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I don’t expect mistakes to not be made. But I also don’t expect SO MANY to be released when there was months of beta releases prior. Shouldn’t most of this stuff be caught and fixed then? You know, like it used to be? There should be very very little to fix right after release.

I feel that this release was rushed for some reason. Like releasing half baked cookies out of the oven. Never a good idea. And I don’t know why they did this. They have released in October before. So it’s not like they couldn’t have delayed it and made sure it was really ready first.

I think that Apple's use of Agile for their dev/ops team may be partly to blame if they have removed actual QA analysts and use the dev's to perform their own QA and follow the development cycle out the door. Someone can correct me if I am wrong about this.

My gripe in 13.x is now I can no longer select a zoom meeting in Outlook and have it launch the app. IOS seems to go into text edit mode when I select a calendar invite where the zoom link is in the subject. I now have to go into the contents of the meeting invite and select the link. Yes, it is a small complaint and I understand it is a bit of whining.

I will press forward and see where this train wreck leads in my use of IOS as Apple continues to push update after update.
 
I feel you’re missing a very important point here. The key thought here is “my property”. The operating system on our iPhones is not our property. Apple owns the software. Are you grasping at straws in order to devalue my statement?

What does Apple owning iOS have to do with anything? You've said this a couple of times but I am failing to grasp what that has to do with anything.
 
A minor annoyance? How about an app that functions as it should? Not only does the email not show up, sometimes when it’s clicks suddenly you’re in that mailbox’s inbox and then you have to navigate back to the collect all mailbox.

I seriously can’t believe anybody being an apologist for something like this. ‘Oh, so what one of the main iOS apps doesn’t function as it should. Suck it up and deal with it.’
How about an app that functions as it should? Well, right now we don’t have that, do we? So, pull down to refresh and get on with your day. How difficult is that? Don’t give it the power to get the best of you or ruin your day, it’s not that important.

“Suck it up and deal with it” is indeed one option. What are your other options? Complain? Worry? Stress over it? I can’t see these options resulting in anything productive.
 
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How about an app that functions as it should? Well, right now we don’t have that, do we? So, pull down to refresh and get on with your day. How difficult is that? Don’t give it the power to get the best of you or ruin your day, it’s not that important.

“Suck it up and deal with it” is indeed one option. What are your other options? Complain? Worry? Stress over it? I can’t see these options resulting in anything productive.
How about the fact that I, and numerous people, reported it to Apple? How about we bring attention to it and see if others on these forums are still having the same problem? How about this is one of the main TWO applications in iOS, Safari being the other, and it's not functioning as it should?

While I agree that, right now, all we can do is pull to refresh, the person I originally responded to wanted me to basically just accept it and deal with it and 'shut up.'

Also, because someone voices an opinion, even if it's worded in a complaining way, doesn't mean they are going around screaming 'My mail app isn't working. MY MAIL APP ISN'T WORKING."
 
How about the fact that I, and numerous people, reported it to Apple? How about we bring attention to it and see if others on these forums are still having the same problem? How about this is one of the main TWO applications in iOS, Safari being the other, and it's not functioning as it should?

While I agree that, right now, all we can do is pull to refresh, the person I originally responded to wanted me to basically just accept it and deal with it and 'shut up.'

Also, because someone voices an opinion, even if it's worded in a complaining way, doesn't mean they are going around screaming 'My mail app isn't working. MY MAIL APP ISN'T WORKING."
I understand your point. I wonder if it may be good practice to always have a backup email address on a different service just for situations like this. I feel it is good to always have a backup, because things don’t always go as planned.
 
I noticed this morning that one of the Mail bugs I’ve been experiencing seems to have been resolved. Do updates to the Mail app exist outside of iOS updates? Is the Mail.app included in Settings > iTunes & App Stores > App Updates?
 
You can believe that all you want, but you would be incorrect. Apple is admitting that the majority of people are having problems which is why they have pushed update after update out to try and fix these issues. If the majority of people weren't having problems we'd be on 13.0.
Apple (like many other companies) could very well be releasing updates as they get fixes to a variety of issues that they already have a backlog of, regardless of what people might be running into. That's not to say that something like that isn't factored into things, and sometimes is even the driver behind it all, but it is to say that often enough there are other things in play as well.
 
I understand your point. I wonder if it may be good practice to always have a backup email address on a different service just for situations like this. I feel it is good to always have a backup, because things don’t always go as planned.
It's all email addresses collected in the mail app.
 
So think long and hard - is raising a stink at Macrumours really the best way of getting the attention of Apple’s management and encouraging them to improve their development processes?

I don’t need to over analyze it as you seem to be doing. If you think you are going to stop people griping about things when they are broken...lol...good luck! You conduct things how you want, and the rest of us will all do the same.

“Suck it up and deal with it” is indeed one option. What are your other options? Complain? Worry? Stress over it? I can’t see these options resulting in anything productive.

It’s always funny when people complain about other people complaining, which seems to happen in about every topic at some point. 😂

The point of these discussions is to see what people are having problems with, if anyone else is having the problem you are, seeing if there is a solution, and if there is not, yes...venting about it a little.

I don’t know why people always make excuses for things that shouldn’t happen to begin with. The launch of 13, seemingly across all platforms, has been pretty rough. And it shouldn’t have been. There really is no excuse for it. Not with all the staff Apple has. Not with months of beta test. Not when they have proven they can handle things better. Last year was an example of that.
 
Hope they fixed the remote controls for audio docks and stuff. I have an iPod cable in my car that used to function well before iOS10. With iOS11 and 12 I have to quit/relaunch the music player every time before I can connect it to the car. Otherwise the car stereo unit reports a connection error and switches back to radio mode.
Now with iOS13, same thing still applies, but only when selecting any kind of playlist, it also becomes impossible to do a "next" or "previous" command on the wheel.

