent10021]

FinalNut Pro

Dumbed down for the pron directors.

 

[Digital Skunk]

There is some good material there - very entertaining!

There are I thought I mentioned that, but in my haste I deleted my post, I'll have to go back and check

I think the problem with that direction of videos is that it has the new 'good enough' standard all over it. Everyone learns how to make a funny youtube video, only problem is making videos for actual broadcast brings in a lot of technical things you need to learn even before thinking about cutting. It's not weird that a lot of editors started out as VT operators.

This is where the PRO side comes in. I find the YouTube stuff funny, and criticize many PROs in the field for not reaching certain audiences, like my former newspaper who still can't get their hits above 300 people.

Moral: FCE is dead. Long live FCE! Or suchlike.

Don't sweat it, I didn't mean it that way. The first one looked wobbly, so I just assumed it was DSLR, but upon looking at the rest, it was quite good.

 

[z4n3]

Apple is keeping disappointing me.

In early years they have been a pretty closed company proprietary interfaces like ADC, jacks that only work with apple speakers.... Later they they become a more open company and now they keep screw the old loyal consumers. What a well Steve Jobs have in is head? They criticize Microsoft but they are becoming like they.

No bluray, no i5 on macbooks, pro apps leaved beyond. they new locked in iPad, I don't understand....

Have to agree with you, Apple is slowly losing it´s roots and becoming another M$...

Everyday I read something about some AMAZING you will love it thing!!! that Apple is working on!! which later turns out to be complete and utter junk i.e. Apple TV because without FLASH ATV it´s crap lets face it!, and outside the US! it is only a glorified and VERY EXPENSIVE hard-drive.

I am slowly turning away from Apple products. I own and have owed almost EVERY Apple product for more time than I care to remember! I was PISSED!!! when they shot Shake, BUT! as it still works on recent equipment although a bit old in the tooth still able to use it and love it..

If they dum down FCS or Kill it, my first move will be to sell everything I own Apple and go to Autodesk on Linux! although I may keep a MacPro for Smoke

How many people said they would NEVER kill Shake now look where that is....

 

[yoak]

I´m not sure what to think any more.
It hurt me bad that they took away the express card slot on the 15" as I use it a lot and it´s soo fast to offload footage compared to USB. (I can´t use FW with my camera)

I´m a DoP/cameraman that do some editing as well, and what I want is FC to survive as I don´t have the time or money to invest in Avid.

I can´t see Apple abandone us just yet, I just hope they sort out the integration between all the apps in the package AND make it possible to use my MP 2.8 8core to it´s max. The poor machine has been waiting for that for nearly 3 years now

 

[Pat the Rat]

Well, I for one hated the new version of iMovie and I keep a copy of iMovie HD version 6.03 when I need to do some quick video editing. The old version is much more intuitive. I hate to think of what would happen if the same person redesigned FCP.

 

[dAlen]

Apple appears to be stepping away from pro and thus new entries come in with higher premiums.

- Apple bought Shake and ditched it, so now people use Nuke
[Thanks Apple, mighty swell of you]

- Apple did not buy Maya when Alias sold it, but an independent [private] company/person who then turned around and sold it to Autodesk.
[yeah autodesk for being clever in avoiding anti-trust suits.]
... they own 3Dmax, now maya, and recently Softimage - no competition there, and no consolidation of products either. geesh.

- Now comes Autodesk with Smoke for the mac for around 15k software only solution, about 25k if you get all you need to get it up and running [give or take... more likely give]

So if you look at the bigger picture with all the different moves Apple has/hasnt made, it appears they are not interested in being a company who caters to producers of content, but slowly migrating to a company whose sole purpose is to cater to the consumer. [But someone has to feed the consumers content, I would have thought Apple would have stayed on both sides of the fence... but thats fine, we have Autodesk now... in truth Adobe isnt that bad, it can play with Red footage and is much more affordable.]

It will be interesting to see what happens, but for now its not looking how many of us 'pros', who bucked the avid system years back to introduce Final Cut, think its going.

[Former Media 100, Avid, & Final Cut [certified] editor... and of course first video program used premiere]

Peace

Dalen

 

[aiqw9182]

Well, I for one hated the new version of iMovie and I keep a copy of iMovie HD version 6.03 when I need to do some quick video editing. The old version is much more intuitive. I hate to think of what would happen if the same person redesigned FCP.

