Apple Releases Employee Diversity Report, 7 out of 10 Workers Are Male, 55% White

"We are making progress, and we’re committed to being as innovative in advancing diversity as we are in developing our products."

What does this mean? Does it mean they just discriminate against anyone who won't help their numbers?
 
I'm not saying that racism against whites is not a problem and I feel the pain of anyone of any race that goes through racism. But to say White America faces the same racist hatred as Black America is laughable. Don't compare the size of a pea to a watermelon.

Watermelon, huh? That's code talk. Why'd you say watermelon? Huh? Huh?!
 
You don't want a bigot running hiring or a team, this is not a political thing (what a strange comment you have made). You also don't want to artificially hire folks to meet a hiring metric, which is the point you seem to have whiffed over. The resume population usually dictates the diversity and should not be forced to align to political ideals.

You liberals never get anything.
 
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I'm really unsure why Apple published the report other than some sort of PC-religion self-flagellation. It's one thing if a company has a history of intentional discrimination and needs to show the public or governement they have reformed. But Apple, I don't believe, has such a history.

If Apple wants to make a concerted effort to hire more females or minorities in the future (first they have to find them because they are not exactly flooding out of computer engineering lecture halls on campuses) great, but just do it. Don't publish a grandstanding report that says you hire good people BUT unfortunately too many are men or white. What a morale killer this must be if you are an Apple employee -- they like you but wish you had a different skin color or genitals for public appearances.

Even better why not establish scholarships for the underrepresented in engineering schools and guarantee those winners a job after graduation. Now that's putting money where your mouth is.

I hate when people use "Steve wouldn't have" but in this case I think Steve wouldn't have released this data. I don't think Steve was as politically correct as Tim is.
 
I really don't like posting in PRSI and I avoid it, but having said that:

I was a hiring manager for a Fortune 50-sized company. That means I hired people to work on my team.

I didn't do the recruiting; there was a separate recruiting department for that.

When I'd have a open spot, I'd send the requirements to the recruiter assigned to me.

The recruiter would do the first pass at thinning the CVs and apps down to a manageable set. This is typically helpful as you can (and will) get thousands of people applying for attractive jobs, but most aren't anywhere near qualified ("I was a baker, but I'm looking to break into nuclear physics").

The company was extremely sensitive to diversity. I'm not sure, but I do wonder if they had been sued for discrimination at some point.

Here's the rub: the recruiters would push "diversity" candidates very strongly. They would also hint very strongly that I would be "getting credit" for selecting a diversity candidate.

Indeed, on more than one occasion, I'd be told that "this candidate is both female and a minority - double bonus on this one!" (One can imagine the triple and even quadruple bonus scenarios, they did exist)

Any mention of past experience, skill set? Nope. Wasn't material for them.

To be clear, if they had the qualifications and skill set needed, I had no worries at all at hiring a "double bonus" person. But qualifications come first. Having said that, I did have some Chinese women on my team that totally kicked butt, I would have cloned them if that were an option. I also inherited a quadriplegic during a departmental shift, he did a great job while he was around (RIP).

I'm not sure everyone that was a hiring manager had the same outlook as I did, we became weighed down with a lot of clueless people (both "diversity" and not) and Steve Job's "Bozo factor" started it's corrosive action.

The company is no longer Fortune 50 sized, it's down in the 300 range and headed even lower. Not all of this is due to the Bozo factor, but some of it is.
 
They should have a question on their forms: "Do you speak fluent, clear, unbroken, comprehensible English?" "Is English your first language?"

So often I encounter sales people that I cannot understand or have difficulty communicating with simply because of a clear language barrier or a lack of command of the English language. Command of the English language needs to not only be preferred, but a requirement of all workers at a company like Apple, dealing with people from all backgrounds in the US here on a daily basis.

Only if they're salespeople. If not, perhaps they only need a strong grasp of the C programming language.
 
Someone refresh my memory. Did we have this crap with Steve Jobs at the helm? All I remember was the environmenalist stuff (which I always thought was a bit hypocritical because unless you make computers and phones out of dirt, you will still hurt the environment).

It seems like with Tim Cook, Apple keeps drifting off into things that really have nothing to do with making great iProducts. Sadly, I can see myself leaving Apple behind if this continues.

Let me see if I've got this. You are saying you can see yourself as a consumer leaving Apple's ecosystem because they're releasing information related to the diversity inside the company, and because the CEO is saying he wants a diverse group of people working on developing products.

Is that correct? I've tried to represent your views as I see them, so let me know if I've misunderstood something.

Now, to reply, I'd say that them releasing this information is simple transparency. Every company with an HR department has access to statistics like this, Apple is just telling us what they are. I find it refreshing. I want transparency on the business side of things, even if I'd rather the product pipeline stay hidden.

