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No, he's right, the posts on MacRumors are unbearably annoying.
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OR.... maybe some of us are PISSED OFF and hope that Apple takes notice.
I for one, would like to see MORE innovation to the core products (which doesn't seem promising) and LESS emoji and night shift development...( I know some like it) but WHY does Apple "think" I need less-stressful lighting, or whatever it is they want us to "think" is innovation. And that doesn't mean I don't want to see this stuff, but I want to see our core products move forward FIRST.

I thought differently over a decade ago, I used to get excited about the next OS update, BUT now the MacBook Pro seems to be going the way of their monitors and airport.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but would SJ have traveled down this road? Maybe, But I don't believe he would have let the other core products get outdated.

:(
Why would you use the MacRumors forum to try to get Apple's attention..?

At this point, the whining on every. single. post. is just an annoying distraction. Some people actually want to discuss the new beta, but half the posts are "WHERE R NEW iMACS" or "DARK MODE PLZ" posts. Seriously frustrating.
 
I use f.lux on my MBP (e2011) and although it's nice in principle, it doesn't seem to be as polished as what Night Shift is on my iPhone and iPad. It seems to be too heavy on the yellow and I can definitely notice when it starts to kick in. Maybe I need to tweak the settings a bit more.

Yes, tweaking the settings f.lux is necessary if you want a specific hue intensity. Also, via the preference settings, you can disable any application from the night-time effect. That's important to me when editing/post processing images during the evening hours.

What I don't like are notifications telling me the obvious as I switch between apps: my screen hue has changed. :eek:
 
No, he's right, the posts on MacRumors are unbearably annoying.
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Why would you use the MacRumors forum to try to get Apple's attention..?

At this point, the whining on every. single. post. is just an annoying distraction. Some people actually want to discuss the new beta, but half the posts are "WHERE R NEW iMACS" or "DARK MODE PLZ" posts. Seriously frustrating.

Agree 100%. Anytime the topic is a new feature, some idiot whines that they shouldn't be working on that, but instead every engineer should be dedicated to the poster's pet other thing. It's repetitive and boring.

I'd like to have a practical way to ignore them. Currently, I have to actually read the crap posts in order to know they are actually crap, at which point it is too late to ignore them. Blocking helps with egregious repeat offenders only. Perhaps MR should allow people to set an "I am an unimaginative, tiresome complainer, and this is off-topic" flag on their own posts, as a courtesy to others.
 
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Maybe that hardware doesn't support this new night shift technology?
It depends if it's through a hardware level (most likely for speed and stability) or software level adjustment (could get in the way of direct access to the card), and since it's a marketing tool as well as a feature, they likely won't waste resources developing and testing it on older graphics chip sets. I like nightmode on the iPad, it's pretty nice to have, although not really that convinced if it's actually better than just dimming the display later in the day for getting a better night's sleep. Or better still, just stopping work a few minutes earlier at night to allow for sleep.

Regarding people making the point of changing the color palette entirely at night, they have a point. In Linux I used to have a modified inverted color scheme for night time which was great for reducing eye strain. MacOS does lack a dark theme. For large screens in semi public areas the same can be quite handy if offices use dimmed lighting at night.
 
dantroline:

"they likely won't waste resources developing and testing it on older graphics chip sets"

translates to, don't waste any manpower for that few graphic cards they have, translates to
buy a new Mac, if you wan't Nightshift Mode, translates to, make more money for shareholder value ;-)
 
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Anyone has noticed a disturbing bug that should keep me away from upgrading to this release?
 
It might just be me, but... updating to this beta broke Remote Desktop for me. When I click "Check for Updates" (see attached screenshot), nothing is available. Hopefully Apple releases an ARD update soon. Just a heads up if any sysadmins are thinking about updating...

Me Too!
 
Wow the Night Shift performance is horrible. Everything (scrolling, animations, mouse pointer) slightly stutters on my MacBook Pro 2016 (15). Let's hope it remains their priority throughout the betas and we will already see an update next week.
 
Can one of you fine people help me understand what the point of your posts are. I mean, they aren't funny, they provide no useful information. They turn away anyone who might come here for actual help or information. One can only get the impression that MacRumors is meant to be a joke and not taken seriously. Is that really what the owners want? How very sad.

