Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

micvog said:
I agree. Look at this paragraph:

More and more people are buying and loving Macs. To make this choice simply irresistible, Apple will include technology in the next major release of Mac OS X, Leopard, that lets you install and run the Windows XP operating system on your Mac. Called Boot Camp (for now), you can download a public beta today.​

Why wouldn't Apple say "dual-boot" instead of "install and run" with Leopard, and why would it be called Boot Camp "for now"? I think this is because Leopard will allow for virtualization, and Boot Camp is merely to test Windows on Mac hardware (drivers, etc.).
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Yeah, it sounds a bit like this. If they're really getting reay for virtualization that'd be nicer but it would also mean the end of a lot of OS X software it's calls to OS specific goodies like CoreVideo/Audio, etc. and UI design would be Windows like too...
I don't necessarily see all this as a good thing.
 
WoofJoe said:
I'm in shock over the number of Mac users who are cheering this move. People, this is the end of the Mac. An OS cannot exist without developers. Apple has overnight killed OS X...perhaps intentionally.

The arguments for dual booting are weak. Mac users have survived and often thrived for years without the ability to boot Windows. Apple itself staved off death and reemerged stronger than ever without the help of Windows.

First they sold out the iPod and music store, then they sold out the PowerPC...what the hell do you people think is next? I'll tell you. They're selling out OS X!

Vista will ship on Apple hardware. You wait and see. All the developers, websites, and communities you supported and took part in will vanish.

Some 30th anniversary gift!
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If you only switched to Macs for the hardware then yes. But for the rest of us who switched for OS X then it's not going to change a thing. The only reason I would install XP on my Mac is for gaming, the rest of the time I would run it in OS X since it's a much superior OS for working in. So this isn't going to change a thing.

New switches are more likely to switch now because they know they are safe, if they don't like OS X then they can keep XP. However when they use OS X for while they won't be switching to XP very often. And Apple wins.

I don't know what you are on about.
 
I wonder if mr. gates is smiling all the way to the bank with mr. jobs....a evil plan to take over the world....theres only 5 years left!!!....hey what about linux they want in too!

Bless
 
WoofJoe said:
I'm in shock over the number of Mac users who are cheering this move. People, this is the end of the Mac. An OS cannot exist without developers. Apple has overnight killed OS X...perhaps intentionally.

The arguments for dual booting are weak. Mac users have survived and often thrived for years without the ability to boot Windows. Apple itself staved off death and reemerged stronger than ever without the help of Windows.

First they sold out the iPod and music store, then they sold out the PowerPC...what the hell do you people think is next? I'll tell you. They're selling out OS X!

Vista will ship on Apple hardware. You wait and see. All the developers, websites, and communities you supported and took part in will vanish.

Some 30th anniversary gift!
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PPl still know OS x is a superior opearting system. No way in hell will I use XP as my primary os on my mac.

This is good because I dont have to buy or have a pc in my house and the occasional times I find myself needing to use a PC.
 
Kerberos said:
Well, guess what is going to be the next move from Microsoft, which
is after all not completely stupid (should I say dumb ?) ...
They re going to release a version of Windows XP specifically tuned/optimized
for the Apple hardware :) Then they can sell Windows licences to the remaining 5 % of the population which is using Apple.
Starting today, Microsoft doesn t care anymore (if it ever did) about Apple taking market shares. An Apple hardware owner is now as good a customer to sell OS and softwares to, as a Dell or Hp or whatever.
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That is an extremely interesting way of looking at it. I would never have considered that myself and truly wonder what Microsoft's take on this is ?

On the other side, they may now be worried about people cheating and using purchased copies of XP from one computer on their MAC, thus not buying an other license for it. Let's hope they don't see this as a problem, or an other avenue of mass piracy.
 
ncoffey said:
Installed XP on my MacBook Pro just now. It works fine, and I installed the mac specific drivers. Pretty painless if you ask me. I'll be installing more software later when I get a chance to try out the speed of games and such.
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Tell us the details.
 
apple = very clever

well done. i've installed virtuall pc a while ago and never used it.
i guess for win people it's nice to tease them to apple os. :rolleyes:
 
milo said:
The BSOD is still there. You just don't see it because the new default in XP is to reboot the machine immediately on BSOD.
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Well, I don't see BSOD's nor do I see spontaneous reboots, and I administer about 40 machines here. Am I doing something wrong?

Note: I still think that Windows is crap.
 
I'm sure it's been said

Time will tell what this will do to OS X. I don't think the OS/2 comparisons are valid... there is already a robust software selection and user base for OS X. Apple makes some of the coolest apps out there (both iLife and their Pro series).... basically industry benchmarks in their respective fields.

The argument that developers won't make apps for OSX may be true, but if a seemless virtualization situation arises, I don't know if that will matter. People will be able to run whatever they want on a mac... if you want the Apple Pro Apps, Keynote, iLife, etc... get a mac. It's tough luck if you own a PC.

Is there really much difference in MS office for windows / mac? Not really. Except no Access for Mac. That problem is now solved.

Now people can buy a mac and not worry about losing their legacy windows apps, etc. My wife, for example, is starting work at a law firm. The legal industry still uses Word Perfect (for the most part)... no support for mac. Sure, she can run an old WP in classic, but that's really clunky. Now we'll simply get her an iBook / MacBook / whatever it will be called and purchase an XP disc (XP Home will be fine... she just needs it to run a stupid word processor) and she's good to go.

There are literally millions of people in my wife's situation... I think this could end up being one of the biggest turns of events in Apple's history.

Fun Times!!!

