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More cynical comments here. What is the deal with MacRumors these days? Apple literally cannot do anything right. :rolleyes:

I think that's mostly about people who have little power and not much going on in their lives. And sticking it to "the man," helps them feel better about themselves. For a few minutes anyway.
 
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So you like working for free?
Bug bounty is and should be rewarded because you don't just stumble across things by accident. Can't really believe you expect people to work for free.
Tons of bugs are discovered by accident. In fact, I'd suspect the majority--I'm not an expert, though, so I don't know for sure.

I can't really believe that you expect a company to compensate someone who did something on their own time without a contract or any request from the company. If I came outside to discover that someone had fixed my cracked windshield without me asking him and was now pushing me to pay him for it, I'd tell him to bug off (pun intended). If he did it out of the kindness of his heart, I probably would try to compensate him. But pressuring me to pay him for work I didn't ask him to do to begin with? That's a hard no.
 
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It's a great unique selling point, they are smart to capitalize on it. One of the reasons I have stayed on iOS and macOS is because of the high level of privacy, I trust Apple more than I trust Microsoft and Google when it comes to privacy as they have shown a continued commitment to providing us with good privacy controls and strong encryption.

It is just like the way Volvo focussed on safety all those years ago. Clever marketing.

Only one (billion, active users) problem: Facebook.
That shows just how little people care about privacy. Even after the controversies.

The market right now shows Convenience>Privacy.

I just enjoy people registering and posting on public forums to tell the world how important their privacy is to them.
 
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Yes, marketing campaigns mean that a company is failing.

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If privacy is so important, stop demanding payment and just tell them about bugs when you find them.

You know that security researcher also need to pay bills?
 
You know that security researcher also need to pay bills?
Then they should seek out actual contracts to do work.

Do you not think Apple has security researchers? That it doesn't have contracts with private companies to accomplish that precise task? Why on earth would they pay Joe Shmoe for doing work they never hired him to do? If a freelance developer created a new website for Apple and then complained that they didnt take him up on his offer to buy it, would you say "you know that web developers need to pay bills?"

There is a very simple process by which business takes place.
1. I request goods/services
2. You provide goods/services
3. I compensate you for goods/services

You can't just start at step 2 and then bully me into paying you for something I never hired you to do.
 
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It's fairly easy to avoid Google services if you choose, plenty of alternatives.

Start with avoiding google search. 1) Try www.duckduckgo.com 2) If you still just have to use Google search, use www.startpage.com which anonymizes google searches.

The the two things I cannot avoid are youtube and Google maps.
The only way to avoid it, is to bookmark every channel instead of subscribing them...
Youtube and Google maps are pretty much crippled if you don't login.
 
36? So wrong. Where is your source? Everytime you unlock your iPhone, apple knows.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/18/average-iphone-unlocked-80-times-per-day/

Apple tracks everything you do.
No they do not. They know that some random anonymous person unlocks their phone. They do not track that down to an individual.
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Then how does apple know how many times you unlock your iPhone
They don't. They use random anonymous data to come to an average. They do not know how many times I specifically unlock my phone.
 
Me discovering bugs in software belonging to a company with whom I have no professional contract is not work for which I should expect to be paid.

You don't just happen upon the kind of bug we have in mind here. Those that you describe - the ones that you happen upon in day-to-day operations - are annoyances and rarely, if ever, have security consequence. The kind of bugs that lead to real security threats are the kind you do have to work to find. And nobody should or does find those for free.
 
I like their original billboard better.

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This campaign explains the rubber prophylactic they are using for the butterfly keyboard in the MBPs perfectly.
 
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You don't just happen upon the kind of bug we have in mind here. Those that you describe - the ones that you happen upon in day-to-day operations - are annoyances and rarely, if ever, have security consequence. The kind of bugs that lead to real security threats are the kind you do have to work to find. And nobody should or does find those for free.
Then it's a good thing that Apple pays actual employees to look for them, isn't it?
 
Tons of bugs are discovered by accident. In fact, I'd suspect the majority--I'm not an expert, though, so I don't know for sure.