We'll see tomorrow.
 
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A minor annoyance? How about an app that functions as it should? Not only does the email not show up, sometimes when it’s clicks suddenly you’re in that mailbox’s inbox and then you have to navigate back to the collect all mailbox.

I seriously can’t believe anybody being an apologist for something like this. ‘Oh, so what one of the main iOS apps doesn’t function as it should. Suck it up and deal with it.’

I occasionally have to do the pull down thing to get the emails the badge shows, but I’ve never had any of the other problems you mentioned. I do consider having to initiate the download of the waiting emails occasionally to be a minor annoyance.

For me. iOS and iPados 13 have been remarkably well behaved operating systems.
 
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How about the fact that I, and numerous people, reported it to Apple? How about we bring attention to it and see if others on these forums are still having the same problem? How about this is one of the main TWO applications in iOS, Safari being the other, and it's not functioning as it should?

While I agree that, right now, all we can do is pull to refresh, the person I originally responded to wanted me to basically just accept it and deal with it and 'shut up.'

Also, because someone voices an opinion, even if it's worded in a complaining way, doesn't mean they are going around screaming 'My mail app isn't working. MY MAIL APP ISN'T WORKING."

Please show where I told you to ‘shut up’.
 
I'm surprised to see there is nothing mentioned on the serious iPad Air 2 issues which have been there since version 13.0 until 13.1.2 for a lot of users with that device as far as WIFI connection issues + Safari history problems are concerned as summed up by me here.

Apparently 13.1.3 fixes the WiFi issues (although based on one user indicating this) without using the workaround (restore to factory setting and set back the backup via iTunes on a Mac/desktop) and also the Safari history problem.
 
My PDF issues remain. I can’t create (called “share”) PDFs using Safari plus Photos apps and import into Books. I can’t share / import PDF from Mail into Books. I see all the prompts like a PDF is being created but “shared” (imported) into Books but nothing is created.

I tried the Shortcuts app workaround but didn’t work.


I logged a case with Apple about 3 1/2 weeks ago. Issues started after upgrading iOS to 13 on my iPhone 8. Appears only some users have this issue. Seems the issue
 
I install each of these updates in hopes that the existing bugs are fixed, only to get new ones. Now apps are taking forever to download and install.

Edit: and I’m still not getting text notifications aside from the first one.
 
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I forgot all about this update till now. I've had two annoying things happen, one happens frequently on my AT&T XS Max.

The most annoying is that my phone will indicate it's in airplane mode even after turned that's setting off. The only way to remove the airplane mode indicator is to restart the phone.

The other is that my phone completely froze with the display on. All I could do is set the phone down and after about 20 minutes, it restarted on its own.

I haven't ever really had problems with past iOS releases and the airplane mode indicator is the one that keeps happening and the only one that I've ever experienced that does.

Also, how come when I pair a new Apple watch to my phone, I can't use that watch with my phone until the next day? The watch will not record any new health stats. I have to put on one of the other watches until the next day.

The release notes doesn't mention either of these.
 
Please show where I told you to ‘shut up’.
It feel it was implied, hence the single quotes. If that was not what you meant to imply, I apologize. That's how I took it when I made a valid concern and it was dismissed as a "minor annoyance."
 
Is there anyone on here that understands why Apple persists in releasing software updates so defective that a deluge of .x updates to infinity are needed within a week or so? Unbelievable!
Very easy to figure that one out. We the customers put up with it, and Apple knows it. Too many people are impressed with and can’t wait for Apples pretty new colours, new gestures and new emojis. What Apple should do for the next software run for #14.0, is stop trying to impress us with new “features“ and concentrate solely on and FIX all of the bugs that they have never bothered to or even tried to resolve, then from that point go on to adding “new features“.
We all like new updated features, but these features should not be added at the expense of damaging their own apps and operating system, but as we have just seen with this run it is not the programs that are created by outside vendors that they screwed up, it is the apps that were designed to work by Apple, for Apple, on their own devices that they cannot seem to get right each time they have an update.
And we the customers are no longer demanding the quality we once did.
 
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I would question your assumptions here:

1. I can’t believe that Apple would knowingly release defective software knowing full well it may tarnish their image and require unnecessary resources to resolve problems.

2. Cluttering up these forums is not the fault of Apple, it is the fault of users who assume Apple is intentionally making bad decisions.

3. Thirty years ago the code base was smaller, so there were fewer problems because there weren’t as many chances that things could go wrong.

Calm down, it isn’t the end of the world. Tomorrow the sky will still be blue, the grass will still be green and the world will still be here. You would want others to forgive your mistakes, wouldn’t you? Why not extend that same forgiveness to others?
I would, if I could call them, text them, or even read their emails! Let’s face it, they blew it on this update and the subsequent updates did not fix the major issues with their own applications that are supposed to work with the phone, providing the thing will even start up.
No one has ever said they did it deliberately, they never would. However, there is no way that they did not know that these issues existed, but they still released the updates, because, let’s face it, September and October are the months that they are supposed to do this, they should’ve waited before it was even remotely stable.
 
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Yesterday I had a major freeze or kernel panic of some sort on my phone. Got into the mail app, swiped right to delete an email and it froze halfway through the animation. Couldn’t shut down the phone for a good couple of minutes. Then, I couldn’t get it to turn on. caught me off guard as I was at an airport waiting for a ride to pick me up.
 
However, there is no way that they did not know that these issues existed, but they still released the updates, because, let’s face it, September and October are the months that they are supposed to do this, they should’ve waited before it was even remotely stable.
Care to turn this into actual fact by backing it up with proof? Have you an internal memo from Apple, inc? Personal email or communique from the officers or engineers at Apple? Something that doesn’t include cognitive distortion?
 
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