-alywa
 
shadowmoses said:
This is big big news, and has come as quite a shock to myself...I think this is good for apple in terms of market share....but in contrast they are becoming something I never thought I would see and its a bit sad to see there [sic] ability to solely run OS X lost....I STILL LOVE PPC and I wish apple would hold on:eek:

SHadOW
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To only run OS X is not an ability, at best is a characteristic. If you don't want Windows (I don't) just forget today ever happened and move on with your life.
 
Evangelion said:
OS X will remain the default OS of Macs. It takes extra effort for people to install Windows there. And OS X is STILL superior of the two. And no matter what happens, Apple is a HARDWARE-company. And this means more hardware-sales!



You call 5% market-share "thriving"?



Huh?



They replaced one architecture for a better architecture. What's wrong with that? It's not "different" enough?



Yep.... suuuurrree.
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What's wrong with 5% market share? What have we missed out on besides a few games? Haven't we all been thinking different? Isn't a minority market share combined with superior software and hardware integration the essence of the Mac market?

The move to Intel seemed fine until I realized that Apple was making no effort to protect OS X developers from the ubiquity of Windows (PPC protected OS X developers by default). So yes, it's a sellout. Apple's recent embrace of Windows proves this.

As far as the iPod and iTunes...both were undeniably sweeter when they belonged exclusively to the Mac community.

Vista shipping on Apple hardware, you wait and see.
 
ncoffey said:
Installed XP on my MacBook Pro just now. It works fine, and I installed the mac specific drivers. Pretty painless if you ask me. I'll be installing more software later when I get a chance to try out the speed of games and such.
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When I try I get the message "Boot Camp Assistant cannot be used. You must update your computer's firmware before using this setup assistant."

Yes, I had read the instructions and search apple.com/downloads for firmware beforehand. Nada. Where did you get the appropriate firmware for you MacBook Pro? Or did later shipments have the updated firmware out of the box?
 
I think alot of ppl are over reacting about this killing Apple or OS X. Apple , their teams, and marketers are all smarter than you. That is why you are the consumer.
 
don't compare it OS/2

I don't think anyone should compare this to the OS/2 situation.
OSX and Apple already has a die-hard fanbasse that are going to keep on buying both the hardware and software.
Apple also has millions of people like me who have already got years and thousnads of dollars invested in software, and I'm not quitting now.
If Apple can survive the bad periods in the 90's they have nothing to worry about.

OS/2 didn't have that.

Big difference.
 
DarkAdept said:
When I try I get the message "Boot Camp Assistant cannot be used. You must update your computer's firmware before using this setup assistant."

Yes, I had read the instructions and search apple.com/downloads for firmware beforehand. Nada. Where did you get the appropriate firmware for you MacBook Pro? Or did later shipments have the updated firmware out of the box?
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Doesn't 10.4.6 upgrade the firmware too?
 
Sam* said:
Would you be able to use a two button mouse? like a pc mouse when running windows?

Cause i bloody hate apple one button mice
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I'm sure someone else has already pointed this out, but you CAN use a multi-button mouse with the Mac. I've done that since 2001.

In fact, Apple's Mighty Mouse IS a multi-button mouse.
 
technicolor said:
I think alot of ppl are over reacting about this killing Apple or OS X. Apple , their teams, and marketers are all smarter than you. That is why you are the consumer.
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if they were all smarter, how come they only have 5% market share?
 
1. Apple switches to Intel CPUs
2. Apple allows dual-booting instead of adding some kind of "Virtual PC" to Leopard
3. Microsoft delays Vista... yet again
4. There's talks about cross-platform Vista/Leopard development tools/APIs/etc

5. ...

6. There's no "Apple Mac OS X Leopard" and no "Microsoft Windows Vista" coming, folks. There's a new Apple-Microsoft product called "Windows Leopard" coming, though.

Yes - in an effort to kill Linux, Bill has signed a deal with Steve: Windows Leopard will be Mac OS X in disguise and will run old Windows apps in Virtual PC (which they already own).

So yes, say good-bye to Mac OS X, in name. But also say good-bye to Windows for real, because only the name will be left.

Note: what you have read may or may not be facts and/or reality. But it's all technically possible. Read it with a 1Kg grain of salt.

Edit: thanks xUKHCx
 
Well, I'm coming late to this thread, but whatever. ;)

I think this is great. Sure there are going to be issues, problems, comlpaints, but they are all to be expected. No doubt some heat will be taken for the whole Windows security issue (viruses, spyware, etc.) In general though, and looking out into the future, I see this as being nothing but good for Apple. Now PC users can feel more comfortable switching to Mac, knowing they stil have their XP if need be, but after using OS X will soon find thermselves hardly needing it (or wanting to use it!) at all.

Also, this is great for pro users who use Macs, but need Windows no matter what - web developers, for instance, who need to test compatibility of their sites on Safari and IE.

And the fact that Boot Camp will be included in Leopard? Even better. I actually called this a long time ago if anyone remembers. Having Leopard have the ability to run Windows natively is a huge blow to Microsoft -just wait and see. After all, what would you rather use? Vista, a crappy version of a 2-year old OS (i.e. Tiger) or Leopard, a superior OS, which lets you run Windows as well? :cool:
 
Evangelion said:
OS X will remain the default OS of Macs. It takes extra effort for people to install Windows there. And OS X is STILL superior of the two. And no matter what happens, Apple is a HARDWARE-company. And this means more hardware-sales!



You call 5% market-share "thriving"?



Huh?



They replaced one architecture for a better architecture. What's wrong with that? It's not "different" enough?



Yep.... suuuurrree.
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Change in the right direction is hard for some people to understand, unlike you and I.
 
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