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I’m not sure what you do.

But I’m not ordering Ubers or cabs from Windows or macOS.
Neither do (can!) I use a printed map in a city I’m not familiar - or look things up in the street on my Windows device.
Nor do my friends that I’ll be meeting in 20 minutes send emails with their locations to my Windows device.
Banking apps often don’t work on Windows.
And I’m not opening my Windows laptop on a crowded bus or train to look up connections.

Can everything be done on non-smartphones? Theoretically yes.
But practically not, or only very inconveniently so.

I can’t even control my apartment’s heating system without an app (though granted, that’s certainly not a common requirement today and may just be a restriction on browser access imposed by the landlord, and).
Don’t make an iPhone as indispensable as air food or water. It ain’t so.
 
All UK based, it did make me wonder, with the UK entwined with so many EU laws still I was thinking we may be caught under this too? Not that I would use a lot of alt app stores, but the idea of having some game emulators for old consoles without having to jump through hoops is nice.
Upgraded mine and absolutely no mention of choosing anything. Upgrade, Hello and in.
 
I wonder if the Epic store will control what types of apps it hosts. It better not, or you might make EU boys have a sad!

Here’s the future I see:

Fortnite
Porn
Porn
Porn
Porn

That *is* the way it should be, right EU? 😂
 
Agreed
Why on Earth are people making an argument that Apple still gets to control their phone after they bought it?
I’m glad we are seeing changes.

On a related note, I’m upset that Apple has built a massive Find My network that works on the back of all of our devices. This steals computing resources from our phones and uses our data plans to transmit information. It isn’t opt in, but rather opt out. If you opt out, then you give up being able to use it find your devices. There is no setting to allow only your devices to be found, but not participate in their global network for other people’s devices.

It is crazy they are using our resources to support their AirTag product. We get no compensation for this. Where is the line? Should they be able to install crypto miners on our phones, too? Train AI models? Etc

The entitlement is unreal.
 
I’m glad we are seeing changes.

On a related note, I’m upset that Apple has built a massive Find My network that works on the back of all of our devices. This steals computing resources from our phones and uses our data plans to transmit information. It isn’t opt in, but rather opt out. If you opt out, then you give up being able to use it find your devices. There is no setting to allow only your devices to be found, but not participate in their global network for other people’s devices.

It is crazy they are using our resources to support their AirTag product. We get no compensation for this. Where is the line? Should they be able to install crypto miners on our phones, too? Train AI models? Etc

The entitlement is unreal.
The satire writes itself 😂

Next people will be asking why Apple doesn’t deliver a charger to them when they forget it at home — get on it EU!
 
It isn’t opt in, but rather opt out. If you opt out, then you give up being able to use it find your devices. There is no setting to allow only your devices to be found, but not participate in their global network for other people’s devices.

Reminds me of how Xfinity "opts in" all their home internet customers who use Xfinity hardware....to sharing a WiFi network for "any other Xfinity customers within range" to jump on YOUR home internet connection.

It's a discrete WiFi network -- but they are sharing/using YOUR connection!

Incredible gall by these megacorps

Found this going on at my older relatives house and immediately bought them their own Cable modem and jumped through the hoops to get it activated on their Xfinity instead.
 
Tim Sweeney tweeted so it must be true!

"EU industry chief Thierry Breton on Thursday warned large online platforms against threatening developers, saying he would look into Apple's (AAPL.O), opens new tab move to prevent Fortnite video-game maker Epic Games from launching its own online marketplace on iPhones and iPads in Europe as a matter of priority"
 
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Reminds me of how Xfinity "opts in" all their home internet customers who use Xfinity hardware....to sharing a WiFi network for "any other Xfinity customers within range" to jump on YOUR home internet connection.

It's a discrete WiFi network -- but they are sharing/using YOUR connection!

Incredible gall by these megacorps

Found this going on at my older relatives house and immediately bought them their own Cable modem and jumped through the hoops to get it activated on their Xfinity instead.
This also reminds me about out of staters or foreigners driving on my local roads.

Those freeloaders never paid for them, and *I’m* not planning on visiting their home.

They should either pay up or get off “my” road.

Incredible, incredible gall I tell ya!
 
You really believe the EU had anything to do with this? No government works that fast. They just announced a "probe" into the issue YESTERDAY. You do know what that means, right? It means they were starting to LOOK into it. Not take an action.
You have to come out of the Reality Distortion Field.







