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I despise everything from Google, but other search engines are laughable in comparison with Google. Sad but true.

DuckDuckGo works fine. I haven’t missed google since I switched.
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I think "is important" is a bit weak and vague. No company will outright admit that they think your privacy is unimportant. I think Cook's line that its a "human right" or "a right" would be better.

Hard to be precise in a friggen domain name.
That’s what the pages at the domain are for.
 
Yep... Until it's not...
From the looks of it, Apple is not selling your data...
But they just turn a blind eye on their ecosystems allowing their partners to do so....
Well, until they are exposed on the media.
I am using Apple iphone and Mac alright, but I am pretty sure Google still knows me better than I knew about myself.

Not forgetting your credit card company, your bank.. the list goes on.
 
Switch anyway. The only way ddg gets better is more queries. That also makes google worse by removing queries and data.

Also, switch from gmail to something like fast mail.

I have switched to DDG on iPhone, now I am trying to switch on Mac, too.


As for, mail, I haven't been using Gmail in ages. I use only iCloud, for now.

And, I have one ProtonMail address for non formal things, but what buggers me is that ProtonMail asks you to pay for IMAP. I do not use ProtonMail that often to justify subscription.
 
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I’ve had great luck the last several years using DuckDuckGo. All of the top hits are many times the same. YMMV.

My miles have varied for the worse. DDG results are abysmal. I also don’t trust the DDG founder any more than I trust Google. Although they have stated their tracking pixels don’t have any private data, you can still correlate things about the user from the simple pixel firing. Look at how many tracking pixels fire per search request.

Tech companies have different privacy rhetorics for their niches.
 
I have switched to DDG on iPhone, now I am trying to switch on Mac, too.


As for, mail, I haven't been using Gmail in ages. I use only iCloud, for now.

And, I have one ProtonMail address for non formal things, but what ProtonMail asks you to pay for IMAP. I do not use ProtonMail that often to justify subscription.

Great! Now let’s get all your friends and family to switch too!
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privacy-is-an-illusion.com

Up is down. Dogs are cats. We have always been at war in east asia.
 
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My miles have varied for the worse. DDG results are abysmal. I also don’t trust the DDG founder any more than I trust Google. Although they have stated their tracking pixels don’t have any private data, you can still correlate things about the user from the simple pixel firing. Look at how many tracking pixels fire per search request.

Tech companies have different privacy rhetorics for their niches.

Correct. However, letting a couple orgs have everything is not the best policy for encouraging innovation and privacy. It's the mess of everything being amazon-Facebook-google.
 
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It's a great unique selling point, they are smart to capitalize on it. One of the reasons I have stayed on iOS and macOS is because of the high level of privacy, I trust Apple more than I trust Microsoft and Google when it comes to privacy as they have shown a continued commitment to providing us with good privacy controls and strong encryption.

They should try capitalize on it for sure. It definitely has value. It's one of the only things they have left for me personally at this current point in time. But it's just a (very unlikely) policy change away from not being.
 
Correct. However, letting a couple orgs have everything is not the best policy for encouraging innovation and privacy. It's the mess of everything being amazon-Facebook-google.

Don’t get me wrong. Competition is good. I just don’t buy into any rhetoric that public companies are primarily looking out for people.

I guess DDG should also run their own web infrastructure and not host their services on Amazon Web Services too to be completely detached :)
 
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When your products stop selling for themselves, you gotta marketing them up until it sticks.
So the entire world of marketing is a farce because only good products "sell themselves?"

No product at this scale "sells itself" entirely and no product of this scale is a poor product.

Stop being so cynical. Apple does A LOT to advocate privacy and more than any company in tech.
 
Facebook still in the App Store after the privacy and data breach scandals the last few months

nuff said.

It's not THAT important to Apple; privacy

Apple is just a master in marketing and P.R. (only with a double moral/standard)

I could not agree more. The privacy stance Apple takes seem completely fake. Their competitors need data to make their #1 product (ad sales) work. Apple sells hardware and limited services that can only use that hardware (minus Apple Music on Android). If Apple needed that data to survive their "privacy" stance would be completely different.

