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This is absolutely terrible for Enterprise.

How do you figure? The server disk by itself was always more expensive.
If you're a business with a Mac deployment you update all your machines like your would do any other time. The only difference is you don't have to buy a separate copy of the server version of the OS. It's bundled.

The only negative to this would be if they price the release because it includes server, which most people won't use.
 
And they're right to do so! Come on folks, I know it's hard to admit it (especially for those of us working in IT) but the enterprise market is going to decline from here on out. Local servers and the cost of maintaining them are going to get less and less important with services moving to the cloud and support being outsourced. You'll probably maintain a local file server for a long time to come yet but that's about all for the majroity of companies. For those that need serious kit on-site a Unix-based system or, dare I say, Windows is the obvious choice and pretty much dominate that market. Even desktops are going to head that way, heck a modern netbook has enough grunt to run the vast majority of business apps these days.

Apple has seen this coming, has looked at the miniscule market share it has in this area and backed away. While a painful decision it's probably the right one in the long run and allows them to focus on the growing consumer market. Why throw more money and time at developing their share of a market that's shrinking and that, most of the time, demands lower and lower prices?

Smartest post of the day... deserving of full quote.
I can't count the (e.g.) financial companies I've worked for who at one point or another tried to call themselves "a technology company masquerading as a financial company".
Maintaining a large IT department/infrastructure is going the way of the buggy whip, and for many of us that's a scary thing to come to grips with. And as we all know, fear leads to anger, ergo the main source of vitriol against Apple. They're leading the way in making IT unnecessary.
 
How do you figure? The server disk by itself was always more expensive.
If you're a business with a Mac deployment you update all your machines like your would do any other time. The only difference is you don't have to buy a separate copy of the server version of the OS. It's bundled.

The only negative to this would be if they price the release because it includes server, which most people won't use.

Clearly they aren't serious about enterprise if they are willing to package it up and give it away free to consumers.

We don't know if they are going to be removing features that are key to enterprises in order to make it more consumer friendly.

I am glad we switched AD, but will still not be happy if they start dropping support for things like NetBoot and SUS.
 
If this doesn't cost the same as Snow Leopard did I wont be buying it.

Then I guess you won't have the new features. Snow Leopard was a maintenance release. A glorified service pack. It didn't really bring any thing new that Leopard didn't have except that it was fine tuned and stripped away a lot of junk and the code that wasn't Intel based. This is actually bringing lots of new features, functionality, performance, etc. If you expect to pay $29 for every OS upgrade, don't expect much out of such upgrades.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the only other time an update was cheap was 10.2 something? And that was criminal because the earlier release of OSX was so buggy that update was really needed and should have been free.

I think OS-es have tapped out on major feature enhancements. While these new features are nice... some are kind of funny to be featured. Like having your documents auto saved. While this is a step above simple auto save in that it saves multiple versions, auto save has been missing from Apple software while it's been in everyone else's software for pushing 20 years. It took Apple 20 years to perfect autosave? And I don't know that I need to have 100 versions of one document. Still, it's a step forward, but small.

Really none of Lion's features are ground breaking. Command Center is just a new view of Expose renamed. A few things are interesting, and including server is welcomed. But the user experience if not the features is something very exciting and new. Do I think this should be priced like full updates have been in the past? Not unless they have a few more things up their sleeves. But $29? Uh yeah, if you want this for $29 you're a cheap a**.
 
Me too. But it seems stupid to pay for dev account only for it. 9to5 mac wrote on twitter, that dev account buys you full version of lion too, is it true?
 
It's only sweet in that they won't ever use the Core Duo in a new product (though they've already done that).

I guess it was bound for my now 5 year old iMac to stop being supported. It's a shame since it still runs perfectly with Snow Leopard.

I thought my almost 4 year old MacBook would be at the end of the road but it's good to see it still got another OS update to look forward to.
 
You do realize that Apple targets 100% of customers with these releases, and 99.9% of them have never heard of JITouch or bettermouse.

Some people need to take a step back and realize what Apple is.

I completely understand that and that's why they do so well. I was trying to explain why there wasn't much talk about the gestures on this thread because lots the functionality that it includes has already been available to us geeks for ages. I think it's a lot of other people on this forum that don't realise that we really aren't apple's 'target market'!
 
Ha, you know when you put it like that it does actually seem silly that I close apps myself! you have a VERY valid point!

