Apple Releases iOS 13.1.3 With Bug Fixes for Phone, Mail, Health, and More

[Donnation]

Are you seriously asking me the exact same question that I just answered earlier today, a few posts above?

Though if you want a more in-depth look, you can read this article further here.

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Apple is basically pushing out updates and bug fixes out as quickly as they can fix them. The other option is that Apple sandbags and releases one larger patch addressing more issues at one go (but the downside is that you have to wait longer in between, and put up with those bugs that much longer).

Alternatively, you can choose not to update if you somehow have an issue with Apple’s pace of updates and wait till iOS 13.2. It’s pretty much the same thing.

I think Apple doesn’t get enough credit for the control they have over their ecosystem which allows them to push through updates as frequently as they do, compared to android where patches are few and far in between, assuming they even come at all.

This is precisely what I love about being in the Apple ecosystem and I will happily continue to install as many updates as Apple puts out



I don’t see why Apple needs your permission or mine to be allowed to do anything they do.

Yeah, there are bugs. Which Apple will (eventually) fix. Just like there are bugs with pretty much any app or software that I use these days. Windows continues to be patched on a weekly basis.

Like I said in my earlier post - and life goes on.

I don’t think “Apple needs to ensure that their software has absolutely zero bugs before releasing them” is a valid or realistic counterpoint, unless you never expect Apple to release any more software ever again. It allows the critics to take the high road, by claiming they are forcing Apple to be better by holding them up to impossible standards and unattainable goals.

But that’s just it. Talk is cheap, and it’s easy to point fingers and tell someone else to do their job when doing so doesn’t require any effort on our ends, while making us feel like we have made a huge difference in the world.

Honestly, if I were Apple, I would just wave my hand and go “whatever”, but that’s just me. As far as I am concerned and as far as I can see, yes, mistakes were made, and Apple is now doing the best they can to fix those mistakes, and if it means the good folks at Cupertino can sleep soundly at night knowing they have put in an honest day’s work, that’s good enough for me.

The fixes will come out when they come out, I doubt bloviating here is really going to accomplish anything beyond venting (again, you all did submit your bug reports to Apple, right?) and if it means having to live with a particular bug for a couple more extra days...

Then so be it.

Hahahahhaha, ok. I could give a rats *** if they can sleep well in Cupertino at night. They are a trillion dollar company and charge the most for any device in the world. No one is asking for a big free device. We are asking for basic things like mail to work perfectly right out of the box no questions asked. That is pretty much asking bare minimum.

And you’re “whatever hand waive comment” is priceless and just screams that you’ll accept whatever Apple throws at you. Should Apple do that they will lose customers plain and simple. They’ve already lost significant market share and telling customers to just deal with it is absurd.

I use and love their devices but I am not afraid to be critical of them when it’s warranted. It’s warranted with iOS13.

 

[Abazigal]

What mess?

I don’t gauge anything by the number of point releases. If Apple has to release something, let ‘me do it.

Just because the devices aren’t dirt cheap doesn’t mean the software is bug free. Just because one buys an expensive car, doesn’t mean it won’t have a warranty repair.

This.

I also wonder if the term “mess” is being over-exaggerated here. Based on the uproar here, you would think that people’s iPhones were randomly respringing throughout the day (remember iOS 7?) or being a bloated, slow-as-molasses POS (remember iOS 7 on the iPhone 4?).

My 8+ runs fine, and after today’s patch, I find that the swipe keyboard is so much smoother. Meanwhile, apps continue to load ever faster as the developers update them properly to take advantage of app thinning. I am willing to go so far as to claim that performance has actually been better on iOS 13 compared to 12.4, for me at least.

The only downside is that battery life seems a little worse for wear, and I will probably look at getting a battery swap at Apple one of these days.

I updated on day one and I don’t regret it one bit.

 

[I7guy]

Hahahahhaha, ok. You can’t argue with blind fanboys and I won’t pretend to...

It’s also tough to argue with those who blindly and hyperbolically bash Apple.

The number of subjectively neutral people are not very high.

 

[Donnation]

It’s also tough to argue with those who blindly and hyperbolically bash Apple.

The number of subjectively neutral people are not very high.

Please enlighten me how I am blindly and hyperbolically bashing Apple? I use and love their devices but also demand excellence from them. When I don’t feel the OS is excellent I will be critical of it. I would think Apple has the same thinking towards everything they do.

 

[skillwill]

This.

I also wonder if the term “mess” is being over-exaggerated here.

I partially agree - but the over-exaggeration is on both sides.

Apple doesn't deserve to be relentlessly bashed "BECAUSE Apple".