I can't really believe that you expect a company to compensate someone who did something on their own time without a contract or any request from the company. If I came outside to discover that someone had fixed my cracked windshield without me asking him and was now pushing me to pay him for it, I'd tell him to bug off (pun intended). If he did it out of the kindness of his heart, I probably would try to compensate him. But pressuring me to pay him for work I didn't ask him to do to begin with? That's a hard no.
You make a good analogy, but there is more to explore in your own example:

What if your car was being used to transport (and reasonably guarantee the safety of) people? That crack in your windshield now poses more of a threat than just the cosmetic inconvenience. Now you have people at risk because of your cracked windshield. Not to mention that in your example, you are the one that produced your cracked windshield. You bear the responsibility in the first place. What, are you just not going to fix it?

More to the point, the vulnerabilities are rarely that obvious. It is more like a slow, hidden leak of harmful, odorless gas that you would have to poke and pry to find. That takes a dedication.
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Then it's a good thing that Apple pays actual employees to look for them, isn't it?

You miss the point, because they miss the bugs.
 
You make a good analogy, but there is more to explore in your own example:

What if your car was being used to transport (and reasonably guarantee the safety of) people? That crack in your windshield now poses more of a threat than just the cosmetic inconvenience. Now you have people at risk because of your cracked windshield. Not to mention that in your example, you are the one that produced your cracked windshield. You bear the responsibility in the first place. What, are you just not going to fix it?

More to the point, the vulnerabilities are rarely that obvious. It is more like a slow, hidden leak of harmful, odorless gas that you would have to poke and pry to find. That takes a dedication.
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You miss the point, because they miss the bugs.
To take your own analogy: say you claim to be the only person who can see that my windshield is cracked and also alone have the ability to fix it. You refuse to do so unless I pay you. Now who is more morally culpable: me for not fixing the problem that I didn't know existed, or you for holding the safety of all those people over my head because you just want to get paid?
 
More cynical comments here. What is the deal with MacRumors these days? Apple literally cannot do anything right. :rolleyes:

It's seriously getting old fast. I started calling people out on their nonsense. Is Apple perfect? No, but judging by these forums you'd swear they made horrid products that everyone hates and that just simply isn't true.
 
More like throw anything on the wall marketing strategy and we'll see what sticks.
 
Facebook still in the App Store after the privacy and data breach scandals the last few months

nuff said.

It's not THAT important to Apple; privacy

Apple is just a master in marketing and P.R. (only with a double moral/standard)
[doublepost=1551805035][/doublepost]Agreed. It’s about time Cook pulled his finger out and got people drooling over Apple products again!
 
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DuckDuckGo works fine. I haven’t missed google since I switched.
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Hard to be precise in a friggen domain name.
That’s what the pages at the domain are for.

Um...privacyisaright.com is even shorter. Not sure if it's taken. But my point stands.
 
No they do not. They know that some random anonymous person unlocks their phone. They do not track that down to an individual.
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They don't. They use random anonymous data to come to an average. They do not know how many times I specifically unlock my phone.


Being anonymous is different from privacy. I can stand inside a girls locker room and not know anyone's name inside. The woman I take pictures of are still have their anonymity.

It doesn't matter if apple doesn't record names with the data. What apple does is not privacy.
 
Tons of bugs are discovered by accident. In fact, I'd suspect the majority--I'm not an expert, though, so I don't know for sure.

I can't really believe that you expect a company to compensate someone who did something on their own time without a contract or any request from the company. If I came outside to discover that someone had fixed my cracked windshield without me asking him and was now pushing me to pay him for it, I'd tell him to bug off (pun intended). If he did it out of the kindness of his heart, I probably would try to compensate him. But pressuring me to pay him for work I didn't ask him to do to begin with? That's a hard no.
So aside all the nonsense here. How do you explain double standards from Apple? iOS has bounty, MacOS doesn't?
All people are saying here is to have bounty for both so people get paid for their time, software improves and overall quality goes higher. Apple is a company that is proud of their ECOSYSTEMS and as a whole it needs to be secure. Bounty should be for iOS and MacOS - period!

Otherwise, don't have either.
 
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