Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

[Evangelion]

I'm in shock over the number of Mac users who are cheering this move. People, this is the end of the Mac. An OS cannot exist without developers. Apple has overnight killed OS X...perhaps intentionally.

OS X will remain the default OS of Macs. It takes extra effort for people to install Windows there. And OS X is STILL superior of the two. And no matter what happens, Apple is a HARDWARE-company. And this means more hardware-sales!

The arguments for dual booting are weak. Mac users have survived and often thrived for years without the ability to boot Windows.

You call 5% market-share "thriving"?

First they sold out the iPod and music store

Huh?

then they sold out the PowerPC

They replaced one architecture for a better architecture. What's wrong with that? It's not "different" enough?

what the hell do you people think is next? I'll tell you. They're selling out OS X!

Yep.... suuuurrree.

 

[rayz]

Yup, use it at work and I also use a mac at work as well. The difference, to me, is night and day. Again, just my personal preference.

Well, if XP SP2 is crashing on you, then get your hardware checked. The OS itself is rock solid. A little rough round the UI, but I've never had it crash on me yet.

 

[runninmac]

Well as long as I don't connect mine to the internet I think this is a great idea for games. Imagine running windows games at full power because no viruses to slow it down.

If you didn't notice im most excited about the gaming front!

 

[DavidLeblond]

How, exactly? Windows propably has ZERO clue about the system outside it's little corner on the machine. It has no idea that there is OS X-system outside it's FAT/NTFS-partitions. How exactly could it or some virus erase OS X?

Erm you know that thing in the Administrative Tools called Disk Management? Shows you all the physical partitions on every disk on the system? Or perhaps even just plain ol' fDisk?

 

[bluefire75]

Boot Camp only works with SP2. Sorry.




Oh, the conspiracy theories

The only thing this is the end of is the need to have 2 computers.

I defintely agree with you, it does eliminate the need to have 2 computers. I'm merely praising Apple for allowing this flexibility. And of course such flexiblity such as this comes with risks...but those risks seems to be more on the user level than OS level

 

[dwd3885]

Like I said when the Intel mini's came out...The switch to Windows is on. Only, it's Apple who's switching!

 

[Evangelion]

I'm wondering that myself now.

Re. PPC-users & Leopard: It means that one feature of Leopard will not work for them. No more, no less. There were already users who could use Core Image, while others could not. This is no different

 

[mark88]

Well, it was a waste for everyone except for the guy who won $13000!

I wonder how much the onmac contest had to do with this product? the methods seem pretty similar, Apple waited for hackers to do it, then commericalized it?

 

[gedto]

Yes yes yes yes!

This is it: I'll never have to buy a PC again, no matter how much I depend on Autocad or similar programs not available for OS X.

Now I just hope that Jobs can keep developers producing OS X apps...

 

[Evangelion]

Erm you know that thing in the Administrative Tools called Disk Management? Shows you all the physical partitions on every disk on the system? Or perhaps even just plain ol' fDisk?

Really? My Disk Management does not show my Linux-partitions. Windows has no clue that there is another OS out there.

 

[G5power]

This is great - now when Apple finally releases an Intel Power Mac system I can replace my dual G4. With a good video card I can play my aircraft shootem up - Il2 Sturmovik. A game that would probably never have been ported for OSX. Also I have some Cisco material that will only run on Windows.

In my opinion the recent contest to get Windows running on an Apple triggered an earlier release of Boot Camp by Apple.

 

[840quadra]

Holy clueless, batman! It's completely on topic, this announcement is the entire reason for the Apple stock boost.

Actually, the topic is Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta" not "Current Apple Stock Status" .

My post was actually intended as humor, not to start a war, but I guess it was worded poorly, or people don't care .

In short, I don't stand corrected, and I need to remember to use smilies on this forum so people can tell that I am joking from now on .

I think that's unfair....

When I read the press release I laughed when I read "superior hardware". PC users get to pick and choose their components, at least where desktop machines are concerned.

That is a valid and good point, I did not see that comment in the press release, and would question that too.

 

[milo]

Have you even used XP? I have numerours machines all running XP Pro and not once in 4-5 years have I *ever* had a blue screen of anything. It's a stereotype carried over from the 95 and 98 days. ME improved alot upon error messages and such, XP went another step further.

The BSOD is still there. You just don't see it because the new default in XP is to reboot the machine immediately on BSOD. I've seen plenty of hard crashes on XP.

...decided to wait until someone else had figured it out. And then bought the solution.

No way. This version blows away the homebrew solution. I'm sure Apple had this working before the first intel mac shipped.

In other words, it's THE END of native software development for Mac OS, as I said before on another thread...

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Developers will stop writing for OSX at the same time mac market share is on the rise. I doubt any are that stupid.

are you guys going to RUN windows now? Seems to me Macs have the superior OS, not the superior Hardware.

I'm going to run it the 5% of the time I need to suffer through windows for an app that isn't available on OSX.

Would have been better now buying intel imac refurb for $1449 and putting windows on it as well so i can game.

Stinkin' apple

So you made a dumb decision about which to buy...and it's APPLE's fault? Look in the mirror, kid.

What does this mean for PPC Macs at the OS upgrade?

Likely nothing, beyond they won't be able to run windows apps.

Vista will ship on Apple hardware. You wait and see. All the developers, websites, and communities you supported and took part in will vanish.

Nice FUD, Joe. You do realize that your post didn't give a single reason why your doomsday scenario would happen, right?

 

[prostuff1]

Yahoo!!

I don't have an intel based mac yet but as soon as the MBP with merom chips and 10.5 come out i will be buying.

I love my G4 and G5 but as an engineering major i have kinda backed myself into a corner. So far i am doing fine with software but that will probably change the further i get into my major.

