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I have one (of 4) that will disappear from WiFi service. Switch works, HD for Timemachine works but WiFi dies. Wonder if this firmware update will help it any. If not, maybe I will pick up another from eBay where the others came from.
 
I dont understand all those whining about discontinuation. Airport extreme got all you need.
Except there's no VLAN support, so they're not usable with many ISPs without a separate router in front. Also no support for IPv6 over PPPoE, so I'm stuck with v4 even though my ISP offers v6.
 
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Except there's no VLAN support, so they're not usable with many ISPs without a separate router in front. Also no support for IPv6 over PPPoE, so I'm stuck with v4 even though my ISP offers v6.

I'm curious; what ISPs require VLAN support in a router? That seems to be an odd thing to require.
 
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I'm curious; what ISPs require VLAN support in a router? That seems to be an odd thing to require.
I can't speak for other countries, but the NZ the "big four" (Spark, Vodafone, 2degrees, Vocus - 90% of the market) all require VLAN support when using "ultrafast" (fibre) services.
 
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I've got a suspicion that the claim of Apple sending the AirPort engineers to "other product teams, including one currently working on Apple TV." which was about 7 months prior to the Home Pod being announced at WWDC.

Think about the similar technologies that they can offer with products like the Home Pod.

From Apple's page about the Home Pod:

Seven tweeters. Amazing sound from every angle.
"HomePod has a unique array of seven beamforming tweeters that precisely focus the sound, from very narrow beams all the way to true, consistent 360º audio. By aiming those beams throughout the room, the tweeters create an immersive sense of space — no matter where HomePod is placed or where you’re sitting."

Although we haven't seen a consumer-ready unit, I wouldn't be surprised if there were ra few RJ-45 jacks on it somewhere. This would allow them to make it perform double-duty as a router. It already has WiFi capabilities, obviously. And with them promoting the idea of having multiple Home Pods to get better music sound throughout the house, that could also become Apple's implementation method of a "Wireless Mesh" offering.

I hope I'm right. I love not having to reboot my AirPort Extreme router, or having to explain to someone else to power cycle the router in order to make it come back online like I had to with previous routers.
 
I dont understand all those whining about discontinuation. Airport extreme got all you need. 802.11ac, 1.3 Gbp with simultaneous dual-band. Its not like something new will emerge next year,and tbh i dont see any new WIFI tech in next 5 years
The new hotness is MU-MIMO and 802.11ad which adds third band and beam forming for better connections when devices are in different directions. Home routers are only “rated” for “up to 50 users” and I’d venture with each person in a household having phone, tablet, game device, smart TV, streaming player, etc... most homes hit that quickly. Especially when you count ALL the guest devices and then drive-by attempts.. cheap home routers don’t have the ram and cache to keep all that.

I’m definitely looking at Uniquiti for my next setup. But thats still pushing double the cost of Apple routers.. and no Time Machine.
 
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This took way too long.
The fix for KRACK is only needed if using the Base Station as a wireless bridge (i.e. as a wireless client) anyway. If you're not using it as a wireless client then there's no rush at all for a fix.

Installing updates for your Macs, iOS devices etc. are far more urgent as they are used as Wi-Fi clients if you use Wi-Fi.
 
I'm curious; what ISPs require VLAN support in a router? That seems to be an odd thing to require.

If you have fiber or get your TV through your ISP (Centurylink Prism)
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I’m definitely looking at Uniquiti for my next setup. But thats still pushing double the cost of Apple routers.. and no Time Machine.

An AC-Pro is only $130 plus $110 for a Security Gateway.
 
If you have fiber or get your TV through your ISP (Centurylink Prism)
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An AC-Pro is only $130 plus $110 for a Security Gateway.
I need a switch to plug things into.. and I need at least 6 plugs. Cause I’m already out of plugs on my AE and swapping. I want room for PoE cameras too, and to drive the AP. And then they get you $79 for the Cloud Key. But it’s still 10x better gear than the $500 home stuff.
 
