charris said:
It's decent. I don't know how good it is given that you're already paying for a keyboard and mouse that is included, anyway. It is just anupgrade and you're paying $60 for that in addition to the initial cost.
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Apple Releases Core 2 Duo iMac, Adds 24" Model
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It's decent. I don't know how good it is given that you're already paying for a keyboard and mouse that is included, anyway. It is just anupgrade and you're paying $60 for that in addition to the initial cost.
I did it... I pressed the button
IMAC 24
With the following configuration:
* Processor 0656792 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* Memory 0656474 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM 2x1GB
* Graphics Memory 0656801 NVIDIA GEFORCE 7600 GT w/256
* Hard Drive 0656438 250GB Serial ATA Drive
* Optical Drive 0656439 SuperDrive 8X (DVDRDL/CDRW)
* Modem 0656448 None
* Apple Software Solutions 0656200 None
* MAC OS Language 0656442 WL kybd, Mse and Mac OS X
IMAC 24
With the following configuration:
* Processor 0656792 2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
* Memory 0656474 2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM 2x1GB
* Graphics Memory 0656801 NVIDIA GEFORCE 7600 GT w/256
* Hard Drive 0656438 250GB Serial ATA Drive
* Optical Drive 0656439 SuperDrive 8X (DVDRDL/CDRW)
* Modem 0656448 None
* Apple Software Solutions 0656200 None
* MAC OS Language 0656442 WL kybd, Mse and Mac OS X
great just when I was about to settle for Mac Pro now this comes out.
I need macs experts give me their opinion,
For up and coming college grad who works in Graphic design.
Damm everyone I know tells me to stick with Mac Pro what sucks I already got my nice 17 wide screen lcd for my mac pro
Anyway
Post pics of those new imac being opened
I need macs experts give me their opinion,
For up and coming college grad who works in Graphic design.
Damm everyone I know tells me to stick with Mac Pro what sucks I already got my nice 17 wide screen lcd for my mac pro
Anyway
Post pics of those new imac being opened
suneohair said:
If Apple were not so anal about restricting upgrade options and form over functionality perhaps people would have bought it.
That's right.
Have you ever seen a half height AGP card? I sure as hell didn't. Who would have bought such a stupidly designed computer that is barely upgradable for.. catch this.. MORE than the PowerMac G4 back in the day?
Apple screwed up, don't try to push it onto customers.
kitki83 said:
I don't know what you should get, but the display doesn't necessarily lock you into getting a Mac Pro. Any of the iMacs can drive a second display.
Multimedia said:What were you thinking? No choice? You had the choice of waiting until school started.
You were supposed to wait until school started and gague the situation in September not buy at the beginning of summer vacation when you didn't even need it.
You better sell that system and buy the Core 2 Duo STAT.
Exactly, didn't you already own a computer?
Must you have the FASTEST computer for school? *Bork bork bork* serves you!
Sorry, but maximum power consumption of Conroe is 65W, whereas "average" power consumption of a 2.1 GHz G5 is 25W. I realize that these are not comparing the same thing, since G5 power consumption is generally reported as average instead of maximum. However, this test showed a maximum increase of 33W in power consumption from 0% to 100% processor load on a 2.1 GHz G5. So the Conroe consumes twice as much power as the G5.QCassidy352 said:
And the G5 could have been put into a laptop, just not the elegant, thin, lightweight kind that Apple likes to produce. It would have been more comparable to the heavy, thick, high-performance Windows laptops that Windows fanboys used to compare to the PowerBook to show how poorly it performed.
I'm not an expert on graphics cards, but from what I've read, most ATI graphics cards outperform equivalent NVIDIA cards on most tasks, so I'm not sure what NVIDIA card you are thinking of that outperforms the X1600 AND uses less power.
Finally, I was never suggesting that there was not a gap in Apple's product offerings, I was only saying that the Conroe is the right choice for the iMac. If you read my posts on recent threads, you will see that I agree with AidenShaw that a Conroe-based minitower may be in the works.
QCassidy352 said:
No he's not. Merom is not bad at all, and it is used in the iMac for cool and silent operation.
Quiet to some is not quiet to others. The WHOLE iMac 17" with Core Duo running 2 instances of cpu burn sucks 63W from an electrical socket. What this means, is that with the current parts the 17" iMac including display and all uses less power then the Conroe on it's own.
Conroe is a desktop part, and uses desktop chipsets (motherboards), ram, videocards. All of these will use more power then the equivalent mobile part. The end result would be a machine that emmited atleast double the heat compared to what it does now, and it would not be a trivial task to cool it down silently (considering the thin case).
I fully agree on the videocard though, I don't understand wtf they where thinking not upgrading the x1600 to even a basic 7300...
It's about the thickness of alot of desktop replacement notebooks.