As for Cook's statement, all I see him saying there is that Apple is trying to hire from a diverse set of backgrounds so that no bobcat who is on the product development team, the marketing team, or the sales team that gets you your devices, there's probably somebody there who has a similar background to you. I don't see that detracting from the product development cycle. In fact, I see that possibly resulting in some features that fit my needs better than they otherwise might.

So it seems like an all around good thing, to me. Your thoughts?
 
americans are so weird about that ... the first time I had to fill out the form to fly to the US I was so confused by the question "Are you white, black, latin american, asian ..." like wtf? what does it matter.
This. Even the word "race" is pretty frowned upon here in Germany. I know we have a very special situation with this here, but damn, if I had to fill a form with a question like that I'd probably call the Verfassungsschutz.
 
Tomato Tamato.

Here in mexico the (vast) major races are indigenous, european descent (caucasian) and mixed between the two. We are all mexican's, but those are the races of the vast majority. Hispanic is not a race, we are not all of the same race and people that try to claim it is are denying us our real race.
 
americans are so weird about that ... the first time I had to fill out the form to fly to the US I was so confused by the question "Are you white, black, latin american, asian ..." like wtf? what does it matter.

How else is someone going to gather the data to create diversity reports?
 
Reverse discrimination? That would mean no discrimination, right? Since discrimination refers to the act of and nothing to do with which skin color.

Sorry - I hadn't noticed that you are in Mexico. In America, we have laws which prohibit companies from discriminating against minorities, women, people of color, and those who prefer specific genders. Those same laws work by default to discriminate against White males.
 
americans are so weird about that ... the first time I had to fill out the form to fly to the US I was so confused by the question "Are you white, black, latin american, asian ..." like wtf? what does it matter.

Yeah, it's stupid. California banned public schools from asking that question. If it doesn't matter, I usually put the wrong one just to be annoying.
 
I agree that the best of the best should be hired, but there's a lot of advantages whites have over other minorities in the work field (including privilege, education, socio-economic background, and opportunity). There are some minorities that simply won't have the opportunity to become the best at their field simply because of their race.

You are talking about economic class based problems. There are poor white people too and many will never get a leg up because of their lack of formal education and marketable skills. I agree that something needs to be done to fix that, but its not a problem that is limited to minorities.
 
I disagree with Tim's statement that they need to change, or "need improving". If you purposely hunt for others to balance your numbers that's positive discrimination and just as bad as any other forms of discrimination.

If those are the numbers that have come about because those people are the best people for the jobs, so what?

"Positive discrimination"? What perchance could that be? You mean: Discrimination against White males.
 
My question is what if there was a white candidate and a black candidate for a position; they have identical, literally identical portfolios, and if quotas were not taken into account, who would be picked for the job?
 
This is a very out there theory, but I believe awkward white men have the most power in the tech economy mainly for their awkwardness. The kids who grew up afraid of socializing, had far more time to spend behind a computer and commit more time than people with social lives. All of those years add up to thousands and thousands of hours more than the typical person with a normal social life. I speak from experience. Compare that to women, that's a much rarer experience for them. I think it has to do with the gender roles where if you're a girl, you generally get invited out without having to do much work. If you're generally more sociable and thus not relegated to nerdy activities, such as programming. As women start entering the tech space because it losses it's identity as being for weirdos, the actual weirdos with no social lives will move on to something else and probably be first to that party too.

The social isolation among middle income white males is a very fascinating issue to me. I think it creates an extreme range of outcomes (from starting a giant tech company to going on a shooting spree). Whereas people who are more 'neurotypical' probably won't go on a rampage, but probably won't create a billion dollar company either.

You're theory doesn't take into account the contemporary notion of a "normal social life" which was essentially invented in the 1950s. In other words, cocktail parties had a time and place.
 
"We are making progress, and we’re committed to being as innovative in advancing diversity as we are in developing our products."

What does this mean? Does it mean they just discriminate against anyone who won't help their numbers?

Does this mean Apple is going to replace Cook with a black female, or does him being a gay man mean he's safe?
 
My question is what if there was a white candidate and a black candidate for a position; they have identical, literally identical portfolios, and if quotas were not taken into account, who would be picked for the job?

Ahem, the white guy, ahem.
 
White people are doing the absolute most in these comments.

I agree that the best of the best should be hired, but there's a lot of advantages whites have over other minorities in the work field (including privilege, education, socio-economic background, and opportunity). There are some minorities that simply won't have the opportunity to become the best at their field simply because of their race.

This article isn't saying Apple has a quota of minorities to hire, it's saying that they want more minorities represented within the company. And to foster that change we need to start from the ground up, and that is providing equal opportunity and education for all at a young age. So they can get to the point where they are the best of the best in the future.

Actually, by legal definition, everyone except for heterosexual White males is privileged by affirmative action and non-discrimination policies.

And how do you know what color the posters in this forum might be? Do you have intel I don't? And so what if they are White? Would you be against them for being White? Wouldn't that make you racist?
 
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