Except there's no VLAN support, so they're not usable with many ISPs without a separate router in front. Also no support for IPv6 over PPPoE, so I'm stuck with v4 even though my ISP offers v6.
I'm not a network engineer but wouldn't it be better to have separate modem and router? In the very least the router can be used with any modem but any modem cannot be used with any service (or even the same service changes standards). I am fairly sure the most “recent” AirPort Extreme supports IPv6... I know mine is set to auto IPv6/IPv4. Not even sure what benefit there would be to local IPv6 since I do not have anywhere near billions of devices on my LAN.
 
I can't speak for other countries, but the NZ the "big four" (Spark, Vodafone, 2degrees, Vocus - 90% of the market) all require VLAN support when using "ultrafast" (fibre) services.

thanks for the clarification, haven't seen that requirement over here in the states yet. Just curious, How fast is your ultra fast fibre? I know we are behind the times over here with internet speeds.
 
thanks for the clarification, haven't seen that requirement over here in the states yet. Just curious, How fast is your ultra fast fibre? I know we are behind the times over here with internet speeds.
Entry-level plans are 100 Mb/s down and 20 up. Most ISPs also have 200/100 and 1000/500 options (and a few still offer a legacy 30/10 plan).

A couple of years ago Chorus (the fibre company) did some tests with "NG-PON2" technology which topped out at 61.55 Gb/s, but they said at the time that it'd be several years before this becomes a commercially-available plan. I bet that very few customers are maxing out the existing 1 Gb/s service!
 
seems like all Apple does is release patch after patch for everyone of their products. Remember the "just works" days and all the sleazy mocking of MS for their constant updates?
 
The fix for KRACK is only needed if using the Base Station as a wireless bridge (i.e. as a wireless client) anyway. If you're not using it as a wireless client then there's no rush at all for a fix.

I used to use two AirPort Extremes and one of them was used as a wireless bridge. Anecdotally, it seems that a lot of people on these forums either have or had the same setup.
 
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I can't speak for other countries, but the NZ the "big four" (Spark, Vodafone, 2degrees, Vocus - 90% of the market) all require VLAN support when using "ultrafast" (fibre) services.
Yeah well both Spark and Vodafone supply 2amp Huawai HG659 routers with their fibre connections. Connecting an Airport Extreme or Express to the HG659 works.
 
Although we haven't seen a consumer-ready unit, I wouldn't be surprised if there were ra few RJ-45 jacks on it somewhere. This would allow them to make it perform double-duty as a router. It already has WiFi capabilities, obviously. And with them promoting the idea of having multiple Home Pods to get better music sound throughout the house, that could also become Apple's implementation method of a "Wireless Mesh" offering.

I hope I'm right. I love not having to reboot my AirPort Extreme router, or having to explain to someone else to power cycle the router in order to make it come back online like I had to with previous routers.
I had really high hopes that Apple would release the HopePod as a Router/Music device similar to what you described above. Unfortunately i think they would have touted this as a major feature during the keynote.
 
I dont understand all those whining about discontinuation. Airport extreme got all you need. 802.11ac, 1.3 Gbp with simultaneous dual-band. Its not like something new will emerge next year,and tbh i dont see any new WIFI tech in next 5 years

No, needs updating with USB3 at least.
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seems like all Apple does is release patch after patch for everyone of their products. Remember the "just works" days and all the sleazy mocking of MS for their constant updates?
This is an essential patch and is due to a vulnerability in WiFi. It’s not Apple specific.
 
My 4th gen TC took this occasion to go all-stealth, as in no status lights or nothin'. The AExp's all updated with no problems. Hard reset doesn't do anything. Unpluggin/replugging causes a short little fan burst. Oh well ...

[update] Tried to reset a couple of time, but no light. After unplugging it for 30 minutes, the status light came back on when plugged into power. Weird, but seems to be doing OK.
 
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seems like all Apple does is release patch after patch for everyone of their products. Remember the "just works" days and all the sleazy mocking of MS for their constant updates?

I don't disagree with your sentiment with their recent software releases, but in this specific instance this is not Apple's fault, it's IEEE's.
 
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Very pleased Apple have fixed this vulnerability. I hope Apple continues to maintain these units and bring out a refreshed range.
 
My AC towers (1 extreme and 1 time capsule) are reporting up to date at 7.7.8 via the iPhone app.

Anyone else?
 
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