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Apple Releases Employee Diversity Report, 7 out of 10 Workers Are Male, 55% White
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How does anything you've posted thus far work as a reply to anything I've said? My response to AdonisSMU was more about personal feelings framed around racial issues, and all you're doing is talking at me in a very nonspecific accusatory sorta way.
And I know all about urban reality, man. I owned The Chronic in high school. |m|
If I'm accusing you of anything, it's that your personal feelings are inadequately informed. The only people who have ever accused me of being racist to my face have been White people (I am White). That tells me something: it is White apologists who perpetuate both tokenization and multiculturalism. In reality, I have only been the victim of racism directed at me by blacks, in Richmond, California, a ghetto city where I grew up, and in New York City, where I live. So you apologist liberal Whites force me in between a rock and a hard place: On the one hand you call me a racist, which I have never been (although many blacks claim that all Whites are racist by nature, which is a ludicrous concept in itself, and probably applies more to themselves), while on the other hand blacks actively practice hateful racism against me and other Whites (my White Puerto Rican friend in New York was victimised by the "knock-out game").
Then, when I dare to relay my unfortunate experiences and empirical knowledge on forums like this, I am censored by moderators, subjected to irrational attacks by blacks who accuse me of racism and hatred, while they are the ones doing the hating, and sabotaged by inexperienced White suburbanites spewing irrelevant liberal rhetoric against me.
Thank you. We are a clever bunch aren't we. As for laziness I'd say the individual had the foresight to seek the information out by means open to them to reinforce the same point or statement they intended to make. They saved time and were enabled to be more productive potentially with other things as a result. #
Again, you ignore the data. There was no research involved, nor any seeking of information. Yes, you British are obsessed with appearing clever, as your nauseatingly endless sarcasm betrays, and it is to mask your profound disappointment at having become slaves in your own county to the Crown Corporation - beginning with the establishment of the Bank of England in 1694, and continuing on into the current nanny-state socialist dependency in which you find yourselves now trapped. You live in a gulag and claim it has something to do with (blame?) us stupid, fat, crass, brash Americans - but it is a prison of your own making. Australians may have inherited much of your vileness, but at least they have the common sense to call you Prisoners of Mother England: POMs.
Oh no... Not this social justice warrior ***** again?
The hiring pool Apple and other Silicon Valley companies have to tend with is so male dominated even figures like this look like there's an institutional gender bias favoring women. Women aren't inferior to men in mathematics or engineering activities, so there's no real reason why more women couldn't get an education in those fields. What any sane person would take from this is that women simply aren't interested in mathematics or engineering to the same extent and thus the blame really lies with women themselves. However we live in a society where it is no longer acceptable to blame a group itself for causing an issue relating to them. It's always got to be an external group and if it can be men or whites, all the better.
I remember reading that back in the 80's, when genuine sexism was generally more prevalent, something like 32% of people who received a degree in Computer Science were women, but a couple of years ago this figure had gone down to 14%. With figures like this it's no wonder that you have numbers like that.
Another thing that grinds my gears is that asians for some reason don't factor in as diversity. When you look at college enrollment asians are MAJORLY overrepresented compared to their share of the general population. Jewish are also overrepresented the same way, but you could make the argument that they fall under "white" as a lot of them have quite a lot of european heritage as well.
The hiring pool Apple and other Silicon Valley companies have to tend with is so male dominated even figures like this look like there's an institutional gender bias favoring women. Women aren't inferior to men in mathematics or engineering activities, so there's no real reason why more women couldn't get an education in those fields. What any sane person would take from this is that women simply aren't interested in mathematics or engineering to the same extent and thus the blame really lies with women themselves. However we live in a society where it is no longer acceptable to blame a group itself for causing an issue relating to them. It's always got to be an external group and if it can be men or whites, all the better.
I remember reading that back in the 80's, when genuine sexism was generally more prevalent, something like 32% of people who received a degree in Computer Science were women, but a couple of years ago this figure had gone down to 14%. With figures like this it's no wonder that you have numbers like that.
