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Apple Releases First Developer Preview of OS X Mountain Lion, Public Launch in Late Summer
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It's possible to downgrade to SL on late 2011? I thought it possible just on early 2011..
Good grief... you are talking about a future OS that hasn't even been announced? That is not how I took your comments, and I don't think others took it that way, too. We could play "what if" all day long. This is the current reality: You can write apps and they will work on OS X unsigned! That has always been the case.
It would not be the end of the world, it would just be the end of our computing freedom. There is no context in which this is fine for me and I don't get where you're coming from when you think it is.
Building open source projects should not require end-users to get Apple approved certificates.
Good grief because I was replying to someone who was. I didn't bring it up. Why don't you harass him about it instead of me ?
actually they're changing the OS X model to follow that path of iOS - yearly upgrades and faster cycle which will actually keep OS X more up to date.
I personally see nothing wrong with adding features like Notes, etc - its better than them not being there.
You can obviously built and test, so it is entirely possible that if it is staying on your local machine you would not need to sign.
Apple is specifically saying you should do it if you are distributing (signing code that you expect others to run is perfectly acceptable and I think most developers would want to do this).
Unfortunately we won't know unless it happens.
Yes, but now with iOS, they are gaining more and more market share from non-tech savvy people.
What is the big deal, any way?
Power users will ALWAYS go in and tweak default settings.
Solid
I predict a $9.99 price point if Apple is moving to a yearly update cycle.
Gatekeeper is exactly right. Apple needs to pre-empt the slew of malware that is headed their way if the keep selling Macs like gangbusters and that middle setting is the exact right default. If you're savvy enough to use software not in the Mac App store then you are savvy enough to turn that setting to Allow All. Only Mac App Store and signed for users not sophisticated to find that panel (or troubleshoot problem).
I LOVE that Calendar and Mail are having notes and to-dos separated out. I prefer the way that Postbox handles attachments but still wanted notes functionality. Grrrrrreat!!!!
AirPlay mirroring is awesome. Notifications are awesome (I was starting to tire of growls update reminder) and the ML one seems more robust with the slide out drawer.
Messages is killer. I shouldn't have to worry what machine my wife is on. I just wanna send her a message.
I use Photoshop, Illustrator, Versions, Flash (sorry...we're moving away... Lots of legacy stuff and millions of users). I don't see anything in Mountain Lion to preclude us using all this stuff. I LOVE that my iPad, iPhone, and Mac will be more in sync than ever.
That said, I'd love to have more Facebook in there. I use Facebook WAY more than Twitter. I just want to share my stuff more easily. If would also be awesome if could Share Sheet to people close on AirDrop. I want to share without giving them a vocal heads up (and them not having to be in the AirDrop window too).
I predict a $9.99 price point if Apple is moving to a yearly update cycle.
Gatekeeper is exactly right. Apple needs to pre-empt the slew of malware that is headed their way if the keep selling Macs like gangbusters and that middle setting is the exact right default. If you're savvy enough to use software not in the Mac App store then you are savvy enough to turn that setting to Allow All. Only Mac App Store and signed for users not sophisticated to find that panel (or troubleshoot problem).
I LOVE that Calendar and Mail are having notes and to-dos separated out. I prefer the way that Postbox handles attachments but still wanted notes functionality. Grrrrrreat!!!!
AirPlay mirroring is awesome. Notifications are awesome (I was starting to tire of growls update reminder) and the ML one seems more robust with the slide out drawer.
Messages is killer. I shouldn't have to worry what machine my wife is on. I just wanna send her a message.
I use Photoshop, Illustrator, Versions, Flash (sorry...we're moving away... Lots of legacy stuff and millions of users). I don't see anything in Mountain Lion to preclude us using all this stuff. I LOVE that my iPad, iPhone, and Mac will be more in sync than ever.
That said, I'd love to have more Facebook in there. I use Facebook WAY more than Twitter. I just want to share my stuff more easily. If would also be awesome if could Share Sheet to people close on AirDrop. I want to share without giving them a vocal heads up (and them not having to be in the AirDrop window too).
Not to mention people whining about this being a "small update". That's what yearly updates do. 3 years waiting for a new OS ? There's bound to be quite a few new features. 3 releases in 3 years ? You won't get the same amount of features each release, you'll get them spread over the 3.
