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Apple Releases Employee Diversity Report, 7 out of 10 Workers Are Male, 55% White
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Good for Apple. And shining a light on the data instead of burying it is a first step. (Tackling the early stages of education and childhood attitudes may be the most vital in the long run. And having role models today is part of that.)
For all the poor, downtrodden white males (hmmm... like me), please note that Apple didn't say the solution was to apply unfair discrimination to favor minorities
Maybe--just maybe--there are are under-utilized talented non-white-males out there if the effort is made to find them.
(Or do you think the networking, educational, financial and geographical opportunities are exactly the same for them as us conquerors, and there ARE no barriers in the way of highly-skilled minorities? Tell that to my friend who won awards at her job and yet was fired this morning for her skin color. Of course it took them a while to find a way to make it happen under a made-up excuse, but they did.)
Less parroting ignorance, more building a better society--and Apple--please.
For all the poor, downtrodden white males (hmmm... like me), please note that Apple didn't say the solution was to apply unfair discrimination to favor minorities
Maybe--just maybe--there are are under-utilized talented non-white-males out there if the effort is made to find them. (Or do you think the networking, educational, financial and geographical opportunities are exactly the same for them as us conquerors, and there ARE no barriers in the way of highly-skilled minorities? Tell that to my friend who won awards at her job and yet was fired this morning for her skin color. Of course it took them a while to find a way to make it happen under a made-up excuse, but they did.)
Less parroting ignorance, more building a better society--and Apple--please.
Wait a second, who's the sexist here? You want women executives simply because they are women?
Someone refresh my memory. Did we have this crap with Steve Jobs at the helm? All I remember was the environmenalist stuff (which I always thought was a bit hypocritical because unless you make computers and phones out of dirt, you will still hurt the environment).
It seems like with Tim Cook, Apple keeps drifting off into things that really have nothing to do with making great iProducts. Sadly, I can see myself leaving Apple behind if this continues.
It seems like with Tim Cook, Apple keeps drifting off into things that really have nothing to do with making great iProducts. Sadly, I can see myself leaving Apple behind if this continues.
I'm really unsure why Apple published the report other than some sort of PC-religion self-flagellation. It's one thing if a company has a history of intentional discrimination and needs to show the public or governement they have reformed. But Apple, I don't believe, has such a history.
If Apple wants to make a concerted effort to hire more females or minorities in the future (first they have to find them because they are not exactly flooding out of computer engineering lecture halls on campuses) great, but just do it. Don't publish a grandstanding report that says you hire good people BUT unfortunately too many are men or white. What a morale killer this must be if you are an Apple employee -- they like you but wish you had a different skin color or genitals for public appearances.
Even better why not establish scholarships for the underrepresented in engineering schools and guarantee those winners a job after graduation. Now that's putting money where your mouth is.
If Apple wants to make a concerted effort to hire more females or minorities in the future (first they have to find them because they are not exactly flooding out of computer engineering lecture halls on campuses) great, but just do it. Don't publish a grandstanding report that says you hire good people BUT unfortunately too many are men or white. What a morale killer this must be if you are an Apple employee -- they like you but wish you had a different skin color or genitals for public appearances.
Even better why not establish scholarships for the underrepresented in engineering schools and guarantee those winners a job after graduation. Now that's putting money where your mouth is.
That's true. If you want some more truth, I used to rent a room from a guy in San Francisco who used to drive male prostitutes to one of the founders of Apple, and it wasn't Steve Jobs. Who cares? People have sex with people, would you have it otherwise?
55% white is no surprise and not much out of whack with the us population. the problem would be more with the 70/30 male female. but same thing, not totally out of whack considering it's more of a male nerd industry.
Going by many posts on MacRumors, I'd say there is little correlation between the two.
The first question excludes lots of Americans, the second one is racist.
Serious about being discriminated against, hated, bullied, and robbed by people who are racist against me for being a White American male.
You don't want a bigot running hiring or a team, this is not a political thing (what a strange comment you have made). You also don't want to artificially hire folks to meet a hiring metric, which is the point you seem to have whiffed over. The resume population usually dictates the diversity and should not be forced to align to political ideals.
