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The Mac is on a roll, growing faster than the PC for 23 straight quarters, and with Mountain Lion things get even better...

I can see why he was named SHILLER.

What Mac is growing so fast? What aspect? Sales maybe? Not the hardware, unless they start updating again, soon, and especially updating the MacPro. This quote from Phil is such cheerleader-filler-nonsense from a sales pitch for something empty and impractical.
 
Oh please. What "real work" can't be accomplished in Lion that can be in Snow Leopard? Please do tell. As far as complaining about the "normal way of saving files", there isn't much difference with the new way. It takes merely a couple of times to adjust to the new way, plus you get all the added benefits of the new way. Yes, I'd like to have an option to "save as", or a "save to", rather than having to duplicate and then save as, but having one simple extra step doesn't stop any "real work" from happening. And having versions around is a huge bonus for the work many of us do. It might not be for you, but if you want an OS customized only to the way you do things, run a linux distro.

You really prove the point that Apple is *not* about options. Neither the word option or choice exist in Apple's vocabulary.

A simple tick in preferences to turn this crap off would solve the problem for everyone.

If you did more than just check facebook and write letters to grandma, youd know how much of a nightmare it is to work with Lion, especially considering the failure that is mission control.
 
I love the new Mountain Lion default wallpaper... it's so much more subtle than the one for Lion :cool: Bring it on!
 
Ok, that was unexpected. It's appears to be a reaction to what Microsoft is doing with Windows 8.

I doubt that. I don't want to come off as harsh, but Ive come to expect regular updates to OSX. On the other hand, a new windows version is pretty big news, so I don't see apple making this kind announcement to upstage Windows.

If anything it is a reminder that OSX has been pretty well maintained by Apple over the years.
 
You really prove the point that Apple is *not* about options. Neither the word option or choice exist in Apple's vocabulary.

A simple tick in preferences to turn this crap off would solve the problem for everyone.

If you did more than just check facebook and write letters to grandma, youd know how much of a nightmare it is to work with Lion, especially considering the failure that is mission control.

It's just as easy to learn and adapt, too.

I do development and design work and I've found versions and mission control to be wonderful (though full screen on multiple browsers would be wonderful). It's much improved over spaces.

And, seriously, how is "Duplicate" -> Make all your changes to the new file that you want -> "Save" any different? I just did it in Pixelmator while working on a design mockup today and it was perfectly fine.

Some people just hate change, I suppose.
 
I am a bit concerned about the annual OS X upgrade cycle. It can take quite a while for a new OS to mature and bed in and for developers to catch up. I feel we could miss out on that lovely period (thinking of Leopard for example, let's say from 10.5.5 or so) where the OS is mature, most of your third party apps have caught up and everything is peachy.

That said, I've nothing against the new features of Mountain Lion.
 
Wow how come you know how much it's going to cost because no one else does? Ladies and gents we have the fountain of knowledge right here! Plus you missed quite a few new features but I wouldn't expect any less from you ;)

I just hope it's not $30 because it sounds like you can't afford it! Awwwww shame.

How many times do we have to see the same rants in this thread? These features were just ten items that Apple chose to highlight for consumers from a developer preview. Pricing has not been announced.

Get in lads, you tell him! :p
 
Reminders and notes? Twitter integration? Messages? "Safari tweaks"? And they have the audacity to call this a new OS and not a 10.7.4?

The only thing they seem to be interested about is morphing os x visually to ios so more people can get macs...

Where's resolution independence that they 've abandoned? When are we going to get a menu bar that can be read on a the 27" imac? Where's zfs? Where is a better finder?

Where is one single idea in this os that seems inspired and useful? ONE!
(and no gatekeeper isn't anything to write home about)

How long are we going to keep coughing up $30 for service packs...?

Ts...ts...ts...ts...ts...ts...ts...

Unbelievable...

Not ever going to see ZFS incorporated into OS X. There were licensing issues with Sun Microsystems that killed the use of ZFS by Apple.

All this complaining about an OS X release that is optional for anyone to use. "Service pack" :rolleyes:
 
****** deal for a of people, if this keeps up my late 09 MBP might be on the next chopping block.

I'm using a mid-2010 MBP and Lion's a lot slower and buggier then SL. Unless they fix all of these little problems I'm sure even 2010 Macs will have some trouble running Mountain Lion smoothly.
 
It's just as easy to learn and adapt, too.

I do development and design work and I've found versions and mission control to be wonderful (though full screen on multiple browsers would be wonderful). It's much improved over spaces.

And, seriously, how is "Duplicate" -> Make all your changes to the new file that you want -> "Save" any different? I just did it in Pixelmator while working on a design mockup today and it was perfectly fine.

Some people just hate change, I suppose.

