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Clearly they aren't serious about enterprise if they are willing to package it up and give it away free to consumers.

Yeah, just like all those Linux distributions just package up all the enterprise stuff like volume managers, different daemons for services, etc.. for the consumer ?

That argument makes no sense. If you want to argue they aren't serious about enterprise with this move, I would make the argument that they are including a lot of functionality on a client machine that will require extra hardening for IT departments in order not to have "client machines" with open exploitation vectors like LDAP directories or HTTP servers.

Anyway, let's face it, OS X is Unix. Snow Leopard in its non-server form is as capable as Snow Leopard Server as a server. It just lacks the pretty little GUIs Apple ships, which to any serious Unix admin is just useless fluff anyhow. Like I'm going to use Web Server Manager to play around with Apache instead of just editing httpd.conf and apachectl configtest/apachectl -S/apachectl start.
 
I said "lion may be available on app store" on this forum and everybody rejected. Now, it seems Apple will do that.
 
Resolution Independence?

I'm not seeing any word anywhere about full and coherent support for resolution independence. I've been waiting on this since 2006. *Please* can someone say whether apple has done this yet?! I'm refusing to buy another laptop or desktop system from apple until they make it so I can actually *read*the*text* on that beautiful high resolution display.
 
Dashboard has never had to be in your dock for you to access it.

I know that, but in almost every other dock image, certainly of Snow Leopard, it is featured there. With the amount of things on that dock, why would it not be there?

Also, my point still stands- will Apple remove the dedicated Dashboard keyboard key and replace it with either a Mission Control or Launchpad key- since these are the new flagship features of Lion? That would make sense to me. The question is, then, would existing machines' Dashboard button on the keyboard still be used for Dashboard after they've upgraded to Lion, or would that functionality change. I know no one knows the answer, but it's something small to think about.
 
That argument makes no sense. If you want to argue they aren't serious about enterprise with this move, I would make the argument that they are including a lot of functionality on a client machine that will require extra hardening for IT departments in order not to have "client machines" with open exploitation vectors like LDAP directories or HTTP servers.

On *NIX systems only root privileges can modify HTTP server and other services. I am not sure how much "extra hardening" it would take an IT department to not drop the ball and give end users root access. :rolleyes:
 
I know that, but in almost every other dock image, certainly of Snow Leopard, it is featured there. With the amount of things on that dock, why would it not be there?

They may have decided it just doesn't need to be in the Dock by default anymore.

I believe Macs now ship with hard drive icons turned off on the desktop, correct? I spent years turning that off on all my new Macs. Eventually Apple agreed with that line of thinking and started shipping it that way. You can turn it back on if you want, but the default is 'off.'

I suspect Dashboard is getting the same treatment. They expect you to access it through this new centralized method so they took it off the dock. Makes sense to me.
 
Yeah, just like all those Linux distributions just package up all the enterprise stuff like volume managers, different daemons for services, etc.. for the consumer ?

That argument makes no sense. If you want to argue they aren't serious about enterprise with this move, I would make the argument that they are including a lot of functionality on a client machine that will require extra hardening for IT departments in order not to have "client machines" with open exploitation vectors like LDAP directories or HTTP servers.

Anyway, let's face it, OS X is Unix. Snow Leopard in its non-server form is as capable as Snow Leopard Server as a server. It just lacks the pretty little GUIs Apple ships, which to any serious Unix admin is just useless fluff anyhow. Like I'm going to use Web Server Manager to play around with Apache instead of just editing httpd.conf and apachectl configtest/apachectl -S/apachectl start.

I already mentioned this early on. You are a little late to the party. Luckily, the Server stuff is separate so it will be easy to avoid deploying this to client boxes.

As far as the argument I was making. It makes complete sense. Apple will be more inclined to remove features to keep things simple as opposed to adding new ones. Again, things like NetBoot, Deployment Services, etc. The consumer does not benefit (in general) from these features. Which make their development and even inclusion come into question.

These are the only things I am concerned with. Now that I know I can easily remove/not include the server components, I am not as concerned. My only concern now is whether or not some of the enterprise features many need will continue to be included.
 
Best way to do this?

Not sure why Apple has decided to implement the preview of Lion this way but oh well. How to best get this thing installed? It sure would be nice if they let VMWare install OS X client.

So I guess I'm stuck with installing it on another drive. Is there a way to initiate the OS X Snow Leopard install without having to logout? Why are they making it so difficult to test this stuff?
 
On *NIX systems only root privileges can modify HTTP server and other services. I am not sure how much "extra hardening" it would take an IT department to not drop the ball and give end users root access. :rolleyes:

This isn't really the case for OS X Server. The problem is that everyone could effectively have their own "local" server. Which would be a frakkin nightmare.
 
I believe Macs now ship with hard drive icons turned off on the desktop, correct? I spent years turning that off on all my new Macs. Eventually Apple agreed with that line of thinking and started shipping it that way. You can turn it back on if you want, but the default is 'off.'

Yes, they did- thank god, too. That was an annoying "feature"

I suspect Dashboard is getting the same treatment. They expect you to access it through this new centralized method so they took it off the dock. Makes sense to me.

True, but what about the key? If they turn the dedicated Dashboard key to a Mission Control or Launchpad key, even 2011 Macbook Pros will seem a bit dated as soon as Lion is released.

Why couldn't they just have made Launchpad the new Dashboard and Mission Control the new Expose? That would make more sense to me instead of having all 4- which is just overkill. Plus, they could have kept the keyboard the same as it is now (without having to change one or two keys or trying to find room for two others to those already existing)
 
I totally disagree. I hate it. Breaks the whole Desktop UI paradigm. I see why it is useful in iOS, but NOT in desktop.

Edit: I see a screenshot of the prefs to "always show" scrollbars. AMEN for once they made it a pref right away, and not after 1 million people complain about it.

The OS will auto-detect if you don't have a mouse with a scroll wheel or touchpad that can scroll and display the bars accordingly. That's pretty nifty.
 
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This isn't really the case for OS X Server. The problem is that everyone could effectively have their own "local" server. Which would be a frakkin nightmare.

Businesses running Ubuntu client or OpenSUSE would then have the same issue. (I have only used those two *NIX clients.) How can an end user start the HTTP service if they don't have root access?
 
MAS deployment is serialize all DEV copies

The Mac App Store deployment makes perfect sense and will allow Apple an easy way to determine who leaks pre-release builds to torrent sites.

In order to download Lion fro the Mac App Store, each developer has to request a free "redemption" code. When you download the installer, this becomes part of your "_receipt" package. Since the receipt is tied directly to your developer account, Apple can find out who specifically "leaked" the build.

FYI :cool:
 
Also, MacStories got this wrong - you can change the scrolling direction with a checkbox at the top of the Trackpad pane.
 
So, I hear that Apple has finally noticed that we Linux crowd are enjoying dm-crypt for years, and started marketing "innovative" full-disk encryption.

Then they rolled out Versions, which is what those more tech-savvy users have had for decades, namely since RCS was first out. (I bet there are transparent solutions on top of git, however I never needed one.)

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And yet, the Linux crowd somehow failed to make everyone else understand or care what any of those features are.
 
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