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Apple Releases First Developer Preview of OS X Mountain Lion, Public Launch in Late Summer

5aga said:
actually they're changing the OS X model to follow that path of iOS - yearly upgrades and faster cycle which will actually keep OS X more up to date.

I personally see nothing wrong with adding features like Notes, etc - its better than them not being there.
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Yes I can see that.. it's an idiotic move in my opinion. There is no purpose in rushing out numbered entries of OSX every year if they add tiny and insignificant things. It just diminishes the credibility of the operating system.

These features could be added via a software update OR via the App Store. These are simply apps.. there is no need for this to be called "Mountain Lion". These titles should be reserved for significant interface revamps.

Adding a notes and reminder app among other things isn't a significant update. I can already make notes on my laptop.. why do I need another App called "Notes". Why can't they incorporate Notes and Reminders into a unified App?

It's just becoming so tacky and crowded.
 
chrono1081 said:
You don't need the Mac App store to run apps. Its 100% optional. Anyone can make apps for the Mac without using the Mac App store.
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But when I upgrade to the new OSX, would I need to re-buy what I've bought when I had my Lion OS? If that makes sense?
 
BaldiMac said:
These are ten features they selected to highlight for consumers in a developer preview. The final release will consists of hundreds of new features. (And they are calling it 10.8.)

I seriously do not understand these "Oh my God they are using features inspired by a mobile OS aahhhhh!" arguments. Is there a reason that a notification center is bad for a desktop PC?
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No one on this thread who is crying about it can seem to explain why its bad.

I think it boils down to people won't feel as smart if something is easier to do for the masses.
 
BaldiMac said:
These are ten features they selected to highlight for consumers in a developer preview. The final release will consists of hundreds of new features.
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Ah yes.. that good old excuse. Just like all the extra features Lion had? Those "hundreds" of new features will probably include a new shade of colour for the scroll bar.
 
Liquinn said:
But when I upgrade to the new OSX, would I need to re-buy what I've bought when I had my Lion OS? If that makes sense?
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No. Usually software vendors produce patches to deal with new operating systems.

Its always wise to never upgrade immediately if you depend on a certain software. I can't upgrade my machines until I know:

Adobe Photoshop
After Effects
Corel Painter
Unity 3D
Houdini
Maya
ZBrush
Wacom tablet drivers

are all compatible. When going from Snow Leopard to Lion these programs were updated within a few months and everything worked. No need to buy a new license.

The only time you'd need to re-buy a program is if legacy support was dropped, but this usually doesn't happen for years.
 
Hephaestus said:
Yes I can see that.. it's an idiotic move in my opinion. There is no purpose in rushing out numbered entries of OSX every year if they add tiny and insignificant things. It just diminishes the credibility of the operating system.
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Possibly OSX 10.8 to compete with Windows 8? :)




I really hope OSX 10.8 doesn't break anything major. Apple seems to have a bad habit of changing core APIs between versions.
 
MisterK said:
I predict a $9.99 price point if Apple is moving to a yearly update cycle.

Gatekeeper is exactly right. Apple needs to pre-empt the slew of malware that is headed their way if the keep selling Macs like gangbusters and that middle setting is the exact right default. If you're savvy enough to use software not in the Mac App store then you are savvy enough to turn that setting to Allow All. Only Mac App Store and signed for users not sophisticated to find that panel (or troubleshoot problem).

I LOVE that Calendar and Mail are having notes and to-dos separated out. I prefer the way that Postbox handles attachments but still wanted notes functionality. Grrrrrreat!!!!

AirPlay mirroring is awesome. Notifications are awesome (I was starting to tire of growls update reminder) and the ML one seems more robust with the slide out drawer.

Messages is killer. I shouldn't have to worry what machine my wife is on. I just wanna send her a message.

I use Photoshop, Illustrator, Versions, Flash (sorry...we're moving away... Lots of legacy stuff and millions of users). I don't see anything in Mountain Lion to preclude us using all this stuff. I LOVE that my iPad, iPhone, and Mac will be more in sync than ever.

That said, I'd love to have more Facebook in there. I use Facebook WAY more than Twitter. I just want to share my stuff more easily. If would also be awesome if could Share Sheet to people close on AirDrop. I want to share without giving them a vocal heads up (and them not having to be in the AirDrop window too).
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That would be a killer price.
 
chrono1081 said:
No one on this thread who is crying about it can seem to explain why its bad.

I think it boils down to people won't feel as smart if something is easier to do for the masses.
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Notification Centre is about the only decent thing proposed here and it doesn't appear to be a significant upgrade. So I can see my notifications on the desktop? I can already do that via badges on Apps. It's just becoming crowded and tacky in my opinion.
 
bedifferent said:
You seem to love using that line ;)

You're playing with semantics, "broken," "removed" or "lacking" - all different ways of conveying the same meaning. If you had been a developer you would know that Apple has, in fact, removed features from beta's in the commercial release. One example that jumps to mind was ZFS ...
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Wait, are we talking about Lion removing features from Snow Leopard or are you, wait for it... moving goalposts ?