Another thing that grinds my gears is that asians for some reason don't factor in as diversity. When you look at college enrollment asians are MAJORLY overrepresented compared to their share of the general population. Jewish are also overrepresented the same way, but you could make the argument that they fall under "white" as a lot of them have quite a lot of european heritage as well.
If you really are in Finland, and you really are a feminist, then your opinion is irrelevant, and any rational White male will immediately recognize that sad fact. If Finland is anything like other Scandinavian countries, you have institutional and legalized discrimination against White males in total favor of females and "ethnic minorities". Your post is oxymoronic in an important way: you advocate for women's "rights" while spewing anti-Semitic false information about Jews being "over-represented" in the workplace. Your embarrassing lack of logic is testimony to the failings of feminism.
Are you suggesting you'd like to have affirmative action protecting white students against all those bazillions of brainy (over-represented) and qualified Asians?
If they (Asians or Jewish students) were qualified and smart enough to be there, then why are you complaining? Most likely the vast majority of them were the best qualified to be inside that university. Maybe time to blame the US Education system and its education-hostile culture, because as I've found out from my Asian friends, their families place education and academics as the most important thing in their lives. Don't blame them for being smart. Don't blame them if they are qualified. Don't blame them because they studied hard and so they got better grades than most white friends that you know. Their parents forced them to study all the time, rather than sit in front of the PS3/Xbox and play games all day or go out with girlfriends. And don't blame the university for admitting the best qualified students (which in this example means tons and tons of Asians that you are seeing on campus).
They are admitted because they had the grades and academic qualifications. US Affirmative Action typically does not cover or favor Asians.
Affirmative action, if it's still in use in some campuses, are targeted to blacks, hispanics, and maybe native americans, etc.
Eh? Is this supposed to be written in some kind of ironical fashion or are you actually being serious? Because I wrote that as something going against the whole "companies are sexist in their hiring practices" thing these "reports" are trying to claim.
That's strictly speaking not true...
While IQ may not be very good test for overall intelligence as it's a test in mathematical pattern recognition, it is a pretty good test for mathematical aptitude. When you look at IQ tests in places like the U.S where you have multiple races growing up in the same kind of environment and divide the data by race, you generally find that the average black score is the lowest, the average asian score is the highest and the average white score is in the middle.
Another point you seem to refuse to recognize is that racial differences are more than skin deep. There's not just what I just mentioned, there's also a lot of biochemical differences in how the body works. Part of the reason why trials for new drugs are so extensive is that new compounds in those drugs can react very differently in the bodies of patients with different racial backgrounds.
If you want a really clear and observable quirk in a specific race, there's something called "Asian Flush" (or "Alcohol Flush Reaction") which is caused by a genetic mutation which about half the east-asian population is carrying. The mutation in question leads to the liver not being able to process alcohol properly and producing something called acetaldehyde. The effect of this is that those affected by this is that their faces turn red, they become really giggly and eventually they start feeling really ill.
If you watch a lot of anime you may have noticed that when characters get drunk, they exhibit basically the same symptoms, thou the redness is generally just drawn as two oval shapes under their eyes. An interesting side note is that they generally don't seem to understand that this extremely rare in non-asians so even characters that are clearly indicated as not-asians also get the flush when they're drunk.
I wasn't talking about affirmative action or anything of the sort. We've never even had anything like it here in Finland. Those that get accepted into higher education are just those who fare the best at the entrance exams.
If there's anything you should take away from that part of the post is that it seems to be ok to complain about whites being overrepresented, but apparently complaining about asians and jewish being overrepresented isn't acceptable and they don't seem to fall into "minorities" in the "whites vs minorities" figures.
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From reading your posts on this thread, I think that you lash out at the British, or Feminists, Liberials, and people of colour, because your life didnt turn out like you had hoped for, and you need someone to blame.
Maybe just maybe the problem is you.
Please clarify for me: Are you for or against Affirmative Action? I am opposed to it.
