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"You don’t believe the spin"

No I don't. Apple is saying "our competitors are collecting all kinds of data on you and that is bad. We are not because we are not in that business....or ummm...wait because it is bad, so don't use their products use ours".

Again it is simply....."How to analyze competitor weaknesses and make them your strengths".

Apple collects all kinds of data on you to better sell you its products. They DO NOT want anyone else to have that data because they want to keep it to themselves to give them a competitive advantage.

If they truly believed the hype that Tim is putting on out privacy they would ban a bunch of apps, starting with the list the Wall Street Journal recently put out that feeds Facebook mountains of data whether you have a Facebook account or not. This was a Macrumors article on 2/22 if you want to look it up.
You are so right! Even the blind could see this.
 
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"You don’t believe the spin"

No I don't. Apple is saying "our competitors are collecting all kinds of data on you and that is bad. We are not because we are not in that business....or ummm...wait because it is bad, so don't use their products use ours".

Again it is simply....."How to analyze competitor weaknesses and make them your strengths".

Apple collects all kinds of data on you to better sell you its products. They DO NOT want anyone else to have that data because they want to keep it to themselves to give them a competitive advantage.

If they truly believed the hype that Tim is putting on out privacy they would ban a bunch of apps, starting with the list the Wall Street Journal recently put out that feeds Facebook mountains of data whether you have a Facebook account or not. This was a Macrumors article on 2/22 if you want to look it up.
When your products arent that compelling or different anymore, you have to come up with something that justifies the higher prices. It’s not the tech inside that put them above the competitors. So let’s use something vague like privacy because it’s invisible to the eye and very difficult to check.

Smart but vague.
 
You don’t believe the spin? The spin is “we won’t use your data for nefarious purposes. We don’t want your data.”

You don’t believe that? But you are the one who said they don’t need your data.

Another dumb argument: “this privacy stance they are taking is easy to do [for them, because]...”

You know what, I’m happy that for most people I meet during the day it’s easy for them not to murder me. I don’t say “well, yeah, he didn’t murder me, but that’s only because he’s not a homicidal maniac or someone with some horrible mental illness or only because he doesnt have a gun permit.” Instead I’m just thankful that this person didn’t murder me, and I try to hang out with people like that.

Worrying about the fact that it is matters of renumeration rather than altruism that result in apple’s privacy stance is just about the weakest argument one can make. In fact, market forces are a far more reliable insurer of good behavior than altruism; altruism can disappear at any moment.
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Nobody is saying it isn’t “just a business move.” The point is, who cares? It’s BETTER that it’s a business move, because if it were NOT a business move - if market forces weren’t behind it - they’d be free to change their minds at any time. They aren’t going to suddenly transform into a non-hardware ad-aggregator. This is the best reason to trust them with your privacy.

TheMacDaddy1 makes a convincing argument. I don't understand why his argument so hard for you to understand and why you continue to think it's dumb.

Taking the privacy stance is easy for Apple (at least right now).

Really.

Google has given the world just as much value as Apple has, if not more. Its core product is completely free to use. In return, Google collects data on your search and behavior so it can better tailor product recommendations to you (ads). Collecting data is at the core of Google's business.

Apple has been a hardware company. It made the majority of its money selling you hardware packaged with custom software.

Of course it's easy for Apple to say that it "cares" about your privacy when data isn't at the core of their business model.

By the way, the reason Macrumors exists and you can post here for free is because of Google's ability to collect data and show you relevant ads.

Macrumors is powered by Google ads. It's also using Google Analytics which tracks you too.

Edit: You think DuckDuckGo cares about your privacy too? Nah, the founder of DuckDuckGo just saw a business opportunity to differentiate a bit and target a smaller segment of the population who don't want to be tracked for some reason and make some money.
 
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TheMacDaddy1 makes a convincing argument. I don't understand why his argument so hard for you to understand and why you continue to think it's dumb.

Taking the privacy stance is easy for Apple (at least right now).

Really.

Google has given the world just as much value as Apple has, if not more. Its core product is completely free to use. In return, Google collects data on your search and behavior so it can better tailor product recommendations to you (ads). Collecting data is at the core of Google's business.

Apple has been a hardware company. It made the majority of its money selling you hardware packaged with custom software.

Of course it's easy for Apple to say that it "cares" about your privacy when data isn't at the core of their business model.

By the way, the reason Macrumors exists and you can post here for free is because of Google's ability to collect data and show you relevant ads.

Macrumors is powered by Google ads. It's also using Google Analytics which tracks you too.
Sometimes it's hard to grasp certain concepts when all some people do, is worship a company and its products. They will do anything to defend them. @TheMacDaddy1 makes very valid points, that are hard to deny, when using common sense, and taking a step back from being in defensive mode all the time.
 