Stick to the initial topic. Lion being a "less professional" release than Snow Leopard. I am not really interested in discussing the finer points of interim beta releases and lists of OS X generic pet peeves.
 
chrono1081 said:
No. Usually software vendors produce patches to deal with new operating systems.

Its always wise to never upgrade immediately if you depend on a certain software. I can't upgrade my machines until I know:

Adobe Photoshop
After Effects
Corel Painter
Unity 3D
Houdini
Maya
ZBrush
Wacom tablet drivers

are all compatible. When going from Snow Leopard to Lion these programs were updated within a few months and everything worked. No need to buy a new license.

The only time you'd need to re-buy a program is if legacy support was dropped, but this usually doesn't happen for years.
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I also use Final Cut Pro and Apeture; so when I update can apple just verify the software is legit and then there will be no problems?

And true, I can't update unless I know this software works:
Photoshop
Illustrator
Final Cut Pro
Apeture etc.

Hmmmm, time will tell.
 
Does AirPlay mirroring actually currently work?

Just tried and get the error "Please update the AirPlay device to a newer version."

I have the latest Apple TV 2 with the latest firmware. What gives?
 
Liquinn said:
Photoshop CS5 isn't in the Mac App store.

How an earth will I be able to use it if I upgrade from Lion to Mountain Lion? Will I have to buy Adobe Photoshop CS5 again after I upgrade? I sure hope not.
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You have the option to run all apps in sys/prefs.
 
bedifferent said:
You seem to love using that line ;)

You're playing with semantics, "broken," "removed" or "lacking" - all different ways of conveying the same meaning. If you had been a developer you would know that Apple has, in fact, removed features from beta's in the commercial release. One example that jumps to mind was ZFS implementation in a few of the "Leopard" beta's (not getting into Sun Microsystem's demise, but at that time, around 2007, Apple could have replaced the aging HFS+ F.S. with further ZFS+ implementation, so in that regard, it was removed). So was "All Windows" Exposé, to "App Exposé and "Mission Control." Removed, and crippled. "Mission Control" is great for ONE display systems, Launchpad and Mission Control with horizontal "Spaces" adds more steps into one's workflow.

Look, you're bating people into straw man arguments. You have your opinion, and others have theirs. The fact is, for those who used many of the earlier renditions of OS X, it just "worked better." As iCloud integration is only available for Lion, and it seems Apple is dropping more and more support for legacy products (and SL is not an old product), we are being forced to make the switch which does negatively impact our work.

/end of discussion :)
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From what I understand and have read is that the reason why Apple dropped ZFS had to do with Common Development and Distribution License issue with Sun Microsystems. I also remember something about Sun not wanting to use a GPL license for ZFS.
 
SO GLAD...

I updated to Lion yesterday....LOL.

had no choice, really, after finally updating both iphones, to use icloud...

But I just paid 29.99 for Lion, 19.99 each for pages, keynote and numbers (was running MS office 2004 for years.... and its not compatible...didn't feel like shelling out $130 bucks for 2011 for what we use it for now...) plus 9.99 for keynote and pages for the ipad...

and I still have to update iphoto....

It is what it is I guess...
 
Hephaestus said:
Just like all the extra features Lion had?
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Yes just like those. For one, did you know that Apple introduced the NSRegularExpression class with OS X Lion which is quite powerful for text searching and replacing within Cocoa applications ?

No ? It never was featured anywhere, but it was a new Lion feature (and lo' and behold, they dragged it all the way from iOS 4, not everything from iOS is bad you know ;) ).
 
KnightWRX said:
Wait, are we talking about Lion removing features from Snow Leopard or are you, wait for it... moving goalposts ?

Stick to the initial topic. Lion being a "less professional" release than Snow Leopard. I am not really interested in discussing the finer points of interim beta releases and lists of OS X generic pet peeves.
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Ummm, I believe it was you who brought up the issue of removing or lacking features, I gave examples in "SL" and "Lion" that impact PROFESSIONALS from using it as effectively as they did before.

Talk about moving points. You should go into politics ;)

/aaaaand done here. Have a nice day. :)
 
Liquinn said:
I also use Final Cut Pro and Apeture; so when I update can apple just verify the software is legit and then there will be no problems?

And true, I can't update unless I know this software works:
Photoshop
Illustrator
Final Cut Pro
Apeture etc.

Hmmmm, time will tell.
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No updating then for you right away ;)

The Apple apps are usually compatible right away. Generally Adobe apps are compatible right away too, but sometimes you will need to wait for a patch. This usually happens very quickly. I think an official patch for Photoshop was out within a week of Lion launching, I forget though.

EDIT: Actually it appears Photoshop worked straight away during Lions release.
 
Hephaestus said:
Ah yes.. that good old excuse. Just like all the extra features Lion had? Those "hundreds" of new features will probably include a new shade of colour for the scroll bar.
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Yep. Just like Lion. It's an OS, not a new toy. Most of the significant changes are going to be features that developers can take advantage of to make better apps or improved security or some other foundational support.
 
BaldiMac said:
Yep. Just like Lion. It's an OS, not a new toy.
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Exactly. So why are they adding unnecessary apps and cluttering the OS even more? It's beginning to look more and more childish with every release.

Also, what were the other hundreds of secret updates with Lion? Could you expand since I have yet to see any.
 
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