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From reading your posts on this thread, I think that you lash out at the British, or Feminists, Liberials, and people of colour, because your life didnt turn out like you had hoped for, and you need someone to blame.
Maybe just maybe the problem is you.
That old canard. You are new to this aren't you? Do you have mommy issues? or more likely daddy issues.
No, to answer your inane accusation, I am not arguing my points for selfish reasons. I am arguing them because I am a defender of Reason. Your post indicates you are in the Netherlands, and by your politics I would hazard to guess that you are either 1) a self-loathing White liberal, or 2) a White-European-hating immigrant. Either way, your prefab opinions are passé in both Europe and America. Perhaps you should move to Brussels and convert to its new state religion - or are you already a member?
It's sad to see the once great Apple descending into mediocrity.
I used to love MacRumors now I find it painful and I'm trying to stop visiting the site. Oh well, Apple had its day - can't depend on it forever.
I want to thank the moderators for not censoring my posts in this thread.
I used to love MacRumors now I find it painful and I'm trying to stop visiting the site. Oh well, Apple had its day - can't depend on it forever.
I want to thank the moderators for not censoring my posts in this thread.
Definitely against it... I don't know how you could interpret that I'd be for it.
My guess is that you saw that I was from a scandinavian country (thou technically Finland isn't geographically scandinavian and Finnish isn't part of the scandinavian, or indo-european, language family) and then just assumed I stood for the way things are in Sweden. Don't generalize the whole region based one country that has taken the whole tolerance and inequality-as-equality thing too far and then even further (they've literally abolished special ed as it's "unequal" because kids of immigrants are overrepresented in it).
Then please excuse my ignorance. I must not have read your post thoroughly enough.
I just visited Oslo and was shocked to see that it now has a large Somali ghetto! The term being floated around right now is White genocide to refer to the replacement-level immigration which White countries are suffering - beginning of course with the United States in the 1950s, but now having extended to the entirety of Western Europe, North America, and Australia / New Zealand. They are now working on Japan, in an attempt to convince the Japanese that they are guilty of discrimination, hatred, and past crimes against the Koreans and other minorities.
The worst part of the situation is -- and I just realized this the other day during my visit to Norway -- is that we (first-worlders) are becoming them (third-worlders) - with all of the hyper-competition for resources and land that that entails. It's the scariest thought I've every had: No longer do we Westerners (Whites) have our own space! And this space - Europe, North America, etc., - is labelled as "White privilege" by those working against us. A homeland is not a "privilege", and anyone who thinks that it is a "privilege" is hellbent on suicide - or wants the land for themselves. Right is seized, and cannot be given. Socialist multiculturalists appear to have no concept -- or even the capacity -- to comprehend that sovereignty exists, and that it can never be conferred. Entitlement is slavery. Socialism is an ideal which in the real world is invariably co-opted at the top by violent powermongers who brainwash their victims into cowering in defeat. This is what leftists and multiculturalists refuse to understand: In order to be entitled, someone has to entitle you, and you are therefore subjected to their entitlement - in other words: You are their slave.
Affirmative Action is levied by some entity somewhere. That is where the real power lies. So long as a person is dependent on being tokenized and reliant on quotas, they are dependent - not independent. Who are they dependent on? The authority which usurps their sovereignty.
Fortunately this whole debacle is dependent on wealth, and American wealth is wasting away, so this debate will see its natural end one way or another, and I will no longer have to spend my time concerning myself with it.
Don´t be so short visioned! As if there´s usually only one "best" person for a job.
If there hadn´t been diversification efforts during the last decades, there´d be 99% male whites working at Apple and we´d never get to know about other different looking, maybe female people who are as qualified as the majority.
People tend to hire people similar to themselves, so it is good to have regulation.
You win the prize for revealing the true insanity behind Affirmative Action quotas!! Let me get this straight: 1) it's wrong to have White males working in a given company, 2) people's looks are relevant (isn't that Nazism?), 3) you want a female majority? (Why?), 4) people should be regulated and forced to only hire people who are different from themselves? How should they be different? Should some of them have long hair, and some of them long fingernails?