So really, what they have announced, not 1 year after Lion, seems pretty OK to me. If they price the updates right, this is a good new model where we get new features faster, but less of them at a time.
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And hopefully, Apple respects our computing freedom more than you apparently do.
It better not be. People will be upset when they see it telling them that they can't open something because it is not approved. A similar already happens in Windows with the whole "Publisher cannot be identified" thing coming up for every application including Word.
They said to themselves, okay we ********** up Lion...Let's fix it and make it all better for all users..bring back PowerPC support....and other stuff that Snow Leopard had the game played like a BOSS
I think the person was referring to not doing a clean install. If you are running Leopard, or earlier, and don't have access to getting Lion any other way then the Mac app store, you will need Snow Leopard to be able to buy Lion.
Yes, but non-tech savvy people might now find some unsigned software that's pretty snazzy, try t run it, and it'll pop them a big "DENIED". They'll think there's a problem with the software rather than their configuration and they'll move elsewhere.
The default should be to opt-in to gatekeeper, not to have to opt-out. But if it's just that, like I said, it's simply an annoyance, it's not bad per say. It's just not what I call a "sensible" default.
I completely disagree with you. "Jack of all trades master of none" doesn't apply here. Apple isn't removing functionality, they are simply adding it.
Not one single person on this thread who claims that these features are "a step backwards" can explain why. I have yet to see a valid reason.
How does notification center hinder your productivity? How does unifying a desktop and mobile OS hinder productivity?
You can still launch twitter or mail if you like to read messages, nothing is stopping you. If you don't like alerts, turn them off, but for those of us who do a lot of multitasking alerts are a huge help.
Not to mention Mission Control is far from a gadget. Again, for those of us that multitask its a very useful feature.
Sp please explain how on earth is adding new features a step backwards? How is Mountain Lion limiting you in your workflow?
Given the way most OS X installs go, what if they give you the option to set it during the installation process?
You seem to love using that line
You're playing with semantics, "broken," "removed" or "lacking" - all different ways of conveying the same meaning. If you had been a developer you would know that Apple has, in fact, removed features from beta's in the commercial release. One example that jumps to mind was ZFS implementation in a few of the "Leopard" beta's (not getting into Sun Microsystem's demise, but at that time, around 2007, Apple could have replaced the aging HFS+ F.S. with further ZFS+ implementation, so in that regard, it was removed). So was "All Windows" Exposé, to "App Exposé and "Mission Control." Removed, and crippled. "Mission Control" is great for ONE display systems, Launchpad and Mission Control with horizontal "Spaces" adds more steps into one's workflow.
Look, you're bating people into straw man arguments. You have your opinion, and others have theirs. The fact is, for those who used many of the earlier renditions of OS X, it just "worked better." As iCloud integration is only available for Lion, and it seems Apple is dropping more and more support for legacy products (and SL is not an old product), we are being forced to make the switch which does negatively impact our work.
/end of discussion
It looks like OS X is still following iOS. I wonder when they will see parity. Because I expect of course an update to iOS this year as well. Maybe we see parity once the new iOS features are shown and then more OS X features are shown.
You don't need the Mac App store to run apps. Its 100% optional. Anyone can make apps for the Mac without using the Mac App store.
Windows 8 is pretty snazzy... Mountain Lion may not be enough this time around.
Apple should really fix the problems in Lion first or improve some of the core tools like Finder. Some aspects of OSX are starting to fall behind Windows like lack of wideband 2.4ghz WiFi support.
Come off it. The key word is distribution. There is nothing to suggest that you will be unable to run unsigned code on your local machine.
However, it is clear now how Apple intends to proceed. MAS and signed apps are good, unsigned apps not so good.
That is the reality. It is better to be prepared for that reality than slamming others for pointing out that this is where it might go.
These are ten features they selected to highlight for consumers in a developer preview. The final release will consists of hundreds of new features. (And they are calling it 10.8.)
I seriously do not understand these "Oh my God they are using features inspired by a mobile OS aahhhhh!" arguments. Is there a reason that a notification center is bad for a desktop PC? Being able to seamlessly move between devices would seem to be a good thing.