I dont see OS X software being hurt to much by this. When you get use to the way things work in OS X you really dont want to get use to how they are in XP. I for one hate how the menus are attached to the windows in XP. It might be nice for a multi monitor setup but besides that i dont like it.

The only thing i see that might be hurt is OS X games. Now if companys get to it and release games at about the same time at about the same price then all will be fine.

Can't wait for the MBP with merom and 10.5

 

[DavidLeblond]

Oh, and for everyone saying that this will kill Apple remember this:

Apple is a computer company.

Can you imagine how many iMacs this little tool is going to sell? This is the single best thing they've ever done business wise.

 

[Kerberos]

Next move from Microsoft

Well, guess what is going to be the next move from Microsoft, which
is after all not completely stupid (should I say dumb ?) ...
They re going to release a version of Windows XP specifically tuned/optimized
for the Apple hardware Then they can sell Windows licences to the remaining 5 % of the population which is using Apple.
Starting today, Microsoft doesn t care anymore (if it ever did) about Apple taking market shares. An Apple hardware owner is now as good a customer to sell OS and softwares to, as a Dell or Hp or whatever.

 

[JCT]

I'm in shock over the number of Mac users who are cheering this move. People, this is the end of the Mac. An OS cannot exist without developers. Apple has overnight killed OS X...perhaps intentionally.

The arguments for dual booting are weak. Mac users have survived and often thrived for years without the ability to boot Windows. Apple itself staved off death and reemerged stronger than ever without the help of Windows.

First they sold out the iPod and music store, then they sold out the PowerPC...what the hell do you people think is next? I'll tell you. They're selling out OS X!

Vista will ship on Apple hardware. You wait and see. All the developers, websites, and communities you supported and took part in will vanish.

Some 30th anniversary gift!

You're joking, right? Let me get this straight, so most users (including mom and pop) , if they had Win XP and OS X side by side on the *same* machine would choose Win XP? Especially after they had used iLife, etc? Imagine the possibilities, here for folks who are curious but afraid to go whole-hog and switch over. Many, many people find they prefer OS X for day-to-day use. Apple is betting this will continue. They're showing the confidence in their platform and user experience that we would want them to. I seem to remember plenty of the "sky is falling" predictions with the original Intel announcements... and the developers have been working hard to make things work. I adore my MBP, it's FAST and it's a Mac. Enough said.

Besides, as those Win XP partitions keep getting infected with viruses and Malware --- that "switch" decision will get pretty easy.

JT

 

[anthonymoody]

My guess echoes one of the posts several pages back: Leopard will include something even better than windows virtualization. It'll include the ability to run windows applications seamlessly. They won't run in a windows session (ala VPC) but in a self contained window which appears to the user as if they were running the app on a PC.

I do think that there is a material risk that some developers will simply stop porting apps. Why bother?

Also, I think the recent high level departures can easily be conjectured to be the result of internal tussling over this decision.

Finally, the good folks at Apple are at least as smart as we all are here D) so we can all rest assured that they've thought of all the downstream effects we have here. They obviously calculated the risks and decided it was worth it - and they'll do everything possible to steer things as they prefer.

TM

 

[Diatribe]

I really hope this doesn't limit developers from making mac versions of their programs, that is my ultimate fear

Again, I think this will mark the beginning of a very tough period for Mac specialist game publishers. Now there is an Apple-blessed method of conveniently dual booting into the world's premier gaming console, Windows XP. Why would anyone apart from a few diehard greybeards wait for a native OS X port of a game to be produced, when they can run (now with full graphics and sound driver support) the Windows XP version today.

Exactly. That is my fear too. Why port games or apps for that matter when they can run Windows? I don't think this will be a problem for the big firms like Adobe etc. but a lot of smaller ones will think twice now.

 

[Diatribe]

From the Boot Camp page...


Please listen to the warning so we don't have to deal with people saying that their Mac got a virus because of Windows and now it is broken.

Hehe. This is bound to happen.

 

[wedge antilies]

This is well planned

If anyone is criticizing the move, I think you should realise that Apple would have done some serious research in to this and that XP will not kill off OSX, but it should lead to increased market share for Apple.
THis means more APPLE hardware sold = $$$$$
This means more Apple software sold, iLife, iWork, Quicktime, proApps like Final Cut, Aperture etc, = $$$$$$
This also helps lock people into iPod and iTunes =$$$$$.

I don't see anyway this is a loser for Apple.

I'll be 95% OSX, but some of my work Apps are XP only, so that will be the other 5%

Come June, I'll be buying my 20" iMac.

Hey ignore my tagline: I'm now a member!

 

[duffman9000]

Erm you know that thing in the Administrative Tools called Disk Management? Shows you all the physical partitions on every disk on the system? Or perhaps even just plain ol' fDisk?

Not that i would know, but running OS X on a thinkpad disk management was not able to see the OS X partition. Or maybe it saw it as "damaged". I don't remember which was the case though. Either or, take your pick.

 

[bigandy]

i need to change my underwear. and not in a good way.

 

[thequicksilver]

So you made a dumb decision about which to buy...and it's APPLE's fault? Look in the mirror, kid.

I actually agree with you that it isn't Apple's fault, but you've just made your point in such a ridiculous way that I have to pick you up on it.

You're blaming the poster for not predicting that Apple would officially sanction running Windows on the Mac. How was he supposed to know this? And how can not predicting the future correctly make his decision "dumb"?

Don't be so harsh, it's not nice.

 

[ncoffey]

Installed XP on my MacBook Pro just now. It works fine, and I installed the mac specific drivers. Pretty painless if you ask me. I'll be installing more software later when I get a chance to try out the speed of games and such.