You people work against yourselves. You are your own worst enemy. And you have destroyed the West.
The Moderators are surely busy on another thread, as you clearly have insulted and directed personal attacks at multiple posters on this thread alone. Consider yourself lucky, they are giving you a free pass today.
After all, you are the same poster who said in the post above this one:
and my favorite among your numerous personal attacks, was this one:
You really need to reign in your disdain for Europeans et al. There is a large percentage of non-Americans that are regulars on MacRumors. They are just as much a part of the Apple userbase/fanbase/community as we Americans are.
Could you cite an Affirmative Action quota on the federal level?
I believe you'll have a very hard time finding one.
The program does not work as you believe it does.
You seem to think you know more than you do. From Wikipedia:
"Affirmative action or positive discrimination (known as employment equity in Canada, reservation in India, and positive action in the UK) is the policy of providing special opportunities for, and favoring members of, a disadvantaged group who suffer from discrimination.
The nature of positive discrimination policies varies from region to region. Some countries, such as India, use a quota system, whereby a certain percentage of jobs or school vacancies must be set aside for members of a certain group. In some other regions, specific quotas do not exist; instead, members of minorities are given preference in selection processes."
I love that they use the term "positive" to describe discrimination against White males, while discrimination against everyone else is criminalized.
Yes and no. Unless I'm far and away more qualified than the next guy most companies won't even bother. Even after you do get the job people in the company will treat you like your stupid even if you're better at their job than they are.
Even in college in any calc and programming class I was in, there wasn't a single person of any race scoring higher on tests and writing cleaner code than I was. I would still get treated like the dumb one or overlooked when a teacher was looking for a right answer. It used to frustrate me sooo much.
Strangely enough the English Comp professor challenged me in front of a whole class and tried to make me seem like I was stupid. She polled the whole class and everyone agreed with her. Then she opened her manual to PROVE she was right. The only problem is that the manual stated exactly what I had already been saying.
I went to drop the class immediately after that. However, the dean begged me not to drop the course. I still ended up with an A in the class but the teacher never gave me higher than a B on anything.
At the end of the day is that if as a group if your focus is on being good at sports or being good at programming, then you all will wind up maybe being better suited for that type of job as a group. Another part of the reason there are so many black athletes can be attributed to slavery. It was survival of the fittest at its finest. People tend to think of it as just a physical matter but it's also mental.
I believe black people being good at sports is because they've been taught that it's the way out of the hood. My parents taught me that education is the way out of the hood. If black people spent as much time on Math and Science as they did playing sports they'd be just as likely to be good at it as anyone else.
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According to your logic, Whites, Blacks AND Hispanics are all under-represented. Additionally, there is a flaw in your math (and reading), as 9% refused to answer (you count them as non-White).
I see you are trying to make some point about one particular race; but you really need to read all the facts and work out the math to be objective.
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"Affirmative Action" in caps is a proper name, and refers specifically to the USA. Other programs exist in other countries and have other names. He asked specifically if someone could identify quotas at the federal level for Affirmative Action. You responded with some business about India. India and the USA do not have the same laws.
Finland is pretty conservative compared to Sweden WRT feminism and "equal rights". And at least 15% of Finns (or even more - I'm just referring to the election result of "Perussuomalaiset", but I could easily add the other, for most voters, also-conservative 12-15% party "Keskusta" to these figures) want to stay away from the model prevalent in Sweden.
I promised I wasn't going to respond to the racist and xenophobic posts but here I am.
From Wikipedia, same article you posted
Law regarding quotas and affirmative action varies widely from nation to nation. Caste based quotas are used in Reservation in India. However, they are illegal in the United States, where no employer, university, or other entity may create a set number required for each race.[10]
They want to please (ultra-)leftish / liberal people? With right-wing people, they will have exactly the opposite (alienating) effect, which is also clearly proved in this #.