Your willingness to rethink your position gives me hope (regardless of the merits of the point itself.)
If only we could be as able to occasionally revisit our social and political assumptions as willingly. :)
 
Hmm... this is how iOS has been doing it. I'm not sure why Lion needs to quit apps running in the background. Its not like my Mac is going to run out of resources with the amount of RAM I have.

Try sharing a dual login iMac with a wife who never closes an app and keeps dozens of tabs open in her browser. :mad:
 
that or it a sign that Apple is one step closer to completely killing off server market completely for them.

Here is an interesting article that mentions the server possibilities with the Mac Mini and Light Peak - err Thunderbolt. LOL

http://www.cringely.com/tag/grand-central-dispatch/

Start with a Light Peak-equipped Mac Mini. Need more horsepower? Just get another Mini and connect with Light Peak. Grand Central will automatically distribute the load across multiple devices. A 2U rack will hold eight Mac Minis that, tightly coupled, will run rings around an Xserve.

Now with Lion Server being free this will really be interesting.
 
If you look at the top left of this screenshot you can see Dashboard still there

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If you look at the dock, though, you will see it is not. Which is odd.
 
Not possible now. They are not going to change from AQUA at least in lion. Mac OS 11 might have an overhaul but not in Lion.

Look at iLife/Mail, etc. They cannot fool the developers this way. This is the first real build and nothing is going to be inconsistent from now on.

If I recall correctly, 10.5 didn't see its gray look / desktop UI change until 2 months before release. There's still time. It won't be radical, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see some iLife-style buttons and progress bars replace their Aqua counterparts.
 
Clearly they aren't serious about enterprise if they are willing to package it up and give it away free to consumers.

We don't know if they are going to be removing features that are key to enterprises in order to make it more consumer friendly.

I am glad we switched AD, but will still not be happy if they start dropping support for things like NetBoot and SUS.

I somehow doubt Apple would bother to strip out functionality of their server software that they've already developed and can simply port over. I think the worse case scenario would be they just don't develop a lot of new things for it.

Apple never did well in the enterprise market in the first place. Windows and free Linux servers own the market. Apple always focused mostly on small business and still does. They didn't drop the Xserve line because it was working out well for them. If you are a small business owner and are comparing computer platforms, not having to buy a separate server product is a nice incentive. A really small business may not even need server hardware to accomplish what they need to do. It's actually a pretty smart business strategy on Apple's part. However, I doubt it will move tons of Macs into the businesses. At the end of the day, a company has it's budget and the Mac hardware is a budget buster. Baking the server product into each machine could actually make for a better experience if they go that route.

But you said it best. We don't know. The doom and gloom is less likely. An a server isn't really a consumer oriented thing. There are many of us that would run a server and hook back up old macs just because we're geeks and it's a fun afternoon. We're a minority. I don't think we'll see millions of people running the server off their iMac or even find a use to look into it. Making it consumer friendly would just be... dumb.
 
Same old things of years ago, tomorrow.

So, I hear that Apple has finally noticed that we Linux crowd are enjoying dm-crypt for years, and started marketing "innovative" full-disk encryption.

Then they rolled out Versions, which is what those more tech-savvy users have had for decades, namely since RCS was first out. (I bet there are transparent solutions on top of git, however I never needed one.)

And then they turned to basic window management and finally allowed resizing windows from any corner. I bet that by 10.8 they will implement another cool thing: press Option, click anywhere on the window and you can drag it around while Option is pressed. Press Option and pinch to resize the active window from anywhere. This is what almost every window manager for X11 has for at least 15 years.

Another feature they could bring would be "files you have marked as important". Create a private directory inaccessible to any application save for selected system daemons, and make hard links to "important" files there. A launchd job would periodically check if those files were removed from their original locations, and restore them. This is a "feature" any sysadmin knew since mid-80s probably, but Apple might as well wish to wrap it in a shiny prefpane, couple with versioning and market it to the average Joe Forgetful User as an innovative feature.
 
I like the adoption of 'overlay scroll bars' from iOS.

I totally disagree. I hate it. Breaks the whole Desktop UI paradigm. I see why it is useful in iOS, but NOT in desktop.

Edit: I see a screenshot of the prefs to "always show" scrollbars. AMEN for once they made it a pref right away, and not after 1 million people complain about it.
 
Clearly they aren't serious about enterprise if they are willing to package it up and give it away free to consumers.

We don't know if they are going to be removing features that are key to enterprises in order to make it more consumer friendly.

I am glad we switched AD, but will still not be happy if they start dropping support for things like NetBoot and SUS.

Why is free server software not being serious about enterprise? Ubuntu and other *NIX distros are in enterprise and last I checked they are still free.
 
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