 
I’m glad we are seeing changes.

On a related note, I’m upset that Apple has built a massive Find My network that works on the back of all of our devices. This steals computing resources from our phones and uses our data plans to transmit information. It isn’t opt in, but rather opt out. If you opt out, then you give up being able to use it find your devices. There is no setting to allow only your devices to be found, but not participate in their global network for other people’s devices.

It is crazy they are using our resources to support their AirTag product. We get no compensation for this. Where is the line? Should they be able to install crypto miners on our phones, too? Train AI models? Etc

The entitlement is unreal.
I mean that just seems fair to me. If you want to use other people’s resources to find your devices, then they should be able to use yours. Surely you can see that the entire system breaks down and ceases to function if everyone can choose to have the ability to find their devices while not contributing to help others find theirs. Though perhaps I’m misunderstanding what your complaint is.
 
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I mean that just seems fair to me. If you want to use other people’s resources to find your devices, then they should be able to use yours. Surely you can see that the entire system breaks down and ceases to function if everyone can choose to have the ability to find their devices while not contributing to help others find theirs.

I guess I just wonder who would opt-in (or pay for the service) if it was offered on the level

They kind of just "don't talk about how it works" and then pitch it with "Find your stuff with Apple's Find My network!"

Apple's find my network?
Is it...Apples? Really?
 
I mean that just seems fair to me. If you want to use other people’s resources to find your devices, then they should be able to use yours. Surely you can see that the entire system breaks down and ceases to function if everyone can choose to have the ability to find their devices while not contributing to help others find theirs. Though perhaps I’m misunderstanding what your complaint is.
It just HAS to be sarcasm, right? RIGHT?! 😳
 
I guess I just wonder who would opt-in (or pay for the service) if it was offered on the level

They kind of just "don't talk about how it works" and then pitch it with "Find your stuff with Apple's Find My network!"

Apple's find my network?
Is it...Apples? Really?
Just turn off Bluetooth and you’re “safe” again. No need to participate 😂

I think this thread has reached peak stupid.
 
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It's interesting that a government official seems to be hinging her entire credibility on whether a particular game is available to the public. Most notably one that has been in the news for all the wrong reasons.

Whats this "her" business. Thierry is a bloke.

 
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The RDF is like a casino -- really hard to find the exits
No clocks either, so you lose track of how long you've been in there

This ain't the Apple of old anymore
It’s actually the exact same as the App Store has always been. Now with billionaire whiners who want to freeload and can pay off the EU.

You’ve been duped by Schweeny — if you can’t see that, ah well 😉
 
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So you honestly believe a person without a smartphone is able to access services and move through the world just as well as someone with one? Digital guidance systems alone are enough to point out the silliness of that idea.
Well considering the poster did say those "The people who have android survive life just fine." never claimed those without a smartphone, simply that doesn't have to be an iPhone. Other smartphones are available for people unhappy with Apple and how they do Smartphones
 
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The EU isn’t there to create smartphones. They’re there to establish and regulate their market.
There is a wider point about how the EU missed out on the internet revolution. It was a leader in handsets (Nokia) until Nokia fumbled.

It appears they know this all too well:

Stability AI is in London (not the EU) and I know there’s some other gen AI companies in the EU (France & Germany) as the EU wants to have its own AI tech.

ARM is still mostly in the UK but owned by overseas investors (after the UK government failed to see how important their tech would be).

But the USA also failed to see how chip architectures that were ‘mobile first’ would be critical - Taiwan obviously did (TMSC).

And of course, the EU doesn’t have any companies with major graphics chips tech or manufacturing for gen AI/ML.

But then, the entire world seems to be beholden to Nvidia, so maybe we can’t blame them.
 
The joke is that Epic Games could have played by Apple's rules and kept raking in millions of dollars but they decided that wasn't enough, broke their contract, and got nothing.
Epic wanted their store on iOS and to be excluded from the 30% Apple tax. Seems like they’re getting exactly what they wanted. No joke there.

Apple losing their stranglehold over App Store fees alone is high-energy psychic damage manifested directly into the brain of Tim Cook. Losing their App Store’s sole dominance on the platform because of a stubborn video game company CEO is another level entirely.

Enjoy the ride. More platform openness will be better for us all in the long run.
 
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