Sometimes it's hard to grasp certain concepts when all some people do, is worship a company and its products. They will do anything to defend them. @TheMacDaddy1 makes very valid points, that are hard to deny, when using common sense, and taking a step back from being in defensive mode all the time.
Actually if one stopped being biased they can easily see at Apple you are not the product. And since there are some that will do anything to defend Apple that means at the other end there are those who will do anything to criticize Apple.

You as a consumer buy the product. Apple doesn’t take your purchase information and turn it into underwear, shavers or lipstick adverts.
 
Actually if one stopped being biased they can easily see at Apple you are not the product. And since there are some that will do anything to defend Apple that means at the other end there are those who will do anything to criticize Apple.

You as a consumer buy the product. Apple doesn’t take your purchase information and turn it into underwear, shavers or lipstick adverts.
Refer back to my post, especially the part about "defending Apple", as you seem guilty as charged. Not sure what the irrelevant part of your post has to do with mine... But keep on defending as you must.
 
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I have switched to DDG on iPhone, now I am trying to switch on Mac, too.


As for, mail, I haven't been using Gmail in ages. I use only iCloud, for now.

And, I have one ProtonMail address for non formal things, but what buggers me is that ProtonMail asks you to pay for IMAP. I do not use ProtonMail that often to justify subscription.

If you want privacy you will have to pay for it. Gmail, Outlook etc are NOT free. Those services are paid for by advertisers who monetize your usage those products.
 
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Nah, I think @TheMacDaddy1 is correct here.

Advertising this is just a business move. Apple doesn't actually care about your privacy. If they had to collect more of your data to increase their bottom line, they'll quietly do away with this campaign in the future.

I've been working in Silicon Valley for a while now and I can tell you that 99% of people don't care about having their data collected. It's the only vocal 1% that care.

I can also tell you that the reason we collect data is to analyze your behavior and build a product. Google collects your data so it can show more relevant ads for you. It collects data so it can build a better Gmail. In my tech company, we collect data on which homes for sale you viewed on our website and then we run machine learning to recommend similar homes that you might have missed.

You can tell that many of Apple's data-driven services like Siri is not even close to as smart as Google's. This is going to be a major obstacle for Apple as they try to transition into a service company.

On a related note, Apple not collecting and not having as much data as Google and Facebook is the reason why I sold all my Apple stocks and bought Google/FB stocks despite owning all major Apple devices. Google and FB are far better situated in the A.I. era than Apple is and we can already see this with how dumb Siri is.

I think quietly in Apple's services and A.I. department, they wish this privacy marketing campaign didn't exist so they can collect more data.
Apple tried advertising and failed. They know hey will never be able to outrun google or Facebook. So they try a different approach and the cheapest. Let the people believe your platform is safest all though the vulnerabilities found in their OS won’t get repaired unless it’s disclosed to the public and will hurt their ‘brand’.
 
Refer back to my post, especially the part about "defending Apple", as you seem guilty as charged. Not sure what the irrelevant part of your post has to do with mine... But keep on defending as you must.
In that vein, see the part in my post about criticizing Apple.:rolleyes: However you didn’t really address the question at hand. Only some subjective generalization about consumers who value Apple products and like what the company is doing.
 
So why doesn’t Apple buy DuckDuckGo and make it the preferred search engine instead of google? Oh wait, they’ll miss billions and billions from google.

Double standards indeed.

That is not a double standard. Apple is consistent: you can do whatever you want via web browser, and apps must adhere to their own privacy policies which are clearly and accurately provided to the users on demand.
 
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Apple tried advertising and failed. They know hey will never be able to outrun google or Facebook. So they try a different approach and the cheapest. Let the people believe your platform is safest all though the vulnerabilities found in their OS won’t get repaired unless it’s disclosed to the public and will hurt their ‘brand’.

Actually, Apple still sells ads. https://searchads.apple.com/

Show your ads only to new customers, existing customers, users of your other apps, or to everyone. You can also refine your audience by gender, age, and show your ads only to devices located in specific geographic areas.

How the hell is that any different from what Google does? Except that Google is probably a lot better and more experienced at collecting the above data.
 
Nah, I think @TheMacDaddy1 is correct here.

Advertising this is just a business move. Apple doesn't actually care about your privacy. If they had to collect more of your data to increase their bottom line, they'll quietly do away with this campaign in the future.

I've been working in Silicon Valley for a while now and I can tell you that 99% of people don't care about having their data collected. It's the only vocal 1% that care.

I can also tell you that the reason we collect data is to analyze your behavior and build a product. Google collects your data so it can show more relevant ads for you. It collects data so it can build a better Gmail. In my tech company, we collect data on which homes for sale you viewed on our website and then we run machine learning to recommend similar homes that you might have missed.