Even after adding about a 100 to my ignore list, I still see this nonsense. I guess it's time to add more. However it would appear the supply of useless contributors is endless. How many ignored people can be added to the list by the forum software?
I think it's more just general frustration with Apple under Tim's (lack of) direction that's at issue here.

MacRumors = Mac users (traditionally)

And the Mac is firmly an afterthought these days.

I know myself I come here looking for new good Mac news and have only found frustration since 2012.
 
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I think it's more just general frustration with Apple under Tim's (lack of) direction that's at issue here.

MacRumors = Mac users (traditionally)

And the Mac is firmly an afterthought these days.

I know myself I come here looking for new good Mac news and have only found frustration since 2012.
A bit of a dystopian take, but I look at it like this: Microsoft and associated products/companies basically don't beta test properly (hardware and software), they use the un-consenting general public to do it for them post-hoc. This probably saves a bit of money and allows new technology to be rolled out early, so products end up cheaper at the outset but the consumer is randomly hit with badly defective stuff, like overheating hardware or unpatched security exploits that exist in the wild for ages and more frequent hardware turnover in many cases, so it costs more. Linux/BSD uses the willing public to beta test, but the market is small and motivations vary, so new technology is not as well supported, yet with a bit of time the user can get the most stable and powerful setup available for very little expenditure. Old hardware runs as new.

Apple's approach is still the 'just works' idea, but nowadays they are really testing just how many multiples of the original production cost they can charge for their products. Like many, I am willing to pay more to save the hassle of broken designs, incompatible hardware and software approaches etc. But for me the only reason I use an Apple computer at all at the moment is commercial software. Linux, I would argue, is the better choice for most people actually - if only they realised - because it saves a ton of money on new hardware and software licenses.
 
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Same thing on my MBP. Configure privacy/location settings first, then turn on Nightshift.

Found that "Setting Time Zone" must be checked in System Preferences/ System Services/ Details/
There is no explanation provided what to do once it sends you to system preferences. Feedback sent.
 
Is anyone using this release in a production environment? Generally the x.4 betas have been quite stable, but in the case where they have included additional features I'd be interested to know of any fundamental issues.
I'm using it on every Mac I own... so far no issues. I do not run a wide range of software though. Extensis, Adobe Creative Suite, Apple apps and a few 3rd party utilities.
 
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macOS Sierra 10.12.4 brings iOS's popular Night Shift mode to the Mac, allowing users to cut down on blue light exposure. Believed to affect sleep by upsetting the body's circadian rhythm, blue light is thought to be more harmful than yellow light.

Don't people close their eyes anymore when they go to sleep?

None of my blue lights (motion-activated night light, clock-radio, chargers, bug lights) interferes with my sleeping.
 
So it's not actually a night mode, it just makes everything an orange tint?

Pft. How about a real night mode where everything, system-wide is DARK?

It's the same Night Shift that has been in iOS since 9.3. Why would they use the same name for a completely different feature? It shifts the color temperature to be more comfortable (for some) in the evening, and might prevent a source of blue light from interfering with natural sleep patterns.
 
Just updated my rBMP (late 2013) and that has the night shift and it works across all displays (laptop display plus Thunderbolt Display plus Dell P2715Q 4k display).

Only issue so far, is that the first time it went in and back out, it didn't go back to my calibrated profile but the default profile, but not been able to replicate that.
 
A bit of a dystopian take, but I look at it like this: Microsoft and associated products/companies basically don't beta test properly (hardware and software), they use the un-consenting general public to do it for them post-hoc. This probably saves a bit of money and allows new technology to be rolled out early, so products end up cheaper at the outset but the consumer is randomly hit with badly defective stuff, like overheating hardware or unpatched security exploits that exist in the wild for ages and more frequent hardware turnover in many cases, so it costs more. Linux/BSD uses the willing public to beta test, but the market is small and motivations vary, so new technology is not as well supported, yet with a bit of time the user can get the most stable and powerful setup available for very little expenditure. Old hardware runs as new.

Apple's approach is still the 'just works' idea, but nowadays they are really testing just how many multiples of the original production cost they can charge for their products. Like many, I am willing to pay more to save the hassle of broken designs, incompatible hardware and software approaches etc. But for me the only reason I use an Apple computer at all at the moment is commercial software. Linux, I would argue, is the better choice for most people actually - if only they realised - because it saves a ton of money on new hardware and software licenses.
Linux is for geeks. The vast majority of people just simply don't have the time or inclination to eff around with computers.
 
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