No, I don't want to learn and adapt if I don't want to. It should be OPTIONAL. Apple's only made the simple tried and true task of SAVING a file a complete mess. Much like Mission Control:

Try working on 2 documents in Illustrator, 3 in Photoshop and 1 in Indesign, and having a couple finder windows open, Xee, and some other stuff. Youre currently in one of your photoshop documents and you need to find a file, open it in illustrator and bring it into photoshop.

In Snow Leopard:

show all windows all at once in expose, go to finder (any finder window) open in illustrator, copy object, show all windows again all at once and go DIRECTLY into the desired photoshop document and paste.

In Lion:

show all windows in mission control, and then get stuck with all finder windows being grouped together. randomly choose one and then find window. then open file in illustrator, copy object and use mission control only to find all photoshop document windows AGAIN be grouped, which the only solution is to pick the front document and hope its the desired one, and if not, use mission control AGAIN to fan out all documents within the application, requiring another useless step, just like the initial step with finder.

Who the hell was in charge of mission control?

And why is there no option in system preferences for mission control to show all windows at once without grouping?!
 
And what exactly is dumb about these added features? ...

So, what's your problem with OS X and the direction it is taking, other than you don't want things to change from the way they were? What seems dumb to me is being unwilling to adapt to new technologies that make computer life better. Refusing to learn of better/more efficient ways of doings things is what I'd called "dumb".

Added features and *removed* features. And features never implemented.

One example from each category:

Added: touchscreen interface elements for a mouse/pointer interface, this includes but is not limited to, Launchpad, reversing scrolling on windows, removing scrollbars and actually offering a "Magic Trackpad" (laughable, why not joystick?) as a solution to their home made problem. DUMB

Removed: Core support; PPC support (Rosetta), for that matter Classic support, FrontRow (v1) and the Find feature, instead of this trash that is Spotlight search results. Can't even categorize the bastards properly. DUMB

Never implemented: A good Finder, that was ****** fixed. Instead people are actually making good money from writing Finder *replacements*, not just add-ons but entire replacements. FTP still can't write. That's DUMB

And with every iteration of the OS X (Mac is out, apparently) it becomes more and more dumb, using an interface a monkey could understand is evidently the next step (touch).

There is a laundry list of dumb things in OS X, so much that goddam Windows 7 looks pretty damn decent in comparison. In my 17 years as a dedicated Macintosh user, I could never ever say that - simply because it wasn't true.

Well now it is. Welcome to the dumb Apple. :cool:
 
And slowly the line between a mobile OS and desktop OS is blurred bit by bit...
Not liking this change, not at all, especially since the Notification Center will completely replace Growl.
 
I don't get it - what is wrong with those things? Autosave and versions are wonderful and mission control, once you adjust to it, is quite nice too. Why are those "wrong"?

Autosave/versions: I still haven't come across an instance where these work in a way that I would actually like.

I wanted to split up a PDF file to upload smaller files due to a stupid outdated and poorly setup CMS. Unfortunately as soon as I took pages out of one file, it got overwritten, and I couldn't just "save as" another file. Only because I knew the feature existed in Lion did I go looking for how to get the file that I actually wanted back. If I just tried to send the file, I've no idea which version would go; same with if I copy to an external drive or memory stick.

Then I wanted to send a copy of the original file, but the options to recover it as an actual saved file, when it should never have been overwritten in the first place, made zero sense to me - save a version wtf?

Similarly with any picture one opens just to play around with some adjustments/filters - no one EVER wants to save such changes, but now don't even have the choice. They are destructive features, through and through. Instead of asking what is wrong, could you tell me what could possibly be right with them? In any reality.

As for MC, it takes away screen space from the view one actually wants, and displays that view in a far less satisfactory way than either the 10.3-10.5 exposé or the 10.6 one, which in my view was the best we've had. I have never wanted to use spaces, and with the truly nasty implementation of fullscreen apps (again mainly just for lack of options, and failure with multiple displays), that has only become stronger. And yet there is no option.

I'm quite happy with change, but changes that bad drove me to Windows full-time within a week. I'm in options town now!
 
So is the whole argument about OSX being dumbed down and destroyed for advance users actually limited to Expose->Mission Control and Save As->Duplicate?
 
So is the whole argument about OSX being dumbed down and destroyed for advance users actually limited to Expose->Mission Control and Save As->Duplicate?

No, those are just two aspects. Just because YOU aren't experiencing difficulties, doesn't mean nobody else is.
 
And why is there no option in system preferences for mission control to show all windows at once without grouping?!

App Expose? Three finger swipe down? View all open windows for the selected application?
 

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You really prove the point that Apple is *not* about options. Neither the word option or choice exist in Apple's vocabulary.

Yes, Apple limits options. I would like greater customizability, but I acknowledge there might be well motivated reasons for prohibiting too many options, and I furthermore realize that the world does not start and stop at my convenience. My judgment call on these issues may depart from Apple's but I am willing to concede that even though I'd like certain things to be different, by and large, Apple is pushing the way we work with and use computers, forward. They are technological pioneers, and that's why I buy their products.