I am at a point that I wish we had a successful 3rd party for Smartphones. Some neutral ground on privacy. If only Windows Phone had been successful. Microsoft these days is a completely different company and in many ways more interesting than Apple right now.
 
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I could not agree more. The privacy stance Apple takes seem completely fake. Their competitors need data to make their #1 product (ad sales) work. Apple sells hardware and limited services that can only use that hardware (minus Apple Music on Android). If Apple needed that data to survive their "privacy" stance would be completely different.

That’s a weird position to take. Their stance is fake because their MOTIVE for protecting privacy isn’t one of pure altruism? Why should I care what their motive is?

The fact that they don’t need to monetize my privacy, combined with the fact that they CAN monetize NOT monetizing my privacy, is reason enough for me to trust that they will do what they can not to invade my privacy.

“If [some other universe existed, then] their ‘privacy’ stance would be completely different.” I mean, seriously. What kind of point is that? If we lived in the evil parallel Spock-goatee universe than Apple would be evil and google would be a bunch of freedom fighters trying to save us from invasions of privacy. So I’ll go with google?

Right now Apple has no need to invade our privacy, their products are designed to avoid invading our privacy, and they promise not to invade our privacy. That puts them ahead of most alternatives in regards to privacy, even if they aren’t perfect, and regardless of their motives.
 
i havent had any issues with duckduckgo. I find everything I've needed for a long time.

I have tried to use DuckDuck but sorry Google gives me faster and better results.

One example (of many) is that Google shows the date of a search result. There is some proprietary way to type in search criteria on DuckDuck that mostly gives you the date of results but it still does not do as well as Google and I have to remember how to use it to invoke it.
 
Facebook still in the App Store after the privacy and data breach scandals the last few months

nuff said.

It's not THAT important to Apple; privacy

Apple is just a master in marketing and P.R. (only with a double moral/standard)
The blow back they would receive if they removed Facebook from the App Store would FAR outweigh the outrage from keeping it. If you don't want Facebook on your phone... Then don't download it.
 
The blow back they would receive if they removed Facebook from the App Store would FAR outweigh the outrage from keeping it. If you don't want Facebook on your phone... Then don't download it.

It would mean Apple losing iPhone sales.
And we all know $$$ is more important than anything else...including your and my privacy
 
The blow back they would receive if they removed Facebook from the App Store would FAR outweigh the outrage from keeping it. If you don't want Facebook on your phone... Then don't download it.
It would be fine. Facebook would die, and everyone would say “see, Tim was right.” Just like when Steve refused to put flash on iPhone.
 
When your products stop selling for themselves, you gotta marketing them up until it sticks.
This is a funny comment given how much marketing Apple did under Steve Jobs. 1984, Think Different, Switch, Get A Mac, the iPod ads, iPhone "Hello", etc.

Just because Apple finds new ways to market doesn't mean they are failing. It means there are new things to market. Data privacy has only recently become a major issue, at least at a level where governments are doing something about it (GDPR and backlash against Facebook and other companies). Apple highlighting their focus on privacy (which is a real focus) is smart marketing.
 
It would mean Apple losing iPhone sales.
And we all know $$$ is more important than anything else...including your and my privacy

I would like also for Apple to try and censor apps invading user privacy, no matter how big corporation behind the app is, and how big is their user base.


They could ban Alex Jones' podcast for spreading conspiracy and disinformation. They can do the same with apps that violate user's privacy.


But as you said, financial consequences would be huge. There are far more Facebook users than Ales Jones fans.
 
It would mean Apple losing iPhone sales.
And we all know $$$ is more important than anything else...including your and my privacy
So Apple should just remove Facebook, the 5th most popular app on the App Store? Are they also removing Messenger, the 4th most popular app? Oh and what about Instagram, the 2nd most popular app, after all they are owned by Facebook. You have to be able to weigh the pros and cons to a decision.
 
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