Ofcourse it could, I've seen 3ghz P4's in notebooks. The matter here is ofcourse Apples standards. They have a vision on what a notebook should be like, and that includes portability, long batterylife and silent operation. They achieved that with the G4, and now with Yonah / Merom. The G5 would have performed alot better then a G4 in notebooks, but they did'nt use it because performance is just one (important) part of the equation that results in user experience.
Similarly now, they have chosen to go with Merom... And why do you think they chose that way? Surely they have access to Conroes, and I'm ready to bet they have actually tested them in an iMac. I have built silent computers, and even with a 120mm fan on a large copper heatsink the differance between cooling a 35W processor and a 65W processor is huge. Having to use other hotter components would just make matters worse.
When Apple was using G5's in the iMac, what speed where they at? What speed models where they using in the PowerMac at the time? What videocard did the iMac have? Is it possible they actually (like now) opted for using a slower processor and videocard to keep the heat levels down?
I agree, I just don't think the iMac is the correct form factor. As mentioned, people have differant perceptions on silence. The fact that the Intel 17" iMac was mentioned as the most silent "out of the box" computer silentpcreview.com has tested, tells me that Apple (like me) considers silence to be one essential feature for computers (when possible).
With a Conroe the iMac could be silent during idle, or extremly light operations (it has fairly good powersaving features), but as soon as you would create a load it would start to scream (due to the small fans in the imac)
Everyone You Know Is Right Stick With The Mac Pro
Everyone You Know Is Right Stick With The Mac Pro. You will need the higher power for graphic work.kitki83 said:
kitki83 said:
I'm no great expert, but it sounds like you (will) have professional requirements now or soon. Stick with the pro, but you're going to need more screen acreage than a 17" ws in pro graphic design jobs.
BRLawyer said:And by "powerful" I mean much more than processor speed...ain't I a great lawyer?
What do you mean by it then? Is this something like "This is the most Powerful(* desktop computer on the planet!"
* = Definition of "powerful" changes according to the whims of the commenter
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If you upgrade to the wireless mouse and keyboard I assume they don't include the standard wired ones as well?
One question about that: is it possible with wireless mouse and keyboard to control the computer as it's starting up (IE: clicking mouse button to eject disc, key combos to do target disk mode, safe mode start up, boot from cd, reset pram etc)? Or do you then need to also have a wired keyboard for those functions?
One question about that: is it possible with wireless mouse and keyboard to control the computer as it's starting up (IE: clicking mouse button to eject disc, key combos to do target disk mode, safe mode start up, boot from cd, reset pram etc)? Or do you then need to also have a wired keyboard for those functions?
I found out about this yesterday around 2pm, and I was gobsmacked. I thought the 20" looked big... that 24" is mahuuuuuuusive. Cant wait to play on that in the Apple Store
The price drops are also quite nice, £50 can go elsewhere. Oh, and it seems Apple is now supporting 2GB sticks for their ram. So you can 3Gb.... I bet when prices come down more on the 2Gb sticks, we'll get 4GB Ram total by Q1/Q2 2007.
The price drops are also quite nice, £50 can go elsewhere. Oh, and it seems Apple is now supporting 2GB sticks for their ram. So you can 3Gb.... I bet when prices come down more on the 2Gb sticks, we'll get 4GB Ram total by Q1/Q2 2007.
Willis said:I found out about this yesterday around 2pm, and I was gobsmacked. I thought the 20" looked big... that 24" is mahuuuuuuusive. Cant wait to play on that in the Apple Store
The price drops are also quite nice, £50 can go elsewhere. Oh, and it seems Apple is now supporting 2GB sticks for their ram. So you can 3Gb.... I bet when prices come down more on the 2Gb sticks, we'll get 4GB Ram total by Q1/Q2 2007.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa... Wait a minute... They started allowing the 2 gb sticks????
AidenShaw said:No. Just "Mac" will be the name of The New Form-Factor 64-bit Conroe Mini-Tower/Home-Theatre-Pizza-Box that Apple will be releasing next Tuesday.
One thing I must admit, Mr. Shaw...you have hope...and hope springs eternal...
Mini-Tower Mac = PowerBook G5
or
Mini-Tower Mac = 30th Anniversary Mac (I want to believe)
dropadrop said:
No they didn't. They tested the MBP and it wouldn't work at all. And apple even replied to artstansia (or whatever) that at the time they do not allow it
Evangelion said:
It's simpler than that...remember when Apple had that campaign called "Power to the People"?
That's exactly what I mean...the current iMac is the MOST POWERFUL AIO desktop (to make a difference with the MOST POWERFUL HEADLESS DESKTOP, the MacPro), the computer which enables me to do EVERYTHING in the BEST AND EASIEST POSSIBLE manner, with the BEST OS (or even Winblows for the brave) and the BEST suite of personal applications.
I think we can settle this argument right now, can't we?