You can tell that many of Apple's data-driven services like Siri is not even close to as smart as Google's. This is going to be a major obstacle for Apple as they try to transition into a service company.

On a related note, Apple not collecting and not having as much data as Google and Facebook is the reason why I sold all my Apple stocks and bought Google/FB stocks despite owning all major Apple devices. Google and FB are far better situated in the A.I. era than Apple is and we can already see this with how dumb Siri is.

I think quietly in Apple's services and A.I. department, they wish this privacy marketing campaign didn't exist so they can collect more data.
This is exactly why I’m consciously weaning off google. One gmail account, use bing when possible and limit Youtube and don’t use Facebook or Snapchat or instagram. Granted there are evils in every corner of the inter webs but I don’t want to give google the entire thing in a silver platter.
 
In that vein, see the part in my post about criticizing Apple.:rolleyes: However you didn’t really address the question at hand. Only some subjective generalization about consumers who value Apple products and like what the company is doing.
Again, you are missing the point that I made. No need to try and change the subject, or shift the focus of someone's OP.

Think about it like this... There are radicals around the world, who'd do anything to defend their beliefs. Does this make their beliefs true/right?

You quoted me originally, not the other way around, just fyi
 
This is exactly why I’m consciously weaning off google. One gmail account, use bing when possible and limit Youtube and don’t use Facebook or Snapchat or instagram. Granted there are evils in every corner of the inter webs but I don’t want to give google the entire thing in a silver platter.
You should stop coming to Macrumors as well and any website that has ads (most free websites do) or any website that uses Google Analytics (most websites use it).

Also, I hope you realize that Bing does the exact samething with tracking: https://advertise.bingads.microsoft.com/en-us/solutions/audience-targeting/universal-event-tracking
 
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Actually, Apple still sells ads. https://searchads.apple.com/

Show your ads only to new customers, existing customers, users of your other apps, or to everyone. You can also refine your audience by gender, age, and show your ads only to devices located in specific geographic areas.

How the hell is that any different from what Google does? Except that Google is probably a lot better and more experienced at collecting the above data.
They still do? Lol. I remember them saying they would go all in on ads... it was at the time Steve went nuclear on Android and Google Maps was replaced by Apple maps.

I think their streaming video service will follow the same route :rolleyes:

But Macs and privacy are very important to us o_O:D
 
Apple "loves" privacy...sort of. If you are a muslim terrorist in San Bernardino and you just slaughtered a bunch of your co-workers your iPhone is safe. If you're Roger Stone and haven't done anything then all your iCloud data is turned over to to the FBI in an instant.
 
Again, you are missing the point that I made. No need to try and change the subject, or shift the focus of someone's OP.

Think about it like this... There are radicals around the world, who'd do anything to defend their beliefs. Does this make their beliefs true/right?

You quoted me originally, not the other way around, just fyi
Yes, my opinion is your original post is a hyperbolic one-sided generalization.
 
That is not a double standard. Apple is consistent: you can do whatever you want via web browser, and apps must adhere to their own privacy policies which are clearly and accurately provided to the users on demand.
Oh come on... you also know very well, like me, that the average iPhone user doesn’t know or mind to change the standard search option in safari to DDG. If everyone was doing that, or Apple cared, google didn’t want to spend those billions on Apple.

Double standards indeed :rolleyes:
 
Yes, my opinion is your original post is a hyperbolic one-sided generalization.
Your typical response... Let's just drop it. No point in continuing a conversation, in which you just keep shifting the goal posts, like your other posts. Good day
 
Yep... Until it's not...
From the looks of it, Apple is not selling your data...
But they just turn a blind eye on their ecosystems allowing their partners to do so....
Well, until they are exposed on the media.
I am using Apple iphone and Mac alright, but I am pretty sure Google still knows me better than I knew about myself.
Which makes me wonder how they get away with that billboard, is it at the least misleading and at worst a big fat lie?
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The blow back they would receive if they removed Facebook from the App Store would FAR outweigh the outrage from keeping it. If you don't want Facebook on your phone... Then don't download it.
But the Facebook app (and others), does contradict Apples "what happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone" claim.
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I am sure the people that use Facebook every single day on their phone would love to have it removed. Oh and Instagram too.

Again, you have to be able to weigh the pros and cons.

Pro: Makes a small number of people happy because "SECURITY!"

Con: The VAST majority of people get mad because the app(s) they have used for years have been removed.

Again, if you don't want Facebook on your phone... Then don't download it...


Should we also get rid of Amazon and all Google apps?
Surely a compromise would be in clear native language a list of the data the app shares with the developers etc, and maybe more control, like we have with apps access to camera, microphone etc, so we can restrict the app further. I think people should be able to use wahtever app they like, but have the full, honest and clear information about the apps they use. I really wish more ethical developers were like the ones behind HeartWatch, and stated clearly, they dont share your info.
 
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