Maybe if "intuitive" constitutes for waiting. By the time you finish importing a file into iMovie HD I could have made 3 videos in iMovie 09.

The only thing iMovie 09 has to encode is the thumbnails. In iMovie 06, first it has to re-encode it to the project type, then whenever you want to add a transition it has to encode that, then when you want to slow or speed up a video god knows how long you'll have to wait for that in iMovie 06.

The thing is a nightmare and and the project file takes gigabytes upon gigabytes of space when you're done.

 

[z4n3]

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=9929572#post9929572

Am I loosing it? or are most people talking about iMovie when the title reads FCP?

I think it just goes to show that people & only really care about consumer products...

 

[shervieux]

Is there something special about this? Looks like a bunch of transition effects that could be done in something as bad as Windows Movie Maker.

I would share some of my better ones, but due to copyright I can't. Some are people's wedding videos, and for other music artists. I had a bunch of real cool ones on my youtube channel that were created with premiere elements 3 - which gave a lot more editing capability than iMovie 6 HD, but not as difficult to use as FCE. Unfortunately I had to take down my cool videos. Warner Music group (WMG) owns 100's of record labels. they bought some of the smaller record labels and yanked them out of CCLI (Contemporary Christian Licensing) and screamed copyright infringement for still using the older music under the original license.

WMG is buying up all sorts of record labels and yanking them out of CCLI. When a record label breaks ties with CCLI, technically a church or christian organization is supposed to destroy all copies, all work they did with the song, stop using it, and recall anything they put out. I had many discussions with CCLI, and even some of the Christian Artists I come to know personally are upset as they are now losing royalties from CCLI thanks to a record company (who they were not contracted with) buying a record company (who the artist was licensed with).

That music industry is making it hard for the little guy. and CCLI licenses for churches or para-church ministries are not cheap.

 

[aiqw9182]

I would share some of my better ones, but due to copyright I can't. Some are people's wedding videos, and for other music artists. I had a bunch of real cool ones on my youtube channel that were created with premiere elements 3 - which gave a lot more editing capability than iMovie 6 HD, but not as difficult to use as FCE. Unfortunately I had to take down my cool videos. Warner Music group (WMG) owns 100's of record labels. they bought some of the smaller record labels and yanked them out of CCLI (Contemporary Christian Licensing) and screamed copyright infringement for still using the older music under the original license.

WMG is buying up all sorts of record labels and yanking them out of CCLI. When a record label breaks ties with CCLI, technically a church or christian organization is supposed to destroy all copies, all work they did with the song, stop using it, and recall anything they put out. I had many discussions with CCLI, and even some of the Christian Artists I come to know personally are upset as they are now losing royalties from CCLI thanks to a record company (who they were not contracted with) buying a record company (who the artist was licensed with).

That music industry is making it hard for the little guy. and CCLI licenses for churches or para-church ministries are not cheap.

I just looked at some of your other videos and again, they just looked like a bunch of clips with a transition to a picture. I highly doubt these other videos you are claiming to be impressive will fair much better. You could have done all of those videos in Windows Movie Maker.

But blow me away, upload one of them without music and let me see what is so great about the software you are using.

 

[KaneBaker]

Good thing I been brushing up on my Premiere. IT was just in case final cut would catch up to it with the next release. I guess it won't.

 

[seedster2]

rumors like these are part of the reason i dont bother investing(wasting) my time with Apple Pro software. I will continue to buy their professional towers but the rest of their stuff is too watered down.

It is increasingly clear they are cashing in and appealing to the general consumer and "i" crowd with less emphasis on pro hardware. Can't blame em look at the results. So why wouldn't their software follow that trend?

At least I know with Adobe they are an industry standard in photography and will be around making photoshop for years to come. The launch of Aperture 3 was a joke anyhow.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

My only gripe is, if Apple really does "dumb down" Final Cut, everyone one and their mom will think they are editors saturating the workforce with more monkeys. The exact opposite of what the industry needs right now.

That sounds like Apple as of late. I'll believe Steve Jobs' words when I see some proof, not before. Apple's got a lot to make up for in the pro market.

 

[aurora21]

oh no, this is bad!

if it's like iMovie... i will be SO disappointed. Apple please tell me it isn't so. I'll switch to Premier.