A simple tick in preferences to turn this crap off would solve the problem for everyone.

Did anyone force you to upgrade to their new outlook and how to handle these issues? No? So what are your crying about? You didn't get everything you wanted? Again, yes a few extra options were well warranted, but to denigrate the entire operating system and where it is taking us simply because you didn't like the way they handle a few select features is preposterous.

If you did more than just check facebook and write letters to grandma, youd know how much of a nightmare it is to work with Lion, especially considering the failure that is mission control.

So rather than answer my question as to what work is being inhibited with concrete examples, you resort to vague ad hominems. That just proves you don't have a genuine complaint but just want to blow hot air around.
 
+ iOS Notes
+ Gmail
+ Mail App
+ Stickies

Becomes:

OSX Notes
(iCloud)
iOS Notes

Makes me so happy I could dance a little jig.


And Messages... though I thought when this happened they'd have kept the iChat name & merged VOIP services into it as well. Maybe down the road...

Like everyone, I have a big wish list of things I wish they'd complete/fix in OS X, but I'm really happy as a clam to see some of this basic stuff getting addressed & the direction set for OS X, before they get carried away building more & bigger stuff on top.
 
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What is the gesture on the Magic Mouse to reveal the Notification Centre? Two finger swipe is already taken to transition between full screen apps.

Also, I just read 2008 Macs are unsupported. This includes the Unibody MacBook, too? :(

Mountain Lion's developer preview appears to do away with support for any Mac that cannot boot into OS X's 64-bit kernel. I'll link you to that page of our Lion review again if you'd like deep technical information about what that means, but the short version is that a wide range of Apple's products from 2007 and 2008 are being dropped regardless of whether they include a Core 2 Duo processor. The list of supported Macs includes:

• iMac (mid 2007 or later)
• MacBook (13-inch Aluminum, 2008), (13-inch, Early 2009 or later)
• MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid-2009 or later), (15-inch, 2.4/2.2 GHz), (17-inch, Late 2007 or later)
• MacBook Air (Late 2008 or later)
• Mac Mini (Early 2009 or later)
• Mac Pro (Early 2008 or later)
• Xserve (Early 2009)

Anandtech
 
App Expose? Three finger swipe down? View all open windows for the selected application?

No, like I said and thoroughly described in my previous post i need to see all windows all at once from ALL applications.

Also, I don't use the trackpad, I use a mouse. Which also makes it cumbersome for desktop users.
 
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No, those are just two aspects. Just because YOU aren't experiencing difficulties, doesn't mean nobody else is.

What's with the animosity? I asked a question. Those seem to be the only things brought up over and over outside of issues that advanced users can either adjust via options or ignore.
 
Are Apple seriously saying that one of the top new features is a Notes App? Something that has been built into Mail and syncable to .Mac/MobileMe/iCloud since 10.4 (I think) and the only difference being now that its a standalone App?

The "new features" list for 10.7 made for some amusing reading; one new feature was AirDrop (if I recall the name correctly), and another was the existence of a Cancel button in the AirDrop window :rolleyes:
 
Wow, Mountain Lion will be a "meh" upgrade. These features should have already been in Lion. I don't think these features are deserving of a x.1 upgrade, but I think Apple wants to quickly get to 11.0
I'm guessing that after 10.8, they'll go straight to 11.0, and the main feature will be Siri.

I wonder what OS 11 will be called? OSXI? sounds like "Oh sexy".

Regarding the name change, I think somewhere down the line.. Apple will release a product that is a Macbook Air and iPad mix. It will have a keyboard that you can possibly flip or something, making it into an iPad. And be able to flip the keyboard or something, and make it into a laptop. It will run both OS X and iOS, depending on the flip.
By that time we'll have the 24hour battery life Intel has promised too.

Now that.. will be the ultimate computing tool.
My main computing tools will then be.. iMac, iPhone and the (iPad + MacBook Air mix).

As long as Apple does not make OS X into a closed system like the iPhone, I'll take the upgrades. However, the moment Apple says that the Mac App Store will be the only place to buy apps, I won't upgrade.
 
No, I don't want to learn and adapt if I don't want to. It should be OPTIONAL. Apple's only made the simple tried and true task of SAVING a file a complete mess. Much like Mission Control:

If you don't want to learn, then don't upgrade your OS. I don't understand what's hard to comprehend there. Again, yes some extra options would be nice, but you are blowing things out of proportion.

In Lion:

show all windows in mission control, and then get stuck with all finder windows being grouped together. randomly choose one and then find window. then open file in illustrator, copy object and use mission control only to find all photoshop document windows AGAIN be grouped, which the only solution is to pick the front document and hope its the desired one, and if not, use mission control AGAIN to fan out all documents within the application, requiring another useless step, just like the initial step with finder.

I see from this that you don't know how to use Mission Control to its full ability. Well, since you don't want to learn and adapt, I won't inform you how to streamline your experience and make things much more convenient.
 
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