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Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro
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Will 4200rpm 200GB HD Capture DV Video Without Frame Drop Outs?
OK we get it. You understand bit density. What we need to know is if the 4200rpm 200GB drives can capture video without any frame drop outs. Do you know that?ChrisA said:
milo said:
Thank you Milo, for this link.
However the price between the models has not changed. It is only that now you get so much more for your money. Or is it the price difference between the current refurb-prices that they use now?
ChrisA said:
This is nonsense. There are a lot of factors that go into drive performance, but to say that RPM isn't relevant is just stupidity. There is absolutely no way that a 4200RPM 200GB drive will outpeform at 7200RPM 100GB drive. If you believe that it will, try it out for yourself, or check every benchmark done on hard drives for the last 15 years.
RPM is hugely important to drive performance. Of course, there are other factors like density, access time, etc, but at the end of the day a higher RPM drive will almost always outperform a lower RPM drive. That's an fact - pretty tough to argue.
just ordered
just got back from my uni store, the guys at the store were like 'what upgrade' and got excited rushed onto to the online apple store to order the base model for me(edu discount). prob gonna upgrade the ram sometime. reading the forum for the last month i am so glad the wait is over. No more reading forums from me from this laptop(3 year toshiba which sounds like a harley)
...core 2 duo finally...
cheers
(will post the performance, heat, noise issues when i get it)
MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.16 (waiting for delivery)
just got back from my uni store, the guys at the store were like 'what upgrade' and got excited rushed onto to the online apple store to order the base model for me(edu discount). prob gonna upgrade the ram sometime. reading the forum for the last month i am so glad the wait is over. No more reading forums from me from this laptop(3 year toshiba which sounds like a harley)
...core 2 duo finally...cheers
(will post the performance, heat, noise issues when i get it)
MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.16 (waiting for delivery)
Question about upgrading Memory and HD
I'm going to purchase one of the new MBP's and am interested in purchasing a new C2D MBP. I had previously looked at the other MBP and was going to upgrade the hard drive to a 120. As well, I was going to upgrade the memory to 2GB. Now 1GB is standard and as well the 120 is standard. Well now I want to go to a 160. I know there's a 200 but I don't want to have that decrease in speed. I didn't even know 200's were available. As for the upgrades, is it cheaper for me to buy the stock unit and do the upgrades on my own or am I better off just buying from Apple and getting it with 2gb and the 160 gig hard drive? How hard is it to do these upgrades?
Mark Weigl
(720)937-6700
mweigl@avcdistributor.com
Apple Business Agent AA071951
I'm going to purchase one of the new MBP's and am interested in purchasing a new C2D MBP. I had previously looked at the other MBP and was going to upgrade the hard drive to a 120. As well, I was going to upgrade the memory to 2GB. Now 1GB is standard and as well the 120 is standard. Well now I want to go to a 160. I know there's a 200 but I don't want to have that decrease in speed. I didn't even know 200's were available. As for the upgrades, is it cheaper for me to buy the stock unit and do the upgrades on my own or am I better off just buying from Apple and getting it with 2gb and the 160 gig hard drive? How hard is it to do these upgrades?
Mark Weigl
(720)937-6700
mweigl@avcdistributor.com
Apple Business Agent AA071951
countach said:
WOW you're right
:* 15" MacBook Pro, 2.16GHz Core 2 Duo
* 2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
* 120GB Serial ATA drive (5400rpm)
* MacBook Pro 15-inch Widescreen Display
* Backlit Keyboard (English) & Mac OS (English)
* SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
£1469
* 13" Black MacBook, 2GHz Core Duo
* 2GB 667 DDR2 - 2x1GB SO-DIMMs
* 120GB Serial ATA drive
* Keyboard & Mac OS
* 13.3-inch TFT display
* SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
* AirPort Extreme
* Bluetooth 2.0
* Power Adapter
* Battery
£1519
bodeh6 said:
those who bought in august should have known they were coming with new models, apple hadnt come with a new model, aside from 17" update, since the macbook pro introduction. That said, the new model isnt a huge drastic change, so be happy with your MBP, my brother has one, loves it.
Now, I just ordered a new MBP
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-2x1GB
160GB Serial ATA Drive@5400rpm
15" Widescreen Display Matte
Apple USB Modem
& Airplane power adapter.
Estimated ship Oct 31, 2006
Estimated Delivery Nov 3, 2006
I am very happy
CPTMONK said:
If you do alot of video editing you should know the answer. Uncompressed 10-bit will lag on 5400rpm. Other than that, 5400 is fine, even for something like hdv or uncompressed 8-bit. You aren't capturing to your system drive, eh?