But at the same time, Apple doesn't deserve to be praised for fixing something that shouldn't have been broken in the first place - the basics. Its software shouldn't be expected to be bug free on Day 1, but if you rely on Mail for example, that should be working on Day 1, even if say quick actions or loading times still need some work.

You wouldn't buy a car and accept being told "The steering's a bit off but you'll be able to update it next week". You MIGHT accept "the stereo isn't perfect but it'll be updated next week".

 

[I7guy]

Please enlighten me how I am blindly and hyperbolically bashing Apple? I use and love their devices but also demand excellence from them. When I don’t feel the OS is excellent I will be critical of it. I would think Apple has the same thinking towards everything they do.

There was no such thing implied in my post, which was a general statement on top of your general statement, unless you were referring to specifically to some poster.

 

[PlainviewX]

How can they possibly not have fixed the very basic mail issue where alerts pop up and there's no mail in the app until you pulldown refresh?

 

[Donnation]

There was no such thing implied in my post, which was a general statement on top of your general statement, unless you were referring to specifically to some poster.

I was referring to the poster I quoted.

 

[WannaGoMac]

I think some of us feel duped. iOS 12 was really great from the start, and so I didn’t think 13 was as bad as reported in these formums. Boy was I wrong. It works but there’s these little bugs all over the place whether it’s safari not loading pages property, to this mail bug, to all these other little gotchas. Even tvOS I’m seeing a lack of stability with the ass now.

I really wish I stuck with my normal method of waiting a couple months before updating for every major release

 

[revmacian]

So your suggesting it’s alright as it’s your fault if you update day 1? And what about all those people who have auto update turned on and are not tech savvy, and don’t follow the news? Should they expect a broken OS too then? Should they expect their device to automatically update and then delete their emails?
It comes across as sitting on your high horse a little to make a comment like that, sorry but when we had a perfectly fine OS with 12, for them to break simple things in 13 like the keyboard not popping up, or pasting not working, I can’t excuse them for that and neither should anyone else.

Well, let’s face facts. Do you know what is meant by the word “fact”? Let’s talk about facts:

1. I bought an iPhone. Being that I willingly bought the phone, I’m mature enough to realize that it is my fault if anything happens to the phone.

2. I chose to manually upgrade so I am responsible for the buggy update being on my iPhone. Being that I willingly installed the update, I am mature enough to know that I am at fault if the phone no longer operates.

3. The operating systems on my Apple devices are owned by Apple, not by me, and I am mature enough to know that Apple can do what they want with their own property. Do you not understand that the operating system does not belong to the user? Apple retains ownership of the OS, it’s right there in the License Agreement that you have to click through prior to setting up the phone. It’s in the first paragraph. Don’t blame Apple for your failure to do proper research.

Apple didn’t force anything on me, all of the problems I’m facing are of my own doing and I can’t really blame anyone but myself. This is known as being mature.. accepting responsibility for my own actions.. placing the blame where it truly belongs. Getting angry at Apple over all of this is a sign of immaturity.. a way of refusing to accept responsibility for one’s own actions. Throwing a tantrum serves no purpose other than to waste resources.. resources like these forums.

Some of you folks really need to learn to be mature, accept responsibility for your actions and avoid deflecting blame. Unless Apple forced you to buy an Apple device, or forced you to update said device, you have no valid reason to blame Apple for these update problems.

 

[C DM]

I never had an issue however with the public betas of iOS 10, 11 and 12. Always installed them when they were released and zero problems.

Many would certainly say their experience was quite different with that, at the very least when it came to iOS 11 (out of the versions that were mentioned).

 

[Steve121178]

How can they possibly not have fixed the very basic mail issue where alerts pop up and there's no mail in the app until you pulldown refresh?

Mail has been working flawlessly for me since 13.1 with 4 exchange accounts on my two iPhone's & iPad. As ever, clean install with iOS 13.1 & zero problems (I deliberately avoided iOS 13 until the .1 release).

 

[newellj]

Mail has been working flawlessly for me since 13.1 with 4 exchange accounts on my two iPhone's & iPad. As ever, clean install with iOS 13.1 & zero problems (I deliberately avoided iOS 13 until the .1 release).

You're lucky. Many people have had completely different experiences with Mail, and still are with 13.1.3.

 

[Steve121178]

You're lucky. Many people have had completely different experiences with Mail, and still are with 13.1.3.

People have problems with mail every single year. My point was the clean install. I always clean install my devices & Macs with a major new update and I never ever experience anything other than flawless operation.

I'm sure people with issues generally do not clean install or import a backup riddled with problems onto their new shiny OS then wonder why it's borked.

 

[TheChud]

Still see the mail.app "bug/feature" where it keeps showing the last message you looked at when you open the app. You have to go back to the mail account list and then it will work for a short time before reverting.

