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Apple Releases First Developer Preview of Mac OS X Lion

linux2mac said:
Businesses running Ubuntu client or OpenSUSE would then have the same issue. (I have only used those two *NIX clients.) How can an end user start the HTTP service if they don't have root access?
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You just need an admin account in OS X Server.

You can startup the HTTP service in Snow Leopard today, without root privileges.

In other news, Lion seems to have broken AD after the install. Sweet.
 
smith4925 said:
It looks like Mail stole some ideas from Sparrow.
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You mean Sparrow stole some ideas from the iPad.

Sparrow's developers aren't stupid. They must have realized Mail would eventually look like this. They must be banking on its superior gmail integration to set it apart.
 
Speed8ump said:
I'm not seeing any word anywhere about full and coherent support for resolution independence. I've been waiting on this since 2006. *Please* can someone say whether apple has done this yet?! I'm refusing to buy another laptop or desktop system from apple until they make it so I can actually *read*the*text* on that beautiful high resolution display.
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You can actually change the UI resolution, but my advice is, if you can — don't. In its current state, it's lame. It allows very fixed magnification increments which almost never match dot pitch of your display. It reveals how many UI elements are actually bitmap despite having Display PostScript since 1994 in NeXTSTEP.

The UI will never be resolution-independent until the very last UI designer who thinks in terms of pixels, dies. And then you bump into an issue of re-measuring *everything*. See, I have tried 1.25 factor on a 11.6", 1366×768 display (1.25 is something almost close to the real DPI value). Everything grew huge and was reminiscent of an EGA display of old.

And then, there is another issue. I'd like to hear a clear answer to the following question:

— How should the system behave if I plug in an external monitor with a different PPI value and move a window in a way that half of it is on one display, and another half on the other display?

The only option to have is:
— have a Linux setup. I don't care if it's Ubuntu or not, mine is Debian.
— the X11 server has notion of real screen size, it can either obtain it from display, or you can put it manually into your xorg.conf;
— install GNOME desktop. GTK+ knows about DPI and can deal with it;
— use a vector-only theme, with no pixmaps whatsoever;
— use a vector-only icons set.

If the fonts seem huge to you, keep in mind that a pt is 1/72 of an inch, and not your screen pixel. Better yet, forget about pixels, don't talk about pixels, don't think about pixels, when you have inches, millimeters, typographical points and many other measurement units from our old boring physical world.
 
Developers,

Non-disclosure means that you can send a copy of Lion to me, but you're not supposed to tell Apple that you did it!

:D

Mark
 
The guys at Sofa must be happy to see Apple call their autosave system Versions.

What is it with OS makers and trampling on people that make your OS more usable in the first place?
 
Winni said:
I think you misunderstood the text. It only said that there will also be an OS X Lion Server product. Nobody said that Lion Server will be a part of Lion. OS X Lion and OS X Lion Server will very obviously still be two separate products.

OS X Lion Server still is a product that cannot be taken seriously, though, unless they change its EULA so that it can legally be run on non-Apple server hardware. Because, in case people have already forgotten it, Apple is no longer developing and selling server hardware.
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Actually, it does say it's integrated now. Sad day for Mac admins everywhere.
 
Rodimus Prime said:
Really that is your excuse for that.
I think more Apple finally listen to its users telling them that they want that because is is really nice feature windows has over OSX. Now if they could only include all sizes as well and it would be able to match windows in easy resizing.
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Please. No one cares about multiple corner resizing options. A handful of users are complaining at most.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but it says on the Lion page in small print that apps will have to be updated to use the Resume feature.
 
Seen screenshots on another site and UI wise:

- Window chrome same as iTunes 10 (lighter)

- Traffic lights smaller and updated in color like iTunes 10

- New buttons/sliders systemwide (grayscale)

- New progress bars (Aqua-ish but light in color)

- New Address Book (looks like "real" address book i.e. iPad)

- Finder has grayscale icons
 
jafd said:
You can actually change the UI resolution, but my advice is, if you can — don't. In its current state, it's lame. It allows very fixed magnification increments which almost never match dot pitch of your display. It reveals how many UI elements are actually bitmap despite having Display PostScript since 1994 in NeXTSTEP.

The UI will never be resolution-independent until the very last UI designer who thinks in terms of pixels, dies. And then you bump into an issue of re-measuring *everything*. See, I have tried 1.25 factor on a 11.6", 1366×768 display (1.25 is something almost close to the real DPI value). Everything grew huge and was reminiscent of an EGA display of old.

And then, there is another issue. I'd like to hear a clear answer to the following question:

— How should the system behave if I plug in an external monitor with a different PPI value and move a window in a way that half of it is on one display, and another half on the other display?

The only option to have is:
— have a Linux setup. I don't care if it's Ubuntu or not, mine is Debian.
— the X11 server has notion of real screen size, it can either obtain it from display, or you can put it manually into your xorg.conf;
— install GNOME desktop. GTK+ knows about DPI and can deal with it;
— use a vector-only theme, with no pixmaps whatsoever;
— use a vector-only icons set.

If the fonts seem huge to you, keep in mind that a pt is 1/72 of an inch, and not your screen pixel. Better yet, forget about pixels, don't talk about pixels, don't think about pixels, when you have inches, millimeters, typographical points and many other measurement units from our old boring physical world.
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Is it the UI designers who are resistant to resolution independence, or is it Steve? After all, he has the final say.

Don't see why they can't fix this. It's truly frustratiing. So many people are clamoring for resolution independence.
 
Hmm when all the bugs are combed out I'll probably get a family pack and install it in both my iMac and MacBook Pro. And perhaps an older MacBook Pro too - Depends what the min specs are for Lion...
 
johnmcboston said:
I'm worried that a large part of the interface contains the word 'swipe'. Fine for laptop users, but we desktop folks... I tried their touch pad in the store and found it really hard to get mouse-like work done on the touchpad. I'm happy sticking with my mouse - but now they have a bunch of OS features that expect us to go trackpad....
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Yeah, my concerns are generally on the interface side of things. It still looks/feels like such a mix of interface styles/approaches, and that's without full-screen apps and Launchpad thrown into the mix. I guess we'll wait and see how it comes together...
 
Manderby said:
Buttons look pressed when they are not pressed and inverse? This is anti-intuitive.
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Yes, that is pretty odd but it makes sense to me, its like tabs with the inactive tabs being darker/grayed out. The active button here is obviously going to stand out here.
 
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