Better Choice - 2.16GHz/160GB HD No Question
The Former, no question.daneoni said:
You will miss that extra 40GB of internal HD space more than you will notice the difference in processor speed - especially if you are going to run XP or Vista on it as well. Even though it rotates slower - i.e. cooler - the 160 will perform as well as the 120 due to higher bit density in the 160.clintob said:
Spring 2007
That would be next Spring sir.4np said:all very nice indeed; but where is that ATI Radeon Mobility X1800?
reflex said:
It's not: Consider the 160GB 5400 RPM SATA drive from NewEgg.com. Then sell your "old" drive on eBay for $90-$120 or buy an ext'l case and have a backup drive for TimeMachine
*bows* Athankew, athankew.
-Clive
Multimedia said:
It shows that Apple pays attention to the customer base. So many people were opting for the cheapest RAM option so that they could put in 2GB bought elsewhere. By offering these new RAM configs, Apple has essentially given the customer what they want, but also eliminated the third party from the equation, meaning higher profit for them. Some will still go and buy a second 1GB stick elsewhere to put into that base 15" model, but IMO isn't worth the $25 to $45 you might save.
Yeah, that caught my eye. I didn't buy it, but I'll take a look at them at the store before I go on my next plane trip.
I'm assuming there are some minor changes under the hood, but I'm not going to open mine up to find out since I don't need to swap the HDD. As for the FW800, it's a nice addition, but something that should have been there in the first place. The lack of FW800 and that I was tired of lugging around a 17" and didn't want another one is what kept me from buying an MBP months ago.
According to the few limited benchmarks I've seen, it's not that great. For large reads/writes, continuous streams, it's about 60% faster than an 80GB 4200rpm drive. Access times and small file or randomized R/W are on par with the 5400rpm 60GB. So I guess it's OK if you really need the capacity, but you'll get a much better performing drive out of the 160GB, which is the fastest HDD available right now when comparing across the board. The 7200rpm 100GB still is champ when it comes to seek times, but that's only part of the equation. Hopefully Apple is using the Hitachi 160GB as it is a bit faster than the Seagate model. But I'm willing to bet they use both models to fill demand and it's luck of the draw as to which one a buyer gets.
Yeah... The lack of HD bay is acceptable since they're up current with HD offerings and prices aren't too far out of line. At least the $90 upgrade to 160GB isn't necessary, but if you do (like I did), it's still a fair deal when considering the time and risk involved in swapping the HD for an aftermarket one.
I would have bought the 17" MBP even though it's a bit too big if it had a 1920x1200 screen. I would have like to have seen that along with 1680x1050 at the 15" size... Oh well. My old 17" HP that I replaced was 1440x900 so I'm not missing out on any screen resolution from that and I'm trimming a bit off the overal size and weight.
markw10 said:
better to get midpriced model. 2gb ram, and option of 160GB hard drive. have it all covered by applecare.
if anything goes wrong with a user modded laptop, harder to replace or repair under warranty.
clintob said:
No, the external drive will always be slower, so you'd prefer to keep the media files on an internal drive. Use the external drive for backup.
MacBook VS MacBook Pro
I have read all the "what about the C2D MacBook?" posts and, well, if both the MB and MBP's have C2Ds, then the only differentiation between them would be RAM, HD, enclosure and video. I see these two models as being general consumer and professional. I think that the MB's should stay CD and push the pricing down some. If a user wants/needs more performance, then move up to a MBP. Does it make sense to have the fastest processing power in a "cheapie" case?
Yes, there is a missing model here - the 12"/13" professional model.
Is there really room in the product line for all of these?
- consumer MB - 13", CoreDual, $1099
- high end MB - 13", C3D, 100GB, black case, $1699 ???
[which also serves as the small form factor professional machine]
- professional MBP's: 15" & 17", C2D, $1999
I have read all the "what about the C2D MacBook?" posts and, well, if both the MB and MBP's have C2Ds, then the only differentiation between them would be RAM, HD, enclosure and video. I see these two models as being general consumer and professional. I think that the MB's should stay CD and push the pricing down some. If a user wants/needs more performance, then move up to a MBP. Does it make sense to have the fastest processing power in a "cheapie" case?
Yes, there is a missing model here - the 12"/13" professional model.
Is there really room in the product line for all of these?
- consumer MB - 13", CoreDual, $1099
- high end MB - 13", C3D, 100GB, black case, $1699 ???
[which also serves as the small form factor professional machine]
- professional MBP's: 15" & 17", C2D, $1999