 

[newellj]

People have problems with mail every single year. My point was the clean install. I always clean install my devices & Macs with a major new update and I never ever experience anything other than flawless operation.

I'm sure people with issues generally do not clean install or import a backup riddled with problems onto their new shiny OS then wonder why it's borked.

Tried that with 13.1.2. Did not change things, and apps with only local data storage lost years of data. Restored from the backup I made immediately prior; no change. A clean installation is not a panacea.

 

[PlainviewX]

People have problems with mail every single year. My point was the clean install. I always clean install my devices & Macs with a major new update and I never ever experience anything other than flawless operation.

I'm sure people with issues generally do not clean install or import a backup riddled with problems onto their new shiny OS then wonder why it's borked.

I never had a problem with Apple's mail app. It all started with iOS13.

 

[Donnation]

Well, let’s face facts. Do you know what is meant by the word “fact”? Let’s talk about facts:

1. I bought an iPhone. Being that I willingly bought the phone, I’m mature enough to realize that it is my fault if anything happens to the phone.

2. I chose to manually upgrade so I am responsible for the buggy update being on my iPhone. Being that I willingly installed the update, I am mature enough to know that I am at fault if the phone no longer operates.

3. The operating systems on my Apple devices are owned by Apple, not by me, and I am mature enough to know that Apple can do what they want with their own property. Do you not understand that the operating system does not belong to the user? Apple retains ownership of the OS, it’s right there in the License Agreement that you have to click through prior to setting up the phone. It’s in the first paragraph. Don’t blame Apple for your failure to do proper research.

Apple didn’t force anything on me, all of the problems I’m facing are of my own doing and I can’t really blame anyone but myself. This is known as being mature.. accepting responsibility for my own actions.. placing the blame where it truly belongs. Getting angry at Apple over all of this is a sign of immaturity.. a way of refusing to accept responsibility for one’s own actions. Throwing a tantrum serves no purpose other than to waste resources.. resources like these forums.

Some of you folks really need to learn to be mature, accept responsibility for your actions and avoid deflecting blame. Unless Apple forced you to buy an Apple device, or forced you to update said device, you have no valid reason to blame Apple for these update problems.

Lol are you seriously saying that we should have known better than to buy Apples flagship devices because we should have known that the software was going to suck? And since Apple owns the software it can be as buggy or as half-baked as they choose it to be?

This is the take of all takes.

 

[revmacian]

Lol are you seriously saying that we should have known better than to buy Apples flagship devices because we should have known that the software was going to suck? And since Apple owns the software it can be as buggy or as half-baked as they choose it to be?

This is the take of all takes.

No, this is your interpretation of what I said. It also shows how your personal biases can affect your interpretation.

 

[citysnaps]

I also wonder if the term “mess” is being over-exaggerated here.

That's a MR tradition. Gotta have that aggrandized faux outrage to feel good for the next 15 minutes.

 

[newellj]

Lol are you seriously saying that we should have known better than to buy Apples flagship devices because we should have known that the software was going to suck? And since Apple owns the software it can be as buggy or as half-baked as they choose it to be?

This is the take of all takes.

I do think it's very fair to hold Apple to a high standard here. They manufacture ALL of the hardware on the iOS/iPadOS platform. They are the sole developer of iOS/iPadOS. They maintain a tight grip on the App Store and app developers (although what most of us are talking about is native apps!).

 

[Elitegate]

Many would certainly say their experience was quite different with that, at the very least when it came to iOS 11 (out of the versions that were mentioned).

For a beta they were all definitely usable on a daily driver iPhone... and yes i know iOS 11 wasn't the most stable release.

 

[C DM]

For a beta they were all definitely usable on a daily driver iPhone... and yes i know iOS 11 wasn't the most stable release.

I’m sure plenty had that type of experience with iOS 11, just as plenty also had a similar experience with iOS 13.

 

[Randalpaul]

Is anyone still having problems seeing their photos in iMessage. If I scroll up and on all other devices my pictures, statements, screenshots and links are available. If I tap "I" info there are only the photos available post restore. I have done 8 restores and one phone trade in. I have 50,000 pictures in Photos that I download to full images, and it took 3 full days to download them on high speed 220 download speed. Waiting for engineering but its been 3 weeks and 3 updates. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I like having that history readily accessible in messages...

 

[WannaGoMac]

People have problems with mail every single year. My point was the clean install. I always clean install my devices & Macs with a major new update and I never ever experience anything other than flawless operation.

I'm sure people with issues generally do not clean install or import a backup riddled with problems onto their new shiny OS then wonder why it's borked.

What do you mean by a clean install? Do you mean clean like you don’t restore all your photos and messages etc. Because normally with a clean install the need to wipe the slate clean and then how do you get messages back?