Yes, we did have the "crap" of taking a problem, and making it better. Thank goodness we still have that.
Just because a problem (like using "dirt?") can't go away, doesn't mean you shouldn't make it better! That's like saying, "sometimes part of my house will wear out, so why fix anything? let it all rot into a pit."
(P.S. Do people really not understand how much money certain wealthy parties/groups spend to turn people against each other and create fear of people who are "different", and causes, like maintaining our home planet, that interfere with short-term unsustainable money-grabs?--so that we ignore where society's problems actually stem from? Do people think they came to their ignorance all on their own with no help from deep wallets? Can we truly not see all of human history and apply those lessons today?)
Reverse discrimination? That would mean no discrimination, right? Since discrimination refers to the act of and nothing to do with which skin color.
You're spot on until you mention discriminatory, racist, sexist scholarships.
I disagree with Tim's statement that they need to change, or "need improving". If you purposely hunt for others to balance your numbers that's positive discrimination and just as bad as any other forms of discrimination.
If those are the numbers that have come about because those people are the best people for the jobs, so what?
If those are the numbers that have come about because those people are the best people for the jobs, so what?
unless Apple opens an Apple Store in Scottland of course
There are Apple Stores in Scotland. The one on Buchanan Street in Glasgow is full of Glaswegians. I suppose they should import non-Scots to fill positions to satisfy race quotas. Ridiculous!
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Yeah - why don't we discriminate against White males in favor of White females? That makes sense!
This is a very out there theory, but I believe awkward white men have the most power in the tech economy mainly for their awkwardness. The kids who grew up afraid of socializing, had far more time to spend behind a computer and commit more time than people with social lives. All of those years add up to thousands and thousands of hours more than the typical person with a normal social life. I speak from experience. Compare that to women, that's a much rarer experience for them. I think it has to do with the gender roles where if you're a girl, you generally get invited out without having to do much work. If you're generally more sociable and thus not relegated to nerdy activities, such as programming. As women start entering the tech space because it losses it's identity as being for weirdos, the actual weirdos with no social lives will move on to something else and probably be first to that party too.
The social isolation among middle income white males is a very fascinating issue to me. I think it creates an extreme range of outcomes (from starting a giant tech company to going on a shooting spree). Whereas people who are more 'neurotypical' probably won't go on a rampage, but probably won't create a billion dollar company either.
The social isolation among middle income white males is a very fascinating issue to me. I think it creates an extreme range of outcomes (from starting a giant tech company to going on a shooting spree). Whereas people who are more 'neurotypical' probably won't go on a rampage, but probably won't create a billion dollar company either.
Is the second question racist if you're German, Swedish, French -- or only if you're from Zimbabwe?
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You hit the nail on the head.
White people are doing the absolute most in these comments.
I agree that the best of the best should be hired, but there's a lot of advantages whites have over other minorities in the work field (including privilege, education, socio-economic background, and opportunity). There are some minorities that simply won't have the opportunity to become the best at their field simply because of their race.
This article isn't saying Apple has a quota of minorities to hire, it's saying that they want more minorities represented within the company. And to foster that change we need to start from the ground up, and that is providing equal opportunity and education for all at a young age. So they can get to the point where they are the best of the best in the future.
This article is saying hey, this is where our company stands right now with diversity. But we've got a long way to go. They aren't saying let's hire all the minorities and woman we can ASAP to meet the fictional race quotas MacRumors members have. Please comprehend the article before you respond.
I agree that the best of the best should be hired, but there's a lot of advantages whites have over other minorities in the work field (including privilege, education, socio-economic background, and opportunity). There are some minorities that simply won't have the opportunity to become the best at their field simply because of their race.
This article isn't saying Apple has a quota of minorities to hire, it's saying that they want more minorities represented within the company. And to foster that change we need to start from the ground up, and that is providing equal opportunity and education for all at a young age. So they can get to the point where they are the best of the best in the future.
This article is saying hey, this is where our company stands right now with diversity. But we've got a long way to go. They aren't saying let's hire all the minorities and woman we can ASAP to meet the fictional race quotas MacRumors members have